Sex Object Test

[Revoltingest]

A man in undies, advertising undies, or a man advertising fragrance will be showing skin, and it might help if he looked like men want to look.
I want a naked hunk hanging over the bonnet of a big truck.......,.. with the slogan 'Buy a Big-Task Truck! They sure can pull!

For your viewing pleasure, here's Mariusz Pudzianowski
pulling a truck during a World's Strongest Man competition.

Anyway, I say all this obsession over objectification is a waste of time.
Women's lot is improving in spite of proliferating porn & objectifying ads.

 

[Alceste]

Or this...

This Is What Happens When Men Replace Women In Motorcycle Ads | MTL Blog

 

[Revoltingest]

OK, Badger....here's Mariusz hawking tractor tires (I presume).....

This delicate flower is about 6'1", 313 pounds.
He enjoys the beach, long walks in moonlight, & wants world peace.
.

 

[Alceste]

For your viewing pleasure, here's Mariusz Pudzianowski
pulling a truck during a World's Strongest Man competition.

Anyway, I say all this obsession over objectification is a waste of time.
Women's lot is improving in spite of proliferating porn & objectifying ads.

Given that one in five north American women are sexually assaulted by men at some point, I believe the ubiquitous depiction of women as passive objects for male sexual gratification in our culture is worth both contemplating and discussing. There may or may not be a connection there, but since it is possible, it would be philosophically irresponsible to dismiss it out of hand.

 

[freethinker44]

OK, Badger....here's Mariusz hawking tractor tires (I presume).....

This delicate flower is about 6'1", 313 pounds.
He enjoys the beach, long walks in moonlight, & wants world peace.
.

Geez, stop objectifying me.

 

[Revoltingest]

Given that one in five north American women are sexually assaulted by men at some point, I believe the ubiquitous depiction of women as passive objects for male sexual gratification in our culture is worth both contemplating and discussing. There may or may not be a connection there, but since it is possible, it would be philosophically irresponsible to dismiss it out of hand.

Of course, you may believe & discuss whatever you want.

 

[Alceste]

Of course, you may believe & discuss whatever you want.

Yes, and you are still here, so I can only assume that you find this topic more interesting than you are willing to let on.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, and you are still here, so I can only assume that you find this topic more interesting than you are willing to let on.

As we covered before, I find the pushing of a standard body image to be harmful.
While not the same as objectification, it's relevant enuf.

 

[Alceste]

As we covered before, I find the pushing of a standard body image to be harmful.
While not the same as objectification, it's relevant enuf.

I agree. We need to see more normal looking people in the media. The UK is so much better at this than North America...

 

[Revoltingest]

Here is an example of objectification, but with a model of average appearance.

 

[Alceste]

Here is an example of objectification, but with a model of average appearance.

I would totally buy that car.

 

[oldbadger]

Anyway, I say all this obsession over objectification is a waste of time.
Women's lot is improving in spite of proliferating porn & objectifying ads.

OMG!! Michigan is too close to Canada for you to dare say that.
She's gonna getya..... :run:

 

[oldbadger]

Given that one in five north American women are sexually assaulted by men at some point, I believe the ubiquitous depiction of women as passive objects for male sexual gratification in our culture is worth both contemplating and discussing. There may or may not be a connection there, but since it is possible, it would be philosophically irresponsible to dismiss it out of hand.

........ I told Revolting....... I told 'im........ :yes:

 

[oldbadger]

If I were wearing a bikini top in a photo where I'm chopping wood, mowing the lawn, weeding, lounging around the house, drinking wine or reading a book (the stuff I do), would you agree that the message conveyed by the picture would not be "ready and waiting for immediate penetration"? Something more like "must be hot outside", am I right?
It's not the clothes. It's the pose. This is pretty much what I wear to work, but I don't lounge around in this pose. .

That's what I wear..... Jeans and T-shirt. Don't be too hard on poses....... Male models do use them as well.

As to whether "women" (again, billions of people - generalization is silly) were jealous of Marilyn Monroe, I sincerely doubt it. I have never heard a woman say so. The persona she put out was shallow and stupid - very few of us envy stupidity, superficiality and helplessness in other women...

I don't doubt that the success, glamour, wealth, popularity and adoration caught the attention of millions of women.

I don't know where you'd get the idea that feminists would distance themselves from powerful women. We ARE powerful women, and we like to work together, share our ideas, help one another succeed and celebrate each other's successes. Yes, there are some women who resent other women for success, just as there are men who resent other men for the same reason. As a general rule, though, men tend to be more competitive with one another, I think. .

No.......
1. The majority of feminist women are reported as being 'left', 'socialist' etc, and the right-wing dominant does not seem to get celebrated by them.
2. No....... you are NOT powerful women. No more powerful than us men. The top power is wealth, and the wealth is in the top few %. We need to unite as people in democracy to have any power.
3. No...... Women are equally as competitive, and can be as ruthless, unscrupulous and dominating as men. It's all about people.

