Shaykh Prof. Palazzi on Jews' right of Israel

[sun rise]

Hi Sunrise . Your concern is right . To know Qur'an properly you have to have a strong sense of Arabic language . Please see below concerning the right meaning of 17:104 :

Almighty GOD has used past tense in Qur'an to confirm future events to denote its certainty . You will find so many events for the day of Judgment and/or for the end of the time are being expressed in past tense though these are yet to take place in future . Few examples for your perusal :


إِذَا* الشَّمْسُ كُوِّرَتْ**81:1

When (*Future Tense) the sun was Wrapped around ( **Past Tense) (on Judgment Day).

وَيَوْمَ يُنفَخُ* فِي الصُّورِ فَفَزِعَ** مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَن فِي الْأَرْضِ إِلَّا مَن شَاءَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَكُلٌّ أَتَوْهُ دَاخِرِينَ27:87

And the Day on which the Trumpet will be blown(*Future Tense) and all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth, will be terrified(** Past Tense) except him whom Allah will (exempt). And all shall come to Him humbled. (on Judgment Day)

6:27 وَلَوْ تَرَىٰ* إِذْ وُقِفُوا** عَلَى النَّارِ فَقَالُوا*** يَا لَيْتَنَا نُرَدُّ وَلَا نُكَذِّبَ بِآيَاتِ رَبِّنَا وَنَكُونَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ

If thou couldst see(* Future Tense) when they are stand (** Past Tense) the Fire and say ( *** Past Tense) : Oh, would that we might return! Then would we not deny the revelations of our Lord but we would be of the believers! (in Hell)

In light of the above post , you may now look into verse 17:7 and 17:104 . These two verses are interlinked with the context and background to support for one another .

إِنْ أَحْسَنتُمْ أَحْسَنتُمْ لِأَنفُسِكُمْ ۖ وَإِنْ أَسَأْتُمْ فَلَهَا ۚ فَإِذَا جَاءَ* وَعْدُ الْآخِرَةِ لِيَسُوءُوا** وُجُوهَكُمْ وَلِيَدْخُلُوا*** الْمَسْجِدَ كَمَا دَخَلُوهُ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَلِيُتَبِّرُوا# مَا عَلَوْا تَتْبِيرًا17:07

(Saying): If ye do good, ye do good for your own souls, and if ye do evil, it is for them (in like manner). So, when the time for the second (of the judgments) came ( * Past Tense) (We roused against you others of Our slaves) to ravage you (** Future Tense), and to enter the Temple (*** Future Tense) even as they entered it the first time, and to lay waste(#Future Tense) all that they conquered with an utter wasting.


وَقُلْنَا مِن بَعْدِهِ لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اسْكُنُوا الْأَرْضَ فَإِذَا* جَاءَ وَعْدُ** الْآخِرَةِ جِئْنَا*** بِكُمْ لَفِيفًا17:104

And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": but when(* Future Tense) the second of the warnings came to pass(** Past Tense) We gathered(*** Past tense) you together in a mingled crowd

The red part of the verse is all about future prediction as it is talking about some future moment closest to Akhirat . See below some renowned translators who translated this verse in future tense :

Moshkin Khan : And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام on the earth], We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations). (Tafsir Al-Qurtubi,).
Asad : And after that We said unto the children of Israel: "Dwell now securely on earth - but [remember that] when the promise of the Last Day shall come to pass, We will bring you forth as [parts of] a motley crowd!"
Malik : Thereafter We said to the Children of Israel: "Settle down in the land and when the promise of the hereafter comes to be fulfilled, We shall assemble you all together."
Pickthall : And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass we shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.

However , the settlement of Jews community in Israel and their gaining fierce power above their enemies in current days confirm beyond any argument that 17:104 was really talking about the future events and now it happened already . To deny this simple fact is nothing but denying the miracle of Qur'an .

Thank you for that explanation of how future/past tenses are used in the Quran.

 

[Union]

Thank you for that explanation of how future/past tenses are used in the Quran.

You are welcome .

 

[Union]

Peace to all
If one reads the Noble Quraan in its proper contex you will determine the Quraan differentiates between
Children of Israel (Bani Israel) and a Jew (Yahudi).
Never will you find a verse that states that the Jews will gather to form the State of Israel.
Never will you find a verse that states that they will be allowed to steal the land.
Never will you find a verse that states that they will commit murder to achieve their objective.
Remember not all Jews are from Children of Israel(Jacob).
All reverts into Judaism become Jews hence a revert cannot be from the lineage of Jacob.
There is a verse in Noble Quraan chapter 21 verse 95/96 which is very clear to me that states
that the Children of Israel(Jacob) will only be gathered once Gog and Magog are let loose on Earth.
My opinion is that the present Jews in Israel is from the lineage of Gog and Magog.
Keep in mind that the majority of Jews present in Israel today are reverts and they came from
the North of where the barrier was built by Dhul-qarnain.
That discussion is in progress in the ff link.
Jews deserve Israel - Qur'an confirms

Peace to all.

