Hi, I have a quick question about Sharia in the western world. Many people have been sending me e-mails lately about all Muslims, or at least Muslim males, wanting to incorporate Sharia in America. I've been trying to argue with them that although there are people like this, it is not true for everyone. So I would like to know if there are any Muslims on this forum who are against implementing Sharia in America and other western countries(although it already exists in Great Britain.) Thanks for the help.
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Sharia in the western world
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i am firmly 10000% against implementing Shariah in the US or in the Western world. i'm female, but my husband agrees with me.
Shariah needs to be properly interpreted and adapted for modern society before it can fairly be implemented in a MUSLIM society, let alone a secular/western one.
Shariah needs to be properly interpreted and adapted for modern society before it can fairly be implemented in a MUSLIM society, let alone a secular/western one.
Sharia wouldn't work in the USA for the simple reason that woman's rights could easily be compromised. Women worked hard in this country for their rights and they wouldn't easily want any woman to not have them.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Sharia's not even working for the Middle East right now, much less anywhere else
actually, if Shariah is CORRECTLY implemented and adapted to modernity, women would not be compromised. most of the supposed "Shariah-based" rulings against women are regional/culturally driven, and that's what Islamic culture as a whole has to overcome.
not an easy task since culture and religion are so intertwined...and that's another reason Shariah won't work anywhere right now.
Kodanshi
StygnosticA
So what is Islamic shariah? Things Muhammad did? How do you work that out? By going to the ahadith and rulings of the 4 imams? Did you know that religiously (NOT local culturebased) women cannot attend the actual burial at a funeral?
Sharia did work 1400 years ago but not now,the biggest hurdle for Sharia is innovation,there can be no innovation for much of the Middle East which is stuck in a time frame to the detriment of thepeople living there,besides Sharia is dependent on school of thought,culture and a lack of education.
Kodanshi
StygnosticA
Innovation is seen as a grave sin, even though the original Qur’an was never revealed in the published order. In fact, it was written on scraps of leaves, etc. and only collected together after Muhammad’s death, when the Caliphs feared that those who knew the Qur’an by heart would die in wars being fought at that time, and take the recitations with them.
The fact that Muhammad never called for such a revision and innovation was nullified by later retconning which stated that Muhammad HAD put the Qur’an together in that order during his lifetime. Let’s just ignore the ahadith that state otherwise, shall we?
The fact that Muhammad never called for such a revision and innovation was nullified by later retconning which stated that Muhammad HAD put the Qur’an together in that order during his lifetime. Let’s just ignore the ahadith that state otherwise, shall we?
Sharia could work, but on a voluntary basis. Individuals could agree to abide by such decrees,
but they'd never get to impose it upon the unwilling. (There'd be a teensy bit of resistance.)
but they'd never get to impose it upon the unwilling. (There'd be a teensy bit of resistance.)
I'm sure that would happen. They'd just need enuf true believers to make it work.
Try to impose it upon the unwilling, & they'd discover why there was a 2nd amendment.
that's based on a Hadith. nowhere in the Qur'an are women forbidden to attend a burial...there are conflicting rulings on whether women can attend burials. i've been to a few, and so have many of my Muslim women friends.
nameless
The Creator
yeah, if shariah adapts adultery, pre-marital sex, and etc.
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Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
As ideas merge over time especially through assimilation of foreign cultures at a sustainable rate often aspects that represent improvement are implemented subtly forming a hybrid, that is often more successful than its parents providing a better environment and outcomes.
If there are aspects of sharia law that would actually improve western law then it will probably be incorporated if it is deemed worthy. This would also have an opposite effect, where sharia law will be modified over time to a more generalist outlook however resistance to change is greater in these cultures . This does not mean all outcomes are good there may be hopeless dangerous hybrids (Nth Korea?).
Whether hybridization occurs or not is dependent on the saturation rate of a societies ability to assimilate it's immigrants, if maintained below saturation the outcomes are usually good. If the rate of change is too great and saturation exceeded, xenophobia erupts and nasty outcomes result.
Cheers
If there are aspects of sharia law that would actually improve western law then it will probably be incorporated if it is deemed worthy. This would also have an opposite effect, where sharia law will be modified over time to a more generalist outlook however resistance to change is greater in these cultures . This does not mean all outcomes are good there may be hopeless dangerous hybrids (Nth Korea?).
Whether hybridization occurs or not is dependent on the saturation rate of a societies ability to assimilate it's immigrants, if maintained below saturation the outcomes are usually good. If the rate of change is too great and saturation exceeded, xenophobia erupts and nasty outcomes result.
Cheers
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ZooGirl02
Well-Known Member
Personally, I am totally against the implementation of Shariah Law in the United States as the law of the land because to me, it is a barbaric legal system. I mean, it dates to before the Middle Ages if that tells you anything. All we need is to go back to the ancient laws of the Dark Ages. 
Justin Thyme
Child of God
Personally, I am totally against the implementation of Shariah Law in the United States as the law of the land because to me, it is a barbaric legal system. I mean, it dates to before the Middle Ages if that tells you anything. All we need is to go back to the ancient laws of the Dark Ages.
Shariah Law can not be implemented in the US as the law of the land without heavily amending the US constitution. Some aspects of Shariah could be implemented as municipal ordinances or even state law but those aspects could not infringe upon the civil rights of the citizens of those jurisdictions. Now that doesn't mean that a community of Muslims can't hold each other accountable to Shariah and even require civil penalties to be paid for breaking Shariah if one has entered into a binding covenant with the community to follow Sharia. However, punishment would be limited to civil penalties. Incarceration or physical abuse would not be allowed in enforcement.
Kodanshi
StygnosticA
So? Nowhere in the Quran are we forbidden to put loaves of bread on peoples head, but I think its probably not something endorsed by Islâm
Are you a hadith rejector then?
nice analogy.
do you think i'm an idiot or something?even the hadith on the matter aren't quite crystal clear, now are they? stop reading things that aren't there. i never said it was recommended for women to go to the burial site, but i simply said it is not specified in the QUR'AN, which, correct me if i'm wrong, is our main source.
source
no, i'm not a "hadith rejector" but i do study them well. is that a problem? it's this type of assumption that makes some Muslims impossible to have a dialogue with.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Sharia is not recognised by British law.
In some strongly Muslim areas sharia is practised by locals, But is has no legal recognition, and can be ignored. Those who recognise such rulings do so for themselves alone, but have no legal effect.
