Sharia Law in Ireland

[linwood]

But if private arbitration is a legal option, as it is in Britain, why shouldn't religious options be included in that?.

Because religious standards are determined by religious dogma which by it`s very nature is inflexible and unjust.

 

[linwood]

Not allowing them to express their religious legal concerns will on prompt them to preform such religious courts illegally. It doesn't make sense to stop two people from using a religious arbiter and religious law in settling their personal dispute if they both agree to do so.

It most certainly does make sense.

For example, women within Islam cannot nor ever have gotten an equitable arbitrator when dealing with Sharia law.

Women will agree to be ruled by a Sharia court because they don`t dare do anything else as their religion forbids them to go against Islam.

It`s a complete mockery of justice.

When people start determining legal jurisprudence according to standards set by imaginary gods and religious dogma there is no standard by which to determine what is actually "fair".
What is "fair" doesn`t matter, what matters is what Allah pronounces and since nobody knows what Allah pronounces (since he`s imaginary) then you are at the whim of power hungry Mullahs.

Britain is on the road to destruction if they continue this insanity.

 

[Storm]

Well, that was rather hysterical.

 

[linwood]

Well, that was rather hysterical.

Explain.

 

[Storm]

Explain.

Britain is on the road to destruction if they continue this insanity.

Just struck me as rather Chicken Little.

 

[linwood]

Just struck me as rather Chicken Little.

I disagree.

I know quite a few British citizens who are in full agreement with my assertion.

Britain has begun down the path of making a "separate but equal" society.
One for Muslims and one for everyone else.

As an American well versed in my countries civil rights history I know that a society cannot maintain equity among it`s populace with such a system.

Britain`s government apparently fears the Muslims it has coddled to the point of complete disrespect for British culture for many decades.
They have caved in to a sort of subtle terrorism itself.
"Make them happy or they`ll burn the place down."

A culture war with all it`s casualties is preferable to surrendering ones own culture in the hope that there will be no casualties.

Allowing any form of Sharia can do nothing but further erode what the country is and once was.

 

[England my lionheart]

I disagree.

I know quite a few British citizens who are in full agreement with my assertion.

Britain has begun down the path of making a "separate but equal" society.
One for Muslims and one for everyone else.

As an American well versed in my countries civil rights history I know that a society cannot maintain equity among it`s populace with such a system.

Britain`s government apparently fears the Muslims it has coddled to the point of complete disrespect for British culture for many decades.
They have caved in to a sort of subtle terrorism itself.
"Make them happy or they`ll burn the place down."

A culture war with all it`s casualties is preferable to surrendering ones own culture in the hope that there will be no casualties.

Allowing any form of Sharia can do nothing but further erode what the country is and once was.

I totally agree

 

[Father Heathen]

Just struck me as rather Chicken Little.

I thought it was a rather valid and accurate assessment of "sharia law", myself.

 

[YmirGF]

Just struck me as rather Chicken Little.

Actually Stormy, I know several British expatriates who would not consider moving back to England due to the current "climate" there. To be honest, it was part of the reason they left England.

 

[bp789]

I disagree.

I know quite a few British citizens who are in full agreement with my assertion.

Britain has begun down the path of making a "separate but equal" society.
One for Muslims and one for everyone else.

As an American well versed in my countries civil rights history I know that a society cannot maintain equity among it`s populace with such a system.

Britain`s government apparently fears the Muslims it has coddled to the point of complete disrespect for British culture for many decades.
They have caved in to a sort of subtle terrorism itself.
"Make them happy or they`ll burn the place down."

A culture war with all it`s casualties is preferable to surrendering ones own culture in the hope that there will be no casualties.

Allowing any form of Sharia can do nothing but further erode what the country is and once was.

"Separate but equal" isn't really accurate because if Sharia is allowed, then they won't be equal. For example, Muslim men are allowed to have up to four wives, but non-Muslims can only have one wife. Plus, Muslims in Britain are legally allowed to keep multiple wives as long as they were married in a different country.

India sort of has the same thing except there's a way around the law. If a Hindu wants to have two wives, the three of them can convert to Islam and marry, and the husband can convert back to Hinduism and still be allowed to keep the wives. But there's no way around for women marrying multiple husbands.

Just wondering, is there an actual list of laws in Sharia? I know Sharia is the legal aspect of Islam, but what are all of the actual laws? Is there a list?

 

[kai]

I disagree.

I know quite a few British citizens who are in full agreement with my assertion.

Britain has begun down the path of making a "separate but equal" society.
One for Muslims and one for everyone else.

As an American well versed in my countries civil rights history I know that a society cannot maintain equity among it`s populace with such a system.

