Shaking the Dust...

[RESOLUTION]

Christ told disciples to shake the dust from their feet from anywhere they were not welcomed.

We all have an idea about what that meant.

How do you think it reflects on the faith of men today and believers all over the world?

Do they still shake the dust and was the example they moved on after establishing those being saved
after Christ had left the earth and returned to heaven?

 

[omega2xx]

Christ told disciples to shake the dust from their feet from anywhere they were not welcomed.

We all have an idea about what that meant.

How do you think it reflects on the faith of men today and believers all over the world?

Do they still shake the dust and was the example they moved on after establishing those being saved
after Christ had left the earth and returned to heaven?

IMO we shake the dust of false theology off our feet when we reject anything not reinfored by Scripture.

 

[Kemosloby]

I don't know, but dusty ground is probably not the best place to plant seeds.

Matt 13:8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop--a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

In the modern era, it'd probably be advice to block users

 

[Nakosis]

Christ told disciples to shake the dust from their feet from anywhere they were not welcomed.

We all have an idea about what that meant.

How do you think it reflects on the faith of men today and believers all over the world?

Do they still shake the dust and was the example they moved on after establishing those being saved
after Christ had left the earth and returned to heaven?

I think they, back then relied on charity. Moving from place to place spreading the Word, relying on God, the charity of other folks, to survive. Giving away worldly possessions to the poor to follow Jesus. How many Christians actually follow this? This way of Jesus is pretty tough, give it all away and rely on God to survive. Not too many folks actually willing to follow the way of Jesus. I think that's way Rome relied more on the doctrine of Paul. Christians found a way out of this requirement, I remember reading about it but forget how it worked.

So it's trusting in God. Not people. One household rejects you, rely that God when lead you to a more charitable household.

 

[pearl]

Christ told disciples to shake the dust from their feet from anywhere they were not welcomed.

They were not sent all over, Jesus warned them to go only to the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel'. It seems to be as much a question of expected, deserved hospitality. But also a warning to the town that did not receive them; ' it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.'
As for today, to some extant all churches are missionary, some more pushy than others and don't seem to know when to 'walk away'. 'Are you saved' is the first question asked, if you hesitate it provides the motivation not to 'shake the dust'.

 

[BSM1]

Probably simply meant to move on to more fertile grounds.

 

[Deeje]

Christ told disciples to shake the dust from their feet from anywhere they were not welcomed.

We all have an idea about what that meant.

Actually, most people don't. (Matthew 10:11-15)
'Shaking the dust off their feet' meant that the customary washing of the feet of a visiting guest was not performed. Hospitality was a requirement in Israel, so that a visitor was received, had their feet washed (open sandals on a dusty road meant that this was always necessary) and refreshments were provided. If the visitor left with unwashed feet, they had failed in their duty of care for a fellow "brother".

Christ at first told his disciples not to take provisions on their journeys to visit towns and villages with the good news because fellow Jews were obligated to care for their needs. (Luke 9:2-3) Later he changed that advice because hostility had been fostered by the religious leaders against them and hospitality was refused. (Luke 22:36) This was an indication of what was to come. (John 15:18-21) Only a "remnant" of the Jewish nation responded to Jesus' preaching, as it was foretold. (Roman 9:27)

How do you think it reflects on the faith of men today and believers all over the world?

Those who follow the recommendations of Jesus in the gospels will sacrifice material comforts or selfish pursuits in order to preach "the good news of the kingdom" as the Master commanded. (Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:19-20)

There are many who identify as "Christians" today who not only fail to preach about God's Kingdom, but have no idea what the "good news" (gospel) actually is. You cannot preach the gospel if you don't know what it is, or what it will accomplish. Even the clergy will have differing opinions about the kingdom. And considering that all Christians were preachers in the first century, it is incumbent on all who profess the Christian faith to spread the word. (Luke 10:1-2)

Do they still shake the dust and was the example they moved on after establishing those being saved
after Christ had left the earth and returned to heaven?

The fact is, when God sent his prophets to Israel's leaders to correct them and to put the nation back on the right course, he sent them "again and again" (Jeremiah 25:4) so the people and their leaders had no excuse to ignore his counsel or to complain about the consequences. Jesus told us what happened to those prophets. (Matthew 23:37-39) Because of their refusal to accept the correction, God abandoned Israel as his people. God virtually 'shook the dust off his feet' because his representatives were not obeyed and even killed.
It's similar with Christ's disciples. When they are not well received in one house, they move on to a more deserving one where the message is embraced and the people accept the message and in turn, become messengers themselves. (Matthew 10:11-15)

 

[RESOLUTION]

I think they, back then relied on charity. Moving from place to place spreading the Word, relying on God, the charity of other folks, to survive. Giving away worldly possessions to the poor to follow Jesus. How many Christians actually follow this? This way of Jesus is pretty tough, give it all away and rely on God to survive. Not too many folks actually willing to follow the way of Jesus. I think that's way Rome relied more on the doctrine of Paul. Christians found a way out of this requirement, I remember reading about it but forget how it worked.