I don't know how the concept of "ruthless female ad execs" entered into the equation. Can you explain why the adjective "ruthless" has suddenly appeared? If you don't mind, I'll answer as if that qualifier had not been introduced, since it confuses the issue unnecessarily. .

I wrote it........... It means that I believe that wqhen women reach a balance of control in advertising, etc that they are going to be as determined to sell, achieve and win as any man..... so you may find that a female lead media doesn't solve so many probs as you thought. And you may find yourself repeating the 'She don't count 'cos....' line again and again.

The obvious consequence of a more egalitarian gender distribution in advertising is that we would see more ads depicting women as we see ourselves, and fewer ads depicting women as seen by men. The idea that it would result in equal or greater sexual objectification of women is simply absurd.

I don't believe this. People can be greedy, ruthless and determined, and if history has not already shown this, I believe that it will be shown as the gender balance comes to fruition.

 

[Revoltingest]

OMG!! Michigan is too close to Canada for you to dare say that.
She's gonna getya..... :run:

I've long survived the slings & arrows of outraged feminists.
(They let me live because I'm more pro-choice than they are.)

 

[oldbadger]

I've long survived the slings & arrows of outraged feminists.
(They let me live because I'm more pro-choice than they are.)

Slings and arrows........... !
Didn't they write gibberish, once upon time?

Why couldn't they have writ 'stones and arrows'?
or.......... 'slings and bows'?

Am I getting to read like a certain well known pedantic member?

 

[Revoltingest]

Slings and arrows........... !
Didn't they write gibberish, once upon time?

Why couldn't they have writ 'stones and arrows'?
or.......... 'slings and bows'?

Am I getting to read like a certain well known pedantic member?

Mayhaps since a sling could hurl any kind of missile, it shouldn't be limited to
stones, & thus the delivery means itself was included in fortune's hardships, eh?
Are you channelling LegionOompaLoompa?

 

[Brickjectivity]

OK, Badger....here's Mariusz hawking tractor tires (I presume).....

This delicate flower is about 6'1", 313 pounds.
He enjoys the beach, long walks in moonlight, & wants world peace.
.

He only looks big because he's so short.

 

[Revoltingest]

6'1" is above average height.
But you're an anti-shortite!

 

[Alceste]

That's what I wear..... Jeans and T-shirt. Don't be too hard on poses....... Male models do use them as well.


I don't doubt that the success, glamour, wealth, popularity and adoration caught the attention of millions of women.


No.......
1. The majority of feminist women are reported as being 'left', 'socialist' etc, and the right-wing dominant does not seem to get celebrated by them.
2. No....... you are NOT powerful women. No more powerful than us men. The top power is wealth, and the wealth is in the top few %. We need to unite as people in democracy to have any power.
3. No...... Women are equally as competitive, and can be as ruthless, unscrupulous and dominating as men. It's all about people.


I wrote it........... It means that I believe that wqhen women reach a balance of control in advertising, etc that they are going to be as determined to sell, achieve and win as any man..... so you may find that a female lead media doesn't solve so many probs as you thought. And you may find yourself repeating the 'She don't count 'cos....' line again and again.


I don't believe this. People can be greedy, ruthless and determined, and if history has not already shown this, I believe that it will be shown as the gender balance comes to fruition.

Paragraph 1: The existence of some male models in sexualized poses doesn't negate the claim that we see women in these poses more often, and fewer pictures of women in any other kind of pose.

Paragraph 2: I reiterate that if Marilyn Monroe has or had a substantial female fan base, I've never heard of it, and never heard a woman speak of her with anything close to admiration or envy. Pity is common, though. The woman was a royal mess, and her psychological issues with low self esteem and high self objectification drove her to an early grave, to which she was regrettably unable to transport any of her wealth or fame, and in which even her beauty soon abandoned her.

Paragraph 3: there are more ways to measure power than money or political influence, although women now have quite a lot more of both than any previous era of western history, thanks to feminism. The foundation of all meaningful power is the refusal to accept subjugation, IMO, and baby we've got that in spades.

Paragraph 4 and beyond: I don't attribute the prevalence of men and the retarded depiction of women in advertising to male ruthlessness or ambition. IMO, the culprits are culture, stupidity, a lack of self criticism and a lack of imagination. The men of this culture believe that sexualizing women is win-win. They think men want to possess the model and women want to BE the model. To them, it's been repeated so often, right since the dawn of propaganda, it's a self-evident truth that doesn't need any further affirmation. But since there are no female voices in this echo chamber of male fantasy, they don't realize that we genuinely don't want to be sex objects for male pleasure. They've simply never tried anything else, and we keep on buying stuff, cuz we like stuff. We buy it DESPITE the retarded ads, not because of them.

The few female creative directors in advertising understand that, being women themselves, and the content they produce does not tend to reflect that particular absurd trope nearly as often. I admit, I'm short on examples, but maybe I'll look it up for you later.