Britain`s government apparently fears the Muslims it has coddled to the point of complete disrespect for British culture for many decades.
They have caved in to a sort of subtle terrorism itself.
"Make them happy or they`ll burn the place down."

A culture war with all it`s casualties is preferable to surrendering ones own culture in the hope that there will be no casualties.

Allowing any form of Sharia can do nothing but further erode what the country is and once was.

there is a lot of truth in this , our government is astoundingly weak when it comes to the problems multiculturalism has brought.

 

[cottage]

I disagree.

I know quite a few British citizens who are in full agreement with my assertion.

Britain has begun down the path of making a "separate but equal" society.
One for Muslims and one for everyone else.

As an American well versed in my countries civil rights history I know that a society cannot maintain equity among it`s populace with such a system.

Britain`s government apparently fears the Muslims it has coddled to the point of complete disrespect for British culture for many decades.
They have caved in to a sort of subtle terrorism itself.
"Make them happy or they`ll burn the place down."

A culture war with all it`s casualties is preferable to surrendering ones own culture in the hope that there will be no casualties.

Allowing any form of Sharia can do nothing but further erode what the country is and once was.

You are quite right, and it's becoming not a little scary. That Abu Hamza was for so long allowed to preached hatred, calling for violence against the host country ('I would love to kill British troops') was an absolute disgrace. He even publicly aplauded the 7/7 bombers. Many young Muslims, second or even third generation in some cases, supported this view. Our spineless government is frozen into innaction, makes all sorts of concessions and mouths mealy platitudes for fear of offending the 'Muslim Community', when it ought to be vigorously standing up for British values and the rule of law.

 

[monta]

Thanks for the answers everyone who voted.

I think of myself as quite moderate, and was annoyed to read that some people wanted to introduce Sharia law into Ireland, I was interested to know if this reaction was rational, this was my reason for posting.

I know conversations diversify naturally but would prefer it if this didn't descend into an off topic grudge book of specific Muslims.

 

[Breathe]

I totally agree

I second that.

One law for all of the citizens of the nation. Secular laws.

 

[Diederick]

No. Not only do I find it impossible to believe the majority of Ireland supports Sharia, religious laws are by definition less valid compared to secular laws. There is nothing in Sharia law that could possibly be useful to mankind and that is not only logic.

Of course it is bad to steal. But it isn't bad to be homosexual.

A person's 'spiritual' convictions should remain with the person - and should certainly never be adopted by law, unless the purpose of that law is anything but justice.

 

[monta]

No. Not only do I find it impossible to believe the majority of Ireland supports Sharia, religious laws are by definition less valid compared to secular laws. There is nothing in Sharia law that could possibly be useful to mankind and that is not only logic.

Of course it is bad to steal. But it isn't bad to be homosexual.

A person's 'spiritual' convictions should remain with the person - and should certainly never be adopted by law, unless the purpose of that law is anything but justice.

The Muslim population of Ireland is only 2% , and of that 2% only a small number proclaimed they would want Ireland to be governed by Sharia law, and I believe they were all young men, who are typically imo quite vociferous about their idealism.

On the homosexual issue, Ireland doesn't have a very good record here, they have rejected the requirement of the EU to allow gay marriage, and have only recently reduced the age of consent to 17 for gay men from 21 .

 

[TheKnight]

It most certainly does make sense.

For example, women within Islam cannot nor ever have gotten an equitable arbitrator when dealing with Sharia law.

Women will agree to be ruled by a Sharia court because they don`t dare do anything else as their religion forbids them to go against Islam.

It`s a complete mockery of justice.

When people start determining legal jurisprudence according to standards set by imaginary gods and religious dogma there is no standard by which to determine what is actually "fair".
What is "fair" doesn`t matter, what matters is what Allah pronounces and since nobody knows what Allah pronounces (since he`s imaginary) then you are at the whim of power hungry Mullahs.

Britain is on the road to destruction if they continue this insanity.

So because you hate what they believe and see them as delusional fools, it is OK for you to tell them how they should operate in relation to one another as far as what they believe?

 

[Sahar]

What's the big deal really?
Any country I live in, I'd like to see it follow the laws of Allah, i.e Islamic Shari'a. But maybe when its people become Muslims or something....if it was non Muslim one

 

[Sahar]

No. If they wish to live in a country without Sharia, then they should comply with the laws of that country.

The article didn't mention anything about not complying!!
Is like asking if I want to see the Irish people becoming Muslims. My answer would be absolutely yes.

 

[linwood]

So because you hate what they believe and see them as delusional fools, it is OK for you to tell them how they should operate in relation to one another as far as what they believe?

I think you should attempt to read for content.

I said nothing of the kind.