Sex/Gender

[Valjean]

Not quite sure what you are saying here; are you agreeing with me that the fact that there are differences between biological males, doesn't mean they aren't all males? Or am I misunderstanding you.

There are anatomical males, females, and intersex. There is a whole range of XY, genetic variation, and there is a whole spectrum of gender identity.

 

[Kfox]

Not just mammals. Homosexuality appears common in birds, as well.

Homosexuality is not the topic of this conversation

Abnormality? Define, please. Is it a statistical thing? Are blond hair, green eyes or left handedness abnormal?

Deformity.

 

[Kfox]

There are anatomical males, females, and intersex. There is a whole range of XY, genetic variation, and there is a whole spectrum of gender identity.

Can you give examples of the spectrum when it comes to gender identity?

 

[We Never Know]

Can you give examples of the spectrum when it comes to gender identity?

Well there is this...Besides male and female, there are 72 other genders

All 72 genders list​

How Many Genders Are There? All 72 Genders List

How many genders are there? Besides male and female, here is a list of all 72 other gender identities that a person may belong to. How can I help my child understand gender identity?

www.medicinenet.com

 

[Valjean]

Of course! But lipstick and a wig does not make you a woman.

Your point? "Woman" is ambiguous. What are you saying?

I don’t think there is such a thing as “feeling like a male”.

Granted, it does seem strange, but a Google search will reveal numerous such examples.

Traditional (sexist) roles have all been eliminated. If a biological female wants to be a soldier, that doesn’t mean she is a male.

Why do they need my accommodation to be happy? Why is it so important to them that I confirm what they want to believe about themselves?

Because social accommodation can be either acceptance, opprobrium or condemnation. Your accommodation can be a kindness or a condemnation.
Should you not treat others as you would be treated, yourself?

So what did you mean when you said “to have male interests, and a sexual attraction to females”? And what are “male interests”? Is there such a thing anymore? If so, give examples.

Can you give examples of the spectrum when it comes to gender identity?

 

[Secret Chief]

Your point? "Woman" is ambiguous. What are you saying?

Granted, it does seem strange, but a Google search will reveal numerous such examples.

Because social accommodation can be either acceptance, opprobrium or condemnation. Your accommodation can be a kindness or a condemnation.
Should you not treat others as you would be treated, yourself?

Second video "unavailable"

 

[Kfox]

Well there is this...Besides male and female, there are 72 other genders

All 72 genders list​

How Many Genders Are There? All 72 Genders List

How many genders are there? Besides male and female, here is a list of all 72 other gender identities that a person may belong to. How can I help my child understand gender identity?

www.medicinenet.com

What does this have to do with a spectrum?

 

[Secret Chief]

What does this have to do with a spectrum?

I could be wrong but the article says "It has emerged as a continuum or spectrum"

Rather like the electromagnetic spectrum has labels such as infrared, ultraviolet and gamma rays.

 

[Kenny]

Not just mammals. Homosexuality appears common in birds, as well.
Abnormality? Define, please. Is it a statistical thing? Are blond hair, green eyes or left handedness abnormal?

Never understood that thought pattern. Makes me think that since the black widow kills the husband after mating means that it’s ok if humans do it to? Or if some lions eat their young, we should have babies for supper? If it can be found in animal-land - it must be OK?

 

[Callisto]

Never understood that thought pattern. Makes me think that since the black widow kills the husband after mating means that it’s ok if humans do it to? Or if some lions eat their young, we should have babies for supper? If it can be found in animal-land - it must be OK?

If you understand the why for behaviors species do, it would be understandable to you. Comparing these is apples to oranges.

 

[Kfox]

Your point? "Woman" is ambiguous. What are you saying?

I don’t agree “woman” is ambiguous; if I did, much of what you are saying would probably make sense to me.

Because social accommodation can be either acceptance, opprobrium or condemnation. Your accommodation can be a kindness or a condemnation.
Should you not treat others as you would be treated, yourself?

If social accommodation and agreement is that important to you, you might wanna do things that comply with what your society agrees with; IOW march in lockstep with the powers that be. Because if you blaze your own path, do your own thing, do what you feel is right; and these things are outside of what is considered acceptable by society, society will not accommodate or agree with you regardless of if your actions are legal or illegal.

As far as the videos, I was hoping to hear your views because I don’t have time to look at a complete documentary, but I did look at a bit of it and it seems these kids are under the impression if you like playing with dolls, you are a girl rather than a boy that just likes to play with dolls. IMO this kid needs to be taught how to be comfortable in his own body; that even though he is a boy, you don’t have to play with trucks, you can play with dolls if you want to. The end result of what he is being taught results in this bigoted idea that women should stay at home and take care of the children, should not be construction workers, soldiers, or police officers; and men should not stay at home raising kids, but become construction workers, soldiers and Police officers. These are the type of bigoted gender roles I was talking about previously and I feel American society has done just about everything necessary to eliminate them. IMO we do children no favors by trying to bring them back.

 

[We Never Know]

What does this have to do with a spectrum?

Gee I don't know...

Lets look at what gender spectrum refers to and see if you can figure it out...

“The Gender Spectrum” refers to the idea that there are many gender identities other than identifying as a man or a woman."

Beyond the Binary—The Gender Spectrum - The MIT Post

The Gender Spectrum is the understanding that gender is not binary, rather it is a spectrum of emotional and biological traits, that exist along a continuum. Transgender individuals have been victims of societal oppression and ignorance, due to negligence, discrimination and most importantly...

themitpost.com

 

[Secret Chief]

Never understood that thought pattern. Makes me think that since the black widow kills the husband after mating means that it’s ok if humans do it to? Or if some lions eat their young, we should have babies for supper? If it can be found in animal-land - it must be OK?

I like your thinking. Birds can fly so I'm going to jump off a tall building and fly. If one genus can do something it must be ok for them all. Did you go to high school?

 

[Kenny]

If you understand the why for behaviors species do, it would be understandable to you. Comparing these is apples to oranges.

That’s what I thought… comparing animal kingdom with humankind is apples and oranges.

 

[Kenny]

I like your thinking. Birds can fly so I'm going to jump off a tall building and fly. If one genus can do something it must be ok for them all. Did you go to high school?

Exactly! That was my point. Thus the comparisons, as was stated, seems odd.

 

[Secret Chief]

Exactly! That was my point. Thus the comparisons, as was stated, seems odd.

The point was exactly not that.

 

[Secret Chief]

That’s what I thought… comparing animal kingdom with humankind is apples and oranges.

Humans are animals, but get this - there are differences and similarities between the species. Homosexuality is not related to eating behaviours.

 

[Kenny]

The point was exactly not that.

Yet it was very applicable

 

[We Never Know]

Not just mammals. Homosexuality appears common in birds, as well.
Abnormality? Define, please. Is it a statistical thing? Are blond hair, green eyes or left handedness abnormal?

"...a man can be a woman, and a woman a man?" This is the same binary taxonomy that's been found to be wrong, no?

"Not just mammals. Homosexuality appears common in birds, as well."

Homosexual behavior that is.
A dog humps your leg, a ball, etc because of arousal or excitement.

Besides humans what others species actually have homosexual sex?

 

[Kenny]

Humans are animals, but get this - there are differences and similarities between the species. Homosexuality is not related to eating behaviours.

But we do have cannibals. Has nothing to do with eating habits. It must be OK because animals do it.