Shia-Sunni debate under the microscope of Qur'an

[Matemkar]

Salam. I need to tell you, there are some misinformation about sunni and shia islamic beliefs here. And I recommend no person here tells the belief of other sects than his/her. Rather we should let everyone explain their beliefs. Otherwise, we can see misinformation mostly supported by picking some quotes and taking them out of context. And it won't help anyone learn the truth.. e.g. as in your post on taqiyya..
Secondly, about "Quranic" arguments, that supposedly are against shia and sunni islamic beliefs, I saw highlighting few verses in this case also.. You are not quoting all the relevant verses about selected topics.. e.g. as in your post on commemoration in salah..
Thirdly, I think, the writer made some mistakes, while typing.. e.g. as in your post on ablution.. (instead of "head" he says "face" again..) Or he does not know anything about shia-sunni islamic ablution.. And just wanting to suggest it is against Quran.. This and other things should be corrected..
And if you are open to arguments, I want to share my thoughts on each and every issue when I have time..
P.s., I do believe, in the sects subforums, everyone is supposed to explain their beliefs.. Not misinform people about other sects.. thanks. ma salam

 

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Salam. I need to tell you, there are some misinformation about sunni and shia islamic beliefs here. And I recommend no person here tells the belief of other sects than his/her. Rather we should let everyone explain their beliefs. Otherwise, we can see misinformation mostly supported by picking some quotes and taking them out of context. And it won't help anyone learn the truth.. e.g. as in your post on taqiyya..
Secondly, about "Quranic" arguments, that supposedly are against shia and sunni islamic beliefs, I saw highlighting few verses in this case also.. You are not quoting all the relevant verses about selected topics.. e.g. as in your post on commemoration in salah..
Thirdly, I think, the writer made some mistakes, while typing.. e.g. as in your post on ablution.. (instead of "head" he says "face" again..) Or he does not know anything about shia-sunni islamic ablution.. And just wanting to suggest it is against Quran.. This and other things should be corrected..
And if you are open to arguments, I want to share my thoughts on each and every issue when I have time..
P.s., I do believe, in the sects subforums, everyone is supposed to explain their beliefs.. Not misinform people about other sects.. thanks. ma salam

W/Salam wa Baraqah bro . All the beliefs and doctrines attributed here to Shia and Sunni taken from respective reliable sources . I didn't provide the source nor discuss them in length just to avoid the time and space as the purpose of this thread is something else . I do appreciate if you can bring them here to discuss not to debate , so that we can clarify these . But if debate is unavoidable , pm after you open the thread in the right place . Thanks .

 

[Assad91]

W/Salam wa Baraqah bro . All the beliefs and doctrines attributed here to Shia and Sunni taken from respective reliable sources . I didn't provide the source nor discuss them in length just to avoid the time and space as the purpose of this thread is something else . I do appreciate if you can bring them here to discuss not to debate , so that we can clarify these . But if debate is unavoidable , pm after you open the thread in the right place . Thanks .

Salam.

Some of the things I've seen in this thread are some of the misconceptions I used to have before researching.

For ex. you said Shia commemorate Prophet (sawa) and Imam (as) in salah.

This is untrue for lot of Shia. Ayatollah Sistani said mentioning anyone else in salah negates it and at end we only say;

"ashadu an la ilaha ill Allah wa dahu la shareeka la

ashadu anna muhummadan abduhu wa rasool

allahumma sali ala muhammad wa al muhammad

as salam alayka ayyuhan nabi rahmatullahi wa barakatu

as salamu alayna ibadailsaliheen

as salam alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu"

thats it.

If I was on desktop I could post from Sistani.org, and even post video of Ayatollah Khameini praying outloud and yoy can hear no mentioning of Ali (as) or anyone else besides "al muhhamad".


Anyway, I just wanted to throw my .2 cents in. I believe Brother Matemkar when able to will give much better response and could really clear things up.

Salam

 

[farouk]

Salaam to all.
Note i am not debating but just enlightening the truth.
In Shia adhan you have an addition.
Ash-hadu anna Aliyan wali-ul-lah.
I testify that Ali is the wali(viceregent) of Allah.
This is an addition and hence Beda't.
Beda't will eventually lead to sherk and Kufr.
Salaam
Farouk

 

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Salam.

Some of the things I've seen in this thread are some of the misconceptions I used to have before researching.

For ex. you said Shia commemorate Prophet (sawa) and Imam (as) in salah.

This is untrue for lot of Shia. Ayatollah Sistani said mentioning anyone else in salah negates it and at end we only say;

"ashadu an la ilaha ill Allah wa dahu la shareeka la

ashadu anna muhummadan abduhu wa rasool

allahumma sali ala muhammad wa al muhammad

as salam alayka ayyuhan nabi rahmatullahi wa barakatu

as salamu alayna ibadailsaliheen

as salam alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu"

thats it.

