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Services

xkatz

Well-Known Member
I forget whether or not I already posted a thread like this but oh well... :p

One of my major problems with Judaism is services. I attend a Conservative synagogue and I find shabbat services (which is the kind of service I primarily attend) very lack-luster and not engaging on an emotional or spiritual level. I just feel I cannot connect. So, me and my dad are going every Shabbat or so checking out synagogues. This Shabbat, I went to a different one. It was slightly better, but it still didn't give me that feeling I am looking for.

What should I do?
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
I do like the Reform services I attend, the Cantor plays a guitar and really gets everyone in a joyful mood! Not attended any Conservative services, but the ones I remember from the Orthodox shul could be kinda boring too, if the Torah reading was boring. But then, I was a kid...
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
I forget whether or not I already posted a thread like this but oh well... :p

One of my major problems with Judaism is services. I attend a Conservative synagogue and I find shabbat services (which is the kind of service I primarily attend) very lack-luster and not engaging on an emotional or spiritual level. I just feel I cannot connect. So, me and my dad are going every Shabbat or so checking out synagogues. This Shabbat, I went to a different one. It was slightly better, but it still didn't give me that feeling I am looking for.

What should I do?

If I can figure this question out for myself, I'll tell you, too....

I have to be honest: I have been having a very hard time with shul services for quite a while. In my experience, it's nearly impossible to find places outside the Orthodox world where there is real kavanah (focus/intention), ruach (spirit), the rabbi doesn't talk your head off, there's no professional chazan (cantor) and things are done halakhically correctly, and a full Torah reading is read. Conservative services too often tend to be dull, unengaging, with too many pauses for the rabbi to sermonize (never mind that the actual sermon tends to be intolerably long), and not enough of the Torah is read (I don't hold with the triennial reading cyle), plus there are endless announcements and so forth at the end. And Reform services are so much worse: I hate instruments in shul, especially since the Reform aesthetic seems to be to make services sound like a summer camp sing-along. They cut the liturgy to shreds, and the rabbi spends most of the time telling you what you'd be saying if you were actually praying right now, and they read nearly no Torah at all.

But the problem with the Orthodox services is, even if you can find a minyan without a chazan, that's got good kavanah and ruach, they will inevitably have a mechitzah (the segregation barrier between men and women), which I loathe, and will just refuse to be egalitarian at all. I found one Orthdox synagogue here in LA where they had good kavanah and ruach, and the cantor wasn't too annoying, and there was no mechitzah (though they still weren't egalitarian), but they were Sefardi. There's nothing wrong with Sefardi- I love their culture and their music and their liturgy. But personally, I am an Ashkenazi, and I like to pray Ashkenazi style. The only Orthodox shul I've ever found that seemed to have it all was in Cleveland, Ohio; and that's a little too far to go every week....

To tell the truth, I usually go to shul services only about once or twice a month. The rest of the time, I pray at home, where there may not be a minyan, but everything's always done the way I like....

I wish I knew what to do about this issue. The truth is that liberal Jews need a lot of education to get more in touch with the liturgy and the texts. And most Jews, liberal and Orthodox both, need some teaching about how to spiritually connect to prayer better, and how to get into a rhythm of good kavanah and good ruach. But I don't necessarily know how that kind of teaching is going to get done, if it even will...

All I can tell you is, you're not alone with this problem. The best solution I've been able to come up with is, find someplace you don't mind going some of the time. And learn how to pray at home to your own satisfaction.
 

xkatz

Well-Known Member
And learn how to pray at home to your own satisfaction.

This I need to learn. Fortunately I got a Koren Siddur w/ commentary by Rabbi Sacks so I am trying to learn how to pray. But then it's a matter of relearning Hebrew :p :D

Zardoz,
As a Messianic Jew, I would imagine you attend a Messianic synagogue. What are they like?
 

Whoitbe

Member
Depending where you live, Chabad services can be good. If you want something great, go to a carlebach synagogue. Especially for maariv/kabbalat shabbat. Beautiful services. Lots of singing. Where do you live? I'm in Jerusalem so there's constantly minyans of all kinds.
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
..Zardoz,
As a Messianic Jew, I would imagine you attend a Messianic synagogue. What are they like?

I attend a Reform Temple, haven't been in a Messianic one for near 20 years now. Inside political struggle is why I left, let's just leave it at that here. The services were a direct copy of Reform, only with a third reading from the NT and maybe some ending songs that came from church hymns. (don't know as I wouldn't sing them since I didn't know them)
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
My congregation is about 12km away which is around 30 minutes away. And that is the nearest synagogue. Our numbers are around 600 people and most people dont really take part in any activities.
The other nearest is 30km and an hour away. Though it would be a hassle to attend their services. Its in the middle of a big city and thats not really neat.


So yeah my options are limited. ;)
 

Dena

Active Member
Ah, I see. My Congregation is 20-30 minutes away (driving). But within that range I have many options.
 

xkatz

Well-Known Member
Ah, I see. My Congregation is 20-30 minutes away (driving). But within that range I have many options.

Yeah my situation is somewhat similar. I wish there was an egiltarian Orthodox synagogue somewhere nearby (if those even exist).
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
... I wish there was an egiltarian Orthodox synagogue somewhere nearby (if those even exist).

Look for Traditional Judaism congregations. They are few and far between, but I like them.
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
How do you know them from other Orthodox shuls?

I visited only one, but most striking thing was... no mechitza!

Now, the single men & women did tend to sit in separate areas, but it was nice to see that families could sit together if they wanted to. The service seemed most ordinary Orthodox, but I understand they consider themselves somewhere between Orthodox and Conservative.
 

Dena

Active Member
I visited only one, but most striking thing was... no mechitza!

Oh yeah, I forgot! We don't have one here. I looked around. We do have one synagogue that seems Modern Orthodox but I've been told the Rabbi is not MO in the least. I would really like to be able to visit Orthodox shuls but being they don't consider my conversion process valid I feel like I shouldn't (because I don't want to upset anyone).
 

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
...I would really like to be able to visit Orthodox shuls but being they don't consider my conversion process valid I feel like I shouldn't (because I don't want to upset anyone).
I'm sure you've been told this but... your conversion is nobody's business but your own. Unless you're preparing to marry or adopt or any other such bond with a member of that shul, nobody has a right to ask you anything. In fact, even if they suspect you're a Ger it's totally against halacha to ask you, or even hint at this, lest they shame or otherwise embarrass you. There are 'certain people' for whom a person takes their life literally in their hand by offending. These 'certain people' are the Orphan, the Widow, and the Ger. Since they are alone and are so vulnerable, G-d is their protector, and best not provoke G-d by mistreating them!
 
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