Sharia in the western world

[Kodanshi]

Sharia is not recognised by British law.
In some strongly Muslim areas sharia is practised by locals, But is has no legal recognition, and can be ignored. Those who recognise such rulings do so for themselves alone, but have no legal effect.

Indeed. However, it covers ALL aspects of life, not simply Hudood penalties. When I believed in Islâm years ago and my final maternal uncle died, we consulted books of Sharia rulings to determine how to enact the funeral process, etc.

 

[Alulu]

Of course it covers all aspects of life, untill the end of the Ottoman empire in the beginning twenties of the 20th century there have always been Islamic empires ruling with Shariah as the only law of the country. No secular constitution whatsoever although in Andalus there were some times where you could argue that they ruled with some secular values as Ibn Rushd was a proponent of that.

Nevertheless the so-called Islamic countries are not even able to run a decent country by Shariah only and respect basic rights for citizens. And Shariah is very broad so it is not like having a big book ready to just be implemented and within a month you rule by Shariah. Many different ruling according different schools of thought for specific times as well. New times ask for new rulings and new investigation according to the same principles of Shariah ("makaan wa zamaan") en some things within it are fixed and some changeable.

 

[Kodanshi]

Yes. That’s why I’ve always maintained it is more like Common Law.

 

[bowingtoGod]

Sharia is only meant for Muslims. Non Muslims can have their own courts so unless the majority of the US becomes Muslim and somehow enacts it, I don't think Sharia has a place in the West.

 

[Starsoul]

Sharia did work 1400 years ago but not now,the biggest hurdle for Sharia is innovation,there can be no innovation for much of the Middle East which is stuck in a time frame to the detriment of thepeople living there,besides Sharia is dependent on school of thought,culture and a lack of education.

For people who have no concept whatsoever shariah is, they are bound to create misinformation regarding it. There is no rule , no decree ever implemented or said in the shariah which goes against education. Education is the way to enlightenment, and it is utmostly binding upon Muslims to educate themselves. Dont' know where you got that from.

Shariah works hand in hand with modern portals of law and justice, its the spirit of its teachings which must remain true to their original nature where ever implemented.

It is not against science, development, or infrastructure. It is just a code of implementing utmost justice and delivering that justice in its entirety without any hurdles of 'exclusive justice for exclusive people'.

 

[arimoff]

Hi, I have a quick question about Sharia in the western world. Many people have been sending me e-mails lately about all Muslims, or at least Muslim males, wanting to incorporate Sharia in America. I've been trying to argue with them that although there are people like this, it is not true for everyone. So I would like to know if there are any Muslims on this forum who are against implementing Sharia in America and other western countries(although it already exists in Great Britain.) Thanks for the help.

Doesn't America have separation between church and state? So why should Muslims who are one of the minorities in the U.S. have a special treatment? No other religion in the U.S. have been granted with establishing their religious laws on entire country so why should sharia be different? You want to live under sharia go to Saudi Arabia and enjoy your sharia "freedom' there.

Hasn't anybody noticed that on what grounds would anybody even propose sharia laws to America? I'm against it, I don't want to be a Muslim and don't want to believe in Allah.

 

[bowingtoGod]

Doesn't America have separation between church and state? So why should Muslims who are one of the minorities in the U.S. have a special treatment? No other religion in the U.S. have been granted with establishing their religious laws on entire country so why should sharia be different? You want to live under sharia go to Saudi Arabia and enjoy your sharia "freedom' there.

Hasn't anybody noticed that on what grounds would anybody even propose sharia laws to America? I'm against it, I don't want to be a Muslim and don't want to believe in Allah.

Saudi Arabia is not a good example of the ideal Muslim country. They are Wahabis and there interpretation of Sharia is just >_<
And even if Sharia law was the law of the land, no one is forced to be Muslim or believe in Allah (swt) or any god

 

[arimoff]

Saudi Arabia is not a good example of the ideal Muslim country. They are Wahabis and there interpretation of Sharia is just >_<
And even if Sharia law was the law of the land, no one is forced to be Muslim or believe in Allah (swt) or any god

There is no good example of a successful country with sharia law, with regards to forcing someone to become Muslim I have heard it all before but I just don't trust people when they say you can believe anything you want. Once the sharia law is enforced then the process of forceful conversions will begin.

 

[bowingtoGod]

There is no good example of a successful country with sharia law, with regards to forcing someone to become Muslim I have heard it all before but I just don't trust people when they say you can believe anything you want. Once the sharia law is enforced then the process of forceful conversions will begin.

I agree that the spirit of the sharia law hasn't been upheld for a while now.
Forced conversions is extremely rare in Islamic history. And I don't think there has even been an instance when Jews were forced to convert. :/

 

[arimoff]

I agree that the spirit of the sharia law hasn't been upheld for a while now.
Forced conversions is extremely rare in Islamic history. And I don't think there has even been an instance when Jews were forced to convert. :/

What do you mean by the spirit of sharia law? if the law leaves room for people to interpret it in the wrong way then the law has to be changed.

have of the Muslim world were forcefully converted by conquests at one point or another, millions of Jews were converted forcefully a lot more were murdered for not willing to convert. Lets stick to the subject but you should really do an honest research who and how was converted.

 

[bowingtoGod]

What do you mean by the spirit of sharia law? if the law leaves room for people to interpret it in the wrong way then the law has to be changed.

have of the Muslim world were forcefully converted by conquests at one point or another, millions of Jews were converted forcefully a lot more were murdered for not willing to convert. Lets stick to the subject but you should really do an honest research who and how was converted.

The spirit of Sharia law is justice, equality and respect.
I have no idea where you are getting your information from O__O
Sure the Islamic Empire conquered many people, but hardly anyone was forced to convert (just the people in the Holy lands, and even then, they were given the right to leave and Muslims were obligated to give them housing and help them leave)
Millions? What are you talking about? Jews were given a special status even as "People of the Book". They could even hold their own courts. And forced conversions are illegal in Islam. There are many passages in the Qur'an that deal with this.