Sex strike

[ChristineM]

Those were my precise words, yes.

I did say: "My gripe is that you haven't provided an actual refutation to what you quoted in your post #160."

Take note that I have NOT said: My gripe is that you haven't provided an actual refutation to your post #160.

Now, what did you quote in your post #160 ? Part of post #154. Check post #160 again now and notice there is a quote to someone else's post in there. I am saying you didn't refute that.

And i ask for the last time, why should i refute what i posted, you dont like it then you refute it

 

[Koldo]

And i ask for the last time, why should i refute what i posted, you dont like it then you refute it

Like I have explained already, I am not asking you to refute what you posted. I am asking you to refute what you quoted because the post where you intended to refute it did not. Do you understand the difference ?

 

[ChristineM]

Like I have explained already, I am not asking you to refute what you posted. I am asking you to refute what you quoted because the post where you intended to refute it did not. Do you understand the difference ?

I have no intention of playing your silly games like i had no intention of refuting anything. I provided fact, if you dont agree then present an argument.

 

[Koldo]

I have no intention of playing your silly games like i had no intention of refuting anything. I provided fact, if you dont agree then present an argument.

Thanks for letting me know you never had an argument to begin with. On this case, we are done.

 

[Koldo]

If the only way is to kill the fetus, then yes, kill the fetus. Once again, that fetus is embedded in someone else's body. If that person wants the fetus out, they have the absolute right to have it out.

If I was embedded in another person's body and they wanted me out and the only way to get me out was to kill me, they would *still* have the right to get me out.

Yes, even if I was previously invited in.

The problem is: How do we determine whether someone has that right ?

 

[Shad]

What do you mean by not being ready to have children ? I am not exactly ready to be run over by a car while I am walking to the market to buy ice cream either, does that make me irresponsible ?

Do you play in play on the HWY when you get your ice cream?

Surely I do try to prevent it from happening in the best way I can but the risk is there and I am not really prepared to face the consequences when/if it happens. If that makes me irresponsible, I think it is fair to say that pretty much the entire human race is irresponsible.

No as sex is avoidable.

 

[Shad]

Women have excess embryos removed during fertility treatments when too many embryos have implanted and therefore some of them will not have a chance to grow and develop into a baby.

Use one then. Problem solved.

This is way I don't want men and any other people who have no idea how my body works or what medical choices may be involved, making my decisions about my own body for me.

Right to Life trumps your autonomy

Like that genius politician who said that our bodies turn off the pregnancy process when we are getting raped. Thanks anyway. That kind of stuff needs to stay between my doctor and I.

Never said anything close to that.

 

[Shad]

Actually, yes they do. When they are 'brain dead', they are dead and lose all rights.

There is more than brain death than I am talking about.

If we looks for that same level of brain activity that distinguishes living from dead, but in the fetus, that starts to happen about the 6th month of pregnancy.

So?

 

[Woberts]

Right to Life trumps your autonomy

Conservative hogwash, as usual.

 

[Shad]

Compelling women who don't want to give birth into giving birth in order to fulfill orders for adoption amounts to human trafficking.

Removing humans rights from something you deem lesser just so women can have consequence free sex is appalling

 

[Shad]

Conservative hogwash, as usual.

Nope. Unlike yourself I do not remove humans rights on a whim nor for arbitrary reasons.

 

[Woberts]

Nope. Unlike yourself I do not remove humans rights on a whim nor for arbitrary reasons.

You remove a woman's rights, so you're lying again. Nice.

 

[Shad]

You remove a woman's rights, so you're lying again. Nice.

Nope as there is no such right to kill another human for no reason or on a whim.

 

[Woberts]

Nope as there is no such right to kill another human for no reason or on a whim.

You are eliminating the rights to privacy and bodily autonomy. Maybe argue against the actual issue instead of a strawman. I get that you're used to doing that, but it's in your best interest to stop it.

 

[Shad]

You are eliminating the rights to privacy and bodily autonomy.

Nope. They still have all the privacy they want. Bodily autonomy is trumped by the right to life. All via an act the people willing or unwittingly accepted themselves

Maybe argue against the actual issue instead of a strawman.

Evidence.

I get that you're used to doing that, but it's in your best interest to stop it.

Yawn.

 

[ChristineM]

Thanks for letting me know you never had an argument to begin with. On this case, we are done.

There was no argument, if you didnt like is then set out your case

 

[Woberts]

Nope. They still have all the privacy they want. Bodily autonomy is trumped by the right to life. All via an act the people willing or unwittingly accepted themselves

Tell me, do you prefer cutting down trees or mining coal?

 

[crossfire]

Removing humans rights from something you deem lesser just so women can have consequence free sex is appalling

Even if you grant equal rights to a woman and an embryo, and you put those rights up against each other, the woman's rights trump an embroy's rights every time. The only way you can make an embroy's rights trump a woman's rights is to make the woman something less than a person in order to remove her rights, which is appalling.

 

[Shad]

Tell me, do you prefer cutting down trees or mining coal?

Point being?

 

[Woberts]

Point being?

Answer?