Senate health care bill: The horror of being forced to work with the enemy

[Twilight Hue]

The parties aren't the same. Not even close. Only 1 party thinks corporations are people. Only 1 party thinks unlimited anonymous donations for elections are good. Only 1 party hates unions and wage increases. Only 1 party is against regulations hurting bottom lines. You see, when republicans talk they're not speaking for the middle class. Only 1 party denies climate change for profit reasons. It goes on and on.

Republicans are corporate policy
Democrats are middle class policy

They never tell you that.

It's clear your not from New York.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Republicans are corporate policy
Democrats are middle class policy

Is that why the Dems sent a corporate friendly candidate instead of the pro-middle class socialist candidate?

 

[tytlyf]

Yes. If Dems are in control the GOP digs in and says no. If GOP is in control the dems dig in and say no. Regardless if the other side has a good idea or not.

I disagree, it's the GOP that is currently still saying no..and they're in control. Nothing to do with democrats.

Its about both the Dems and the GOP. They are bot supposed to be working for our best interests.

I disagree, just because the republican party is a mess between the establishment and teaparty, doesn't mean democrats need to be blamed for that. Trump was elected to drain the GOP establishment swamp. He hasn't done that, he's added to it and to his team.

The whole country has to suffer for the decisions of the conservative base because their elected GOP officials don't listen to them. They need to realize that the GOP uses them for their vote, nothing else. And GOP media fools them into supporting corporate policies over policies that would help them.

The democratic party does work for our best interests, not sure why you would say otherwise.

 

[tytlyf]

Is that why the Dems sent a corporate friendly candidate instead of the pro-middle class socialist candidate?

Most politicians are corporate friendly. What depends is the agenda behind the corporations and reasons why they need to lobby congress.
Only 1 party is mostly corporate agenda versus the other party which tries to put forth middle class policies.

You don't see democratic corporations like Facebook, Google, etc lying to the public about climate change. You don't see those corporations turning to greed.

One side is all about greed, the other side is a more humanistic approach.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I hear that a lot as well. Unfortunately, people have forgotten it's much easier than that and they talk about wanting change but they never do anything meaningful to actually go about getting it. All it takes is just one good "vote third party" grassroots movement, and that alone could obliterate the two-party grid lock on Capitol Hill if neither party is left with a majority.

Party dissolution isn't impossible, I agree.

It's already happened multiple times in our history. The problem is seeing inclusive "extensions" of already existing parties in guise of being new ones such as the tea party, green party etc. I've thought about independent party, but it seems like moderate (balanced) party lines have trouble gaining a foothold which is worrisome.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You don't see democratic corporations like Facebook, Google, etc lying to the public about climate change. You don't see those corporations turning to greed.

Is that why those companies treat you as another dollar so they can harvest and sell your data? A corporation doesn't have to be a pledged card carrying member of ALEC to be greedy and direct politicians of both parties towards ends that will suit their bottom dollars. If you truly think Google doesn't turn to greed, you should go to the Way Back Machine and look over their terms of use and privacy policy over the years. It screams greed.

 

[David1967]

it seems like moderate (balanced) party lines have trouble gaining a foothold which is worrisome.

Yes that is worrisome. Most of the people I know are pretty much moderate, but the ones on the far right or far left tend to make the most noise. I would like to see our govt. go in a more middle way.

 

[tytlyf]

Is that why those companies treat you as another dollar so they can harvest and sell your data? A corporation doesn't have to be a pledged card carrying member of ALEC to be greedy and direct politicians of both parties towards ends that will suit their bottom dollars. If you truly think Google doesn't turn to greed, you should go to the Way Back Machine and look over their terms of use and privacy policy over the years. It screams greed.

Not the kind of greed Big Oil, Big Pharma, MIC have. These are the powerhouses in DC. Like I said, the corporations aren't comparable.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not the kind of greed Big Oil, Big Pharma, MIC have. These are the powerhouses in DC. Like I said, the corporations aren't comparable.

Erosion of privacy is a major issue. Corporations like Google and Facebook are not worth defending as examples of a good corporation that isn't driven by greed, and they certainly care about you as nothing more than a dollar sign. No, they aren't denying global warming, but they feel entitled to know what you are doing and sell that information for marketing.

 

[tytlyf]

Erosion of privacy is a major issue. Corporations like Google and Facebook are not worth defending as examples of a good corporation that isn't driven by greed, and they certainly care about you as nothing more than a dollar sign. No, they aren't denying global warming, but they feel entitled to know what you are doing and sell that information for marketing.

So you think that's as bad as lying to the public about a problem that will effect every single person on earth? For greed reasons? Killing people, polluted water and air. You can't compare the 2 parties, I don't give a darn what GOP media says about anything.

One side puts greed above human life.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't give a darn what GOP media says about anything.

Where did I bring in GOP media? You think because I say Google and Facebook are greedy **** companies it must have come from some GOP source?

You can't compare the 2 parties

Here is the comparison; Democrat or Republican, they bow before money and you are nothing to them. Neither party cares about you or the middle class. That should have been apparently clear when the Dems screwed over Bernie, their own party, America, and the world, all to run a very corporate friendly same-oh-same-oh rather than someone who actually does have the middle class in mind.

 

[idav]

Erosion of privacy is a major issue. Corporations like Google and Facebook are not worth defending as examples of a good corporation that isn't driven by greed, and they certainly care about you as nothing more than a dollar sign. No, they aren't denying global warming, but they feel entitled to know what you are doing and sell that information for marketing.

Let's not confuse making money with evil. Making money in itself isn't evil but doing so at the detriment of common folk is. I agree privacy is an issue but I dont care about it as much as having a planet.

 

[David1967]

Where did I bring in GOP media? You think because I say Google and Facebook are greedy **** companies it must have come from some GOP source?

Here is the comparison; Democrat or Republican, they bow before money and you are nothing to them. Neither party cares about you or the middle class. That should have been apparently clear when the Dems screwed over Bernie, their own party, America, and the world, all to run a very corporate friendly same-oh-same-oh rather than someone who actually does have the middle class in mind.

You are correct.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Let's not confuse making money with evil. Making money in itself isn't evil but doing so at the detriment of common folk is. I agree privacy is an issue but I dont care about it as much as having a planet.

I'm not confusing this two. I am pointing out that companies like Google and Facebook are not model corporate citizens, nor do they have their user's interests in mind. Having a healthy planet should take top priority, but a corporation doesn't have to stand with GOP issues and sides to be doing bad business and stand for things most people do not. Case in point, Google's terms of service that went from protecting your privacy to collecting it and selling it off.

 

[idav]

I'm not confusing this two. I am pointing out that companies like Google and Facebook are not model corporate citizens, nor do they have their user's interests in mind. Having a healthy planet should take top priority, but a corporation doesn't have to stand with GOP issues and sides to be doing bad business and stand for things most people do not. Case in point, Google's terms of service that went from protecting your privacy to collecting it and selling it off.

Fair enough.