So it's trusting in God. Not people. One household rejects you, rely that God when lead you to a more charitable household.

The believers sold their possessions and shared with each other the proceeds to feed everyone.

Acts 5

1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

I believe it was more a sharing of what they had and we see that they did not have to give everything. The believers lived together and sold their possessions to feed all.

It is interesting that Peter said;- "Silver and God, have I none, but such as I have give I thee. In the Name of Jesus Christ, of Nazareth rise up and walk."

In selling things for the good of the Kingdom it appeared to acknowledge that the things of God cannot be bought and they cannot be prized above the things men put value upon.
To be able to heal and to help others were the things men of God sought. I am not sure that people see that you cannot serve God and Money.

 

[RESOLUTION]

They were not sent all over, Jesus warned them to go only to the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel'. It seems to be as much a question of expected, deserved hospitality. But also a warning to the town that did not receive them; ' it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.'
As for today, to some extant all churches are missionary, some more pushy than others and don't seem to know when to 'walk away'. 'Are you saved' is the first question asked, if you hesitate it provides the motivation not to 'shake the dust'.

At which sending out?

Jesus sent the disciples out before the crucifixion and resurrection and then again afterwards.
King James Bible
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

All Nations?

We see the example of Peter in Acts 10:35-45

35. But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

It is a known fact that people who did what was right and feared God and worked righteousness was acceptable to God even before Christ came.
We see that Gods covenant was for all the Nations of the World.

 

[RESOLUTION]

Actually, most people don't. (Matthew 10:11-15)
'Shaking the dust off their feet' meant that the customary washing of the feet of a visiting guest was not performed. Hospitality was a requirement in Israel, so that a visitor was received, had their feet washed (open sandals on a dusty road meant that this was always necessary) and refreshments were provided. If the visitor left with unwashed feet, they had failed in their duty of care for a fellow "brother".

Christ at first told his disciples not to take provisions on their journeys to visit towns and villages with the good news because fellow Jews were obligated to care for their needs. (Luke 9:2-3) Later he changed that advice because hostility had been fostered by the religious leaders against them and hospitality was refused. (Luke 22:36) This was an indication of what was to come. (John 15:18-21) Only a "remnant" of the Jewish nation responded to Jesus' preaching, as it was foretold. (Roman 9:27)



Those who follow the recommendations of Jesus in the gospels will sacrifice material comforts or selfish pursuits in order to preach "the good news of the kingdom" as the Master commanded. (Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:19-20)

There are many who identify as "Christians" today who not only fail to preach about God's Kingdom, but have no idea what the "good news" (gospel) actually is. You cannot preach the gospel if you don't know what it is, or what it will accomplish. Even the clergy will have differing opinions about the kingdom. And considering that all Christians were preachers in the first century, it is incumbent on all who profess the Christian faith to spread the word. (Luke 10:1-2)



The fact is, when God sent his prophets to Israel's leaders to correct them and to put the nation back on the right course, he sent them "again and again" (Jeremiah 25:4) so the people and their leaders had no excuse to ignore his counsel or to complain about the consequences. Jesus told us what happened to those prophets. (Matthew 23:37-39) Because of their refusal to accept the correction, God abandoned Israel as his people. God virtually 'shook the dust off his feet' because his representatives were not obeyed and even killed.
It's similar with Christ's disciples. When they are not well received in one house, they move on to a more deserving one where the message is embraced and the people accept the message and in turn, become messengers themselves. (Matthew 10:11-15)

Outward signs rather than signs that come from the inner dwelling of life through the power of Gods Spirit.
Most people who came to Christ because of a persons faith do so from example. They know the person they ask them questions and so by example rather than preaching. They want what they see the other person to have. Simon the sorcerer was a perfect example believing he could buy what the disciples had. But we see he is corrected as Peters example shows to the man begging outside the Temple. The things of God cannot be bought with money and are far more important and powerful than the things of the world.

 

[pearl]

At which sending out?

