Sexuality and Choice...

[madhatter85]

And that should not be because of the laws of the society.

No, the laws do not discriminate. they are already fair. you are trying to make them unfair by granting those, who view their behavioral abnormalities to be something that cannot be controlled, extra privileges and exceptions.

 

[madhatter85]

And since when did the growth of the specie matter when it comes to if someone needs help or not?

I am talking about a purely fundamental level of genetics, nature, and their imperfections

 

[madhatter85]

Interesting. You are quoting the UN charter.

Anyways, a lack of equal rights is persecution. Unless you'd like to go back to nice drinking fountains for 'whites' and another fountain for 'coloreds'?

A lack of equal rights is indeed persecution. However, you, as well as many others on this thread, confuse rights for privileges based on prerequisites.

 

[Kerr]

We are not talking about population control or homosexuals baring children. You keep changing the subject because you cannot come up with a reasonable rebuttal with any backing.

I was merely stating that it is more complex then what leads to kids and what not to. Altruistic behaviour, which has no advantage when it comes to bringing children into the world (actually it can have a disadvantage), cannot be called a disorder, and there are several other ways to act that has disadvantages when it comes to bringing kids into the world, but they are still not called disorders.

Besides, since homosexuality has not caused any fall of any civilisation ever I would not call it a factor to count with when it comes to harming the society. Homophobes does that much better.

 

[Kerr]

No, the laws do not discriminate. they are already fair. you are trying to make them unfair by granting those, who view their behavioral abnormalities to be something that cannot be controlled, extra privileges and exceptions.

If the law is that people of the same sex cannot marry, then that is an unfairness that needs to be corrected.

 

[Kerr]

I am talking about a purely fundamental level of genetics, nature, and their imperfections

You seemed to think reproduction had anything to do with why homosexuals appearently would need help, seems I was mistaken then.

And none of that has yet provided an actual reason to why homosexual people would need help.

 

[madhatter85]

I was merely stating that it is more complex then what leads to kids and what not to. Altruistic behaviour, which has no advantage when it comes to bringing children into the world (actually it can have a disadvantage), cannot be called a disorder, and there are several other ways to act that has disadvantages when it comes to bringing kids into the world, but they are still not called disorders.

Besides, since homosexuality has not caused any fall of any civilisation ever I would not call it a factor to count with.

I'm sorry, but homosexuality does not compare to altruism when based in genetics. Since it is apparent that homosexual behavior has existed long before your idea of "overpopulation" it can be deduces that a homosexual gene is not consequence of such.

 

[madhatter85]

If the law is that people of the same sex cannot marry, then that is an unfairness that needs to be corrected.

It is not unfair, It disregards personal feelings of abnormal behavioral concepts. All homosexuals have the same opportunity to marry someone of the opposite sex just as any heterosexual can.

 

[Kerr]

I'm sorry, but homosexuality does not compare to altruism when based in genetics. Since it is apparent that homosexual behavior has existed long before your idea of "overpopulation" it can be deduces that a homosexual gene is not consequence of such.

Does not matter if it is in the gene or not for if it is a disorder or not.

 

[madhatter85]

You seemed to think reproduction had anything to do with why homosexuals appearently would need help, seems I was mistaken then.

And none of that has yet provided an actual reason to why homosexual people would need help.

As i have said before, Just as people have a genetic predisposition to any other behavioral anomaly or abnormality, homosexuality is no different. If they cannot learn to cope and correct themselves, there are other venues of help like therapy or medical treatments that may apply. This applies to all behavioral abnormalities.

 

[madhatter85]

Does not matter if it is in the gene or not for if it is a disorder or not.

So are you saying it's not genetic?
Are you saying it is a choice then?

 

[Kerr]

It is not unfair, It disregards personal feelings of abnormal behavioral concepts. All homosexuals have the same opportunity to marry someone of the opposite sex just as any heterosexual can.

You don´t think that its fair? On what grounds? The law gives rights to some and not to others, that is unfair (and no, I am not confusing priviligoues with rights, when the law does something like this it becomes a question of rights).

 

[Kerr]

So are you saying it's not genetic?
Are you saying it is a choice then?

I am saying it does not matter if it is genetic or a choice to if it is a disorder or not.

 

[Kerr]

As i have said before, Just as people have a genetic predisposition to any other behavioral anomaly or abnormality, homosexuality is no different. If they cannot learn to cope and correct themselves, there are other venues of help like therapy or medical treatments that may apply. This applies to all behavioral abnormalities.

I am not sure of what you mean with "abnormal" to be honest. But if it means what is different, I don´t care.

 

[madhatter85]

You don´t think that its fair? On what grounds? The law gives rights to some and not to others, that is unfair (and no, I am not confusing priviligoues with rights, when the law does something like this it becomes a question of rights).

No, it provides the exact same rights to everyone. Except in some states, A heterosexual male may not marry another male. It applies to everyone, and it is not a "right." there are prerequisites to marriage. A right is something that is inherent to all. same as voting, That is also a privilege because it can be taken away if you do not obey the other laws.

 

[Autodidact]

No, the laws do not discriminate. they are already fair. you are trying to make them unfair by granting those, who view their behavioral abnormalities to be something that cannot be controlled, extra privileges and exceptions.

You consider marrying an "extra privilege and exception?" Because the Supreme Court begs to differ.

 

[Autodidact]

No, it provides the exact same rights to everyone. Except in some states, A heterosexual male may not marry another male. It applies to everyone, and it is not a "right." there are prerequisites to marriage. A right is something that is inherent to all. same as voting, That is also a privilege because it can be taken away if you do not obey the other laws.

Contradict yourself much? No, it does not provide the right to marry a woman equally to both sexes. It discriminates against women in that regard.

 

[Scott C.]

No offense Scott, but that's kind of a funny post.

It's like "I'm gonna go ahead and say what no-one else will... Mass murder is bad, and I'm not gonna stand for it."

Seriously.. Who's going to argue in favor of rape?

It was supposed to be kind of funny. Thanks for noticing.

 

[madhatter85]

I am saying it does not matter if it is genetic or a choice to if it is a disorder or not.

How does it not matter? The only way it would not be a disorder is if it was a choice. because genetics would not deliberately create an anomaly that would inhibit the desire to copulate with a member of the opposite sex in humans, Unless you are implying that natural selection is taking it's course and attempting to kill off the human race. (which i don't believe to be the case)

 

[madhatter85]

I am not sure of what you mean with "abnormal" to be honest. But if it means what is different, I don´t care.

Abnormal