Salam Farouk . Can you please bring your research regarding the genetics of modern Jews whether they can be reached to Prophet Abraham or not .

 

[Godobeyer]

Brother @Union, If you care about Palestinians and Jews lives, and want made peace ,since this partly about politics, It's weird that I never notice that you post a thread or post about in politic DIR ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Thank you for that explanation of how future/past tenses are used in the Quran.

Hello sunrise .

If you read Quran, you may notice God speak about Judgement Day or Paradise or Hell in past tenses.
because for Him everything is already happened .

 

[Union]

Brother @Union, If you care about Palestinians and Jews lives, and want made peace ,since this partly about politics, It's weird that I never notice that you post a thread or post about in politic DIR ?

What are you saying is right . This problem is needed to be reconciled with political and diplomatic agreements . But the issue on hand now is more religious that politics . Muslims feel Jerusalem is their land religiously though Qur'an is astonishingly silent about it and Bible cherished it hundred times . Muslim at least got Mecca and Medina - two holy lands to be happy with where Jews only have Jerusalem . For last 3000 years their forefathers have been staying there and Christians and Muslims invaded them on their land in different times and era .

My point is very simple . Muslim should erase from their heads that Jerusalem has any religious significance for them . When emotion will overcome and logic will prevail , then we should sit with the Jews and international community to find a way forward for the Palestine . 'Kill the Jews' , ' Erase Israel from the map', ' My death is more dearer than Jews' lives ' etc. emotions not helping Palestinian and nor it will help . Almighty GOD's help didn't come in this 70 years and I do not think it will come at all as we are thinking in wrong direction .

 

[Godobeyer]

What are you saying is right . This problem is needed to be reconciled with political and diplomatic agreements . But the issue on hand now is more religious that politics . Muslims feel Jerusalem is their land religiously though Qur'an is astonishingly silent about it and Bible cherished it hundred times . Muslim at least got Mecca and Medina - two holy lands to be happy with where Jews only have Jerusalem . For last 3000 years their forefathers have been staying there and Christians and Muslims invaded them on their land in different times and era .

My point is very simple . Muslim should erase from their heads that Jerusalem has any religious significance for them . When emotion will overcome and logic will prevail , then we should sit with the Jews and international community to find a way forward for the Palestine . 'Kill the Jews' , ' Erase Israel from the map', ' My death is more dearer than Jews' lives ' etc. emotions not helping Palestinian and nor it will help . Almighty GOD's help didn't come in this 70 years and I do not think it will come at all as we are thinking in wrong direction .

If you noticed in other thread I said that land is belong to Jews and Christians and Muslims.
I do believe that Holy land is suppose to belong to Muslims now, because we are farvorite people (explained it before).
Mecca and Medina and Alquds are Holy land for Muslims , we never ever release them .

EDITED Typo error
Muslims should NOT ecrase from their heads that Alquds (Jerusalem) is part of Muslim land.
Israeli goverment is the most responsible for death and voilence and hate their.
I wish you to comment about Israeli oppression and occupation and racist too .

 

[faroukfarouk]

Salam Farouk . Can you please bring your research regarding the genetics of modern Jews whether they can be reached to Prophet Abraham or not .

walaikum salaam brother Union.
DNA studies confirm that 97% of people who call themselves Jews, ARE NOT descendents of Abraham.
In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim (a Jew), a biologist at Hebrew University, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood.
The newest DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and his associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, has confirmed that:
The various groups of Jews in the world today DO NOT share a common genetic origin, and their genome is largely Khazar.
Brother Union this should shock you.
DNA research shows that the Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the Khazar Jews.
The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashkenazim‘.
The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar. A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.
So brother Union who are the Khazars?
Are you in doubt that they are Gog and Magog?
Brother do some historical research.The muslim historian At-Tabari is a good start.
Salaams.

 

[Union]

walaikum salaam brother Union.
DNA studies confirm that 97% of people who call themselves Jews, ARE NOT descendents of Abraham.
In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim (a Jew), a biologist at Hebrew University, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood.
The newest DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and his associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, has confirmed that:
The various groups of Jews in the world today DO NOT share a common genetic origin, and their genome is largely Khazar.
Brother Union this should shock you.
DNA research shows that the Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the Khazar Jews.
The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashkenazim‘.
The 1973 Jewish Encyclopedia documents that approximately 90% of the world’s so-called Jews are Khazar. A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.
So brother Union who are the Khazars?
Are you in doubt that they are Gog and Magog?
Brother do some historical research.The muslim historian At-Tabari is a good start.
Salaams.