I think we owe the mission to the Gentiles to Paul.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Simon the sorcerer was a perfect example believing he could buy what the disciples had.

The sorcerer was arguably more honest about how miracle shows worked.

 

[Deeje]

I think we owe the mission to the Gentiles to Paul.

It is true that Paul was "an apostle to the Gentiles" (Romans 11:13) but it was Peter who was sent to the first Gentile convert, Cornelius. (Acts 10:1-35) Beforehand Peter was given a vision of unclean animals and told to slaughter and eat them. Peter was repulsed at the suggestion because Jewish law forbade the consumption of unclean animals. Three times this happened and Peter was told to 'stop calling "unclean" the things that God has cleansed'. Peter got the point of the vision when he was instructed to go to the home of Cornelius, an army officer who had been praying to God. The time had come for Gentiles to benefit from the good news rejected by the majority of Jews and to fulfill the promise made to Abraham, opening up salvation to people of all nations.

 

[pearl]

(Acts 10:1-35)

There is also Paul's account in Gal. After the meeting in Jerusalem the Antiochene missionaries are allowed to continue their circumcision-free mission to the Gentiles. According to Gal Peter continues the mission to the Jews.
Following, there is a disagreement which ended the partnership of Paul and Barnabas, and according to Gal Barnabas joins in the 'hypocrisy' of Peter, who has withdrawn from table fellowship with Gentile Christians at Antioch, placing the blame on James who represents the church in Jerusalem and an authority over the church at Antioch. Peter did modify the table practice but under pressure from James and the Jerusalem church.

 

[RESOLUTION]

I think we owe the mission to the Gentiles to Paul.

Again! We owe nothing to Paul. Christ is all and in all. As Christ himself told us, it was God who did his own work through Christ.
So if his name is the name above all names and his way the only way according what Christ himself said in the bible.
Then who does the Glory belong to and whose is the way?

We owe nothing to Paul everything is owed to God through Christ.

The truth is what Peter and Paul were bringing about Christ.
No amount of teachings will lead a person to God only the truth about Christ.

The Gentiles had no knowledge of the saviour through a scripture but they did have the ability to believe on Christ's name and receive the Holy Spirit. Paul warned them about the " I follow Paul or I follow Peter" frame of mind.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

But I see so many Christians today either quote Paul or John almost exclusively when not throwing in some Moses too.

 

[pearl]

Then who does the Glory belong to and whose is the way?

You are placing Peter and Paul in competition with Christ, that's false. Christianity spread through the Jews and the Gentiles through word of mouth as there was as yet no Scripture beyond the OT, this is the oral tradition that precedes the NT. The Spirit does not exist in a vacuum, nor does the Spirit dictate. Peter and Paul, both filled with the Spirit, had differences as do the thousands of denominations today who all claim to be led by the Spirit of Christ.

 

[RESOLUTION]

The sorcerer was arguably more honest about how miracle shows worked.

Explain the power of God and why the Sorceror could not buy it? Then you will see how everyone knows your answer to be illogical and without understanding.

 

[RESOLUTION]

You are placing Peter and Paul in competition with Christ, that's false. Christianity spread through the Jews and the Gentiles through word of mouth as there was as yet no Scripture beyond the OT, this is the oral tradition that precedes the NT. The Spirit does not exist in a vacuum, nor does the Spirit dictate. Peter and Paul, both filled with the Spirit, had differences as do the thousands of denominations today who all claim to be led by the Spirit of Christ.

That could have been copied and pasted from a book or even learned off by heart from another's teachings.

It does no such thing, as suggested by yourself.
You see Christ, Peter and Paul did everything to the Glory of God.
Had you been taught by God and not man, then you would have understood that they worked to the Glory and praise of God.
There is still not scripture beyond the OT. Christ having fulfilled all that was written about himself in the Law and the Prophets,

For they shall be taught of God.

King James Bible
And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

King James Bible
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

John:16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


1 John 4
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1 john 2.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

The NT was showing the fulfillment of the OT and how believers would be and were taught by God.

If you do not have the Spirit then you do not belong to God. As Christ said.. " Not all who call me Lord, Lord."

There is not set of rules or regulations but the simple truth of believing God and what he has told us about his son just as Abraham believed what God promised about his Son.

Christ did everything to Gods Glory and Peter like Paul and all who are born of the Spirit have done the same.
You cannot earn it...good works or by how you live... one way... the truth about Jesus Christ who tells us to love God and others with all our hearts.

I believe that is what is meant by Christ teachings in the bible. If you think it is wrong then please discuss.