I speak about the gender bias present in decision-making power.
Gender bias is real. But where we seem to disagree is about
responsibility, culpability, & how best to discuss things.
If people are offended by gendered terms, assigned due to the prevalence of the gendered differential in representation in various industries, then that gender would do better to wonder why exactly they're offended...rather than say, "Hey you! I don't like being characterized as being the dominant force. That's offensive. And you're offensive and actually the sexist one here bringing up gendered terms in the first place. Why can't we all just get along and not bring up anything mentioning my manhood?"
That is your perspective. Mine is that I see purple thread discussions displaying
insensitivity & intolerance towards other perspectives, a pervasive dwelling on
victimhood, exaggeration, & gender bias laden terminology & arguments.
Can both perspectives have merit? I say yes.
But discussing it has gotten me dismissed as "misogynist" in these forums (not by you).
I suggest being offended by "man" terms is symptomatic of taking feminist commentary as "man-hating"....it isn't.
Nah, it's clear that most feminists aren't man haters. I don't judge a whole movement
by the traits of fringe types. Instead, I recognize more diversity among feminists
than do even many feminists do. But I do notice that many feminists here will
judge non-feminists by what they find offensive elsewhere, eg, reddit. Being a
non-feminist does not mean I hate women. It means only that I do not identify
with that label. And we are all individuals who shouldn't have the opinions of
others ascribed to them.
It's not an indictment. It's not saying that problems are created by men. It's acknowledging the gender and sex differential in the status quo. But I also suggest that taking such terminology personally is also symptomatic about the person offended seeing everything as all about them in the first place.
The male centric terminology doesn't suggest differential power.
We'll have to agree to disagree about whether it reflects attitudes of those using it.
LOL no victimization here. I'm just playing the same game. Is there a problem with playing the game of sarcasm? I love doing it.
Good. But your brand makes you hard for me to read, so I'll have trouble responding.
Do you deny that you refuse to educate yourself?
Yes. It bespeaks hubris to make claims without knowing or even asking.
And just in case it comes up....I refuse to be quizzed about it.
I'll extend you the same courtesy regarding your expertise.
Do you believe you don't need to educate yourself about feminism, and think you get enough of what you need to know in order to repeatedly critique it (including making an entire thread about why you reject feminism as a whole)?
I do believe that I read more carefully than you do. For example, my thread was not
remotely about rejecting "feminism as a whole". It was that kind of mischievous
misrepresentation which blew up the thread & got it locked. Also, extensive
reading is sometimes naught but confirmation of already held perspectives & beliefs.
If you're that bold to making an entire thread topic about why you personally don't agree with feminism, be willing to take the counter-arguments about your personal reasons for not educating yourself on the history, the sociological and economic commentary, and the various intersectionality issues that concern the bulk of the movement. Reducing the content down to the various buzz words that you find offensive and don't see personally in your own life, and then suggesting you don't need to educate yourself because you know enough already, and then taking it personally when I or someone else calls out your motives as a willful ignorance on the topic?
If you want to discuss that thread, & base criticism on it, then you should be more
familiar with it than you are, & be careful to read it rigorously. Then I'll gladly
address the specifics.
Come on. You can take bold criticism if you make such bold sweeping claims without any references outside your own bubble.
I'm glad to address criticism which I find sound, but much of what I see is overly
general, mere insult, & based upon false inferences. This is casting a wide net,
but you've given me no specifics to address.
Is it any more condescending than you lumping feminists together as irrational and illogical who don't have a full grasp of how men are victimized as much if not more? And that feminists are mostly a group of people who like the culture of victimhood?
I speak of what I observe, just as you do. I try to use less than inflammatory language,
but fail at times. And I'm not as sweeping in my objections to some elements of
feminists culture as you claim. I recognize great diversity in the movement.
I'm not the exceptional woman. I have my views, and I offer them here and elsewhere regarding feminist topics. The problem is that I see so many other feminists being just as exceptional, and sadly you don't.
I don't understand your purpose in saying this.
But you misunderstand what I see.
Is there a reason you post and perpetuate a stereotype, then?
Your question has a false premise.
I'm in! I enjoy our conversations, as usual. :yes:
I wonder at times. From your posts, one would think I'm a stereotypical angry
uneducated privileged anti-feminist with meritless observations & opinions.
I wouldn't enjoy talking with such a lout, & would usually limit my response to "woof".
Hey, I also have "****" and "whore" pride, as well. It's all good, gramps. :highfive:
Alas, we are not ready to use "****" & "whore" as terms of endearment without some
noses being put out of joint, & suffering the poof fairy's deletions & sanctions.
Note:
I'm under the weather, so if it seems I'm losing track of this thread, that's one of my excuses.