Please read below :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry

 

[faroukfarouk]

Salaams brother union
Brother stop reading wikipedia propaganda and study DNA directly to understand who comes from the lineage of Ebrahim AS.
Believe me its very easy to distinguish between the descendents of Ebrahim AS.
Keep in mind that the Arabs descended from Ebrahim AS.
If present Jews claim to be descendents of Abraham then their DNA has to be close to our Arab brothers.
The Khazar DNA are nowhere close.
Salaams

 

[Union]

Salaams brother union
Brother stop reading wikipedia propaganda and study DNA directly to understand who comes from the lineage of Ebrahim AS.
Believe me its very easy to distinguish between the descendents of Ebrahim AS.
Keep in mind that the Arabs descended from Ebrahim AS.
If present Jews claim to be descendents of Abraham then their DNA has to be close to our Arab brothers.
The Khazar DNA are nowhere close.
Salaams

I myself also don't like Wikipedia much , but in this case it is all about scientific research and the references are there . Scientist really proved that Khazar issue is a myth .

 

[faroukfarouk]

My dear brother Union
Please don't entrap your imaan with Mossad propaganda.
Read the ff books.
1."THE INTERNATIONAL JEW."
The book was published in 1923 and written by Henry Ford.He concludes that very few of these people who called themselves "Jews" were descendants of the Bible Israelites.
2".IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA"
Published in 1951by a retired U.S. Military Intelligence Officer.He gives overwhelming evidence that this strange Race of Eastern European "Jews" were actually Khazar and Mongol Asiatics and had no racial ancestory in Israel at all.
3".ISRAEL'S $5 TRILLION DOLLAR SECRET"
Published in 1977 by Col. Curtis B. Dall a former son-in-law of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.In his book he proves from reliable sources that the Jews are NOT Israelites. In fact, Col. Dall calls their masquerade as "Israel" the greatest "hoax" of the last centuries.
4."THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE"
Published in 1976 by Arthur Koestler a Jew who was found dead with his wife 1983.It was a typical Mossad suicide cover up.

Brother these books are a must read because it will strengthen your imaan.
Brother Union we living in times of universal deceit."By way of deception wage war".
ISIS was created to make Islam look like a bloodthirsty religion.But you know what gave the game away?ISIS never attacked Israel.
Do you know what ISIS stands for?Off course you don't because you state make peace with them.
ISIS="Israeli Secret Intelligence Service".
Brother Union gog and magog are the creation of Allah and their appearance are a test of your imaan.Don't fall into their traps.
The global media is in the hands of these murders.Truth is an insult to their culture.Let truth prevail because the truth will set you free.
Salaams

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Astounding the lies people will make to support their own agenda !!

 

[faroukfarouk]

Salaams brother Union
There you go brother.Confirmation that truth hurts.
Now you have every reason to study those 4 books and its all written by non-Muslims.
Salaams

 

[interminable]

المائده
وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ يَدُ اللَّهِ مَغْلُولَةٌ غُلَّتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَلُعِنُوا بِمَا قَالُوا بَلْ يَدَاهُ مَبْسُوطَتَانِ يُنفِقُ كَيْفَ يَشَاءُ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم مَّا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ طُغْيَانًا وَكُفْرًا وَأَلْقَيْنَا بَيْنَهُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاءَ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ كُلَّمَا أَوْقَدُوا نَارًا لِّلْحَرْبِ أَطْفَأَهَا اللَّهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا وَاللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُفْسِدِينَ
And the Jews say, "The hand of Allah is chained." Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended; He spends however He wills. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. And We have cast among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war [against you], Allah extinguished it. And they strive throughout the land [causing] corruption, and Allah does not like corrupters. (64)

 

[interminable]

Give them an inch and they will take a yard

Unfortunately Israel regime isn't satisfied with Palestinian land they wanna expand it from NILE to EUPHRATES

 

[mojtaba]

المائده
وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ يَدُ اللَّهِ مَغْلُولَةٌ غُلَّتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَلُعِنُوا بِمَا قَالُوا بَلْ يَدَاهُ مَبْسُوطَتَانِ يُنفِقُ كَيْفَ يَشَاءُ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم مَّا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ طُغْيَانًا وَكُفْرًا وَأَلْقَيْنَا بَيْنَهُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاءَ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ كُلَّمَا أَوْقَدُوا نَارًا لِّلْحَرْبِ أَطْفَأَهَا اللَّهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا وَاللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُفْسِدِينَ
And the Jews say, "The hand of Allah is chained." Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended; He spends however He wills. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. And We have cast among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war [against you], Allah extinguished it. And they strive throughout the land [causing] corruption, and Allah does not like corrupters. (64)

Thank you.

Indeed, that verse which you mentioned says that Jews are corrupters and Allah says in another part of Quran,

Certainly We wrote in the Psalms, after the Torah: ‘Indeed My righteous servants[, not corrupters ] shall inherit the earth.’ (105)

 

[mojtaba]

Astounding the lies people will make to support their own agenda !!

Yes. Just like zionists. They kill numerous Humans in Ghaza and Palestin, but they lie that they are reformer.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

ah yes, members of the IDF responding to rocket attacks , and other acts of terrorism ..
i well remember the 67 war ...

 

[mojtaba]

ah yes, members of the IDF responding to rocket attacks , and other acts of terrorism ..
i well remember the 67 war ...

Lol!
After killing many Humans and forcing them, zionists expect from those humans to kiss them and not to answer their violences.

Lol! Lol!