If I was on desktop I could post from Sistani.org, and even post video of Ayatollah Khameini praying outloud and yoy can hear no mentioning of Ali (as) or anyone else besides "al muhhamad".


Anyway, I just wanted to throw my .2 cents in. I believe Brother Matemkar when able to will give much better response and could really clear things up.

Salam

W/Salam . Check the red part of what you provided . That proved my point .

For more about mentioning Ali's name in Salah , see the massive evidences :

- SHAHADAT-E-SALISA IN THE NARRATIONS OF IMAMS (AS) -



1) Taking the Names of Imams (as) in Namaz:
قال حلبی له اسمی الا ئمة فى الصلوٰة، قال اجملهم

Halabi asked Imam Jafar As Sadiq (as) “Can the names of Imams (as) be said in Namaz?”

Imam Sadiq (as) replied saying: “Say them collectively”.

[Ref: Man la Yahzarul Faqih Vol: 1 Pg: 493 / Tehzeeb ul Ahkaam]


2) What to recite in Qunoot and Tashahhud of Namaz:

قلت لابی جعفر علیه السلام أی شیء أقول فی التشهد و القنوت؟ قال قل بأحسن ما علمت فإنه لو كان موقناً لهلك الناس
Some one asked Imam Muhammad Baqir (as) as to what is to be recited in the qunoot and Tashahhud of Namaz.

Imam Replied saying: “Recite that seems best, if this would have been fixed (as to what is to be recited) then people would have been perished”.


[Ref: Furu-e-Kaafi Vol: 3 Pg: 337 & Khulasat-al-Haqaiq vol: 1 pg: 255]

3) Minimum Recital in Tashahhud:
سالت ابا جعفر علیه السلام عن أدنی ما یجزی من التشهد، قال الشهادتین

Some one asked Imam Muhammad Baqir (as) as to what is the minimum zikr to be recited in the Tashahhud of Namaz.

Imam (as) replied saying: “Recite Shahadatain” i.e. 2 shahadat.

[Ref: Furu-e-Kaafi Vol: 3 Pg: 337]

This is also accepted by Sheikh Sadooq and he says the following in his Amaali:
و یجزی فی التشهد الشهادتان فمازاد فتعبد
Sufficient for Tashahhud is the 2 testimonies and any more than that is worship (ibadat).

[Ref: Amaali – Sheikh Sadooq]
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4) Sending Salawat on Imam Ali (as) in Namaz:
قال امام حسن عسكری علیه السلام :
اذا صلّی علی امیر المومنین فی صلاته قال لا صلین علیك كما صلّیت علیه ولا جعلنه شفیعك استشفعت به.

Imam Hasan Askari (as) said:
When one sends Salawaat on Amir Al Momineen (as) in Namaz, [ Allah(swt) ] says I will send Salawat on you just like you have send Salawat on Him [Imam Ali (as)] and will make Him (as) intercede for you.
[Ref: Tafseer-e-Imam Hasan Askari (as) Pg :240 & Bihar Al Anwar Vol: 85 Pg: 286]

5) Namaz of the Holy Prophet (saww):

وَلَا تَجْهَرْ بِصَلَاتِكَ وَلَا تُخَافِتْ بِهَا وَابْتَغِ بَيْنَ ذَٰلِكَ سَبِيلًا [١٧:١١٠]


"Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between." [17:110]

Jabir ibn Abdullah Ansari asks Imam Muhammad Baqir (as) regarding this verse of the Holy Quran. Imam Baqir (as) replied saying:

ولا تجهر بولایة علی

“Do not say the Wilayat of Imam Ali (as) in Namaz alound. But don’t hide it from Ali (as). Recite it in a middle tone until I give you the permission to recite/declare it openly. This permission was granted on the day of Ghadeer-e-Khum.”

[Ref: Tafseere Noor-us-Saqlain Vol. 3 Pg. 235, Tafseer-e -Ayyashi, Tafseer-e-Saafi, Tafseer-e-Burhaan]

6) Tashahhud of Imam Ali Raza (as) in Namaz:
......اشهد ان لا اله الّا الله وحده لا شریك له و اشهد انّ محمّداً عبده و رسوله..... اشهد انك نعم الرّبّ و انّ محمّداً نعم الرّسول و انّ علیاً نعم المولیٰ ..... اللهم صلی علیٰ محمّدٍ المصطفیٰ و علی المرتضیٰ و فاطمة الزّهراء و الحسن والحسین و علیٰ الائمة الرّاشیدین من آل طٰه و یاسین

...... I bear witness that no god but Allah alone with no partner and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger.....I bear witness that you are the best Lord and that Muhammad is the best Messenger and that Ali is the Best Wali..... O Allah sends Blessings on Muhammad Al Mustafa and Ali Morteza and Fatima Az Zehra and Hassan and Hussein, and the Imam’s from the progeny of Taha and Yaseen.

[Authenticity of Fiqh Ar Raza - A Note]

[Ref: Fiqh Ar-Raza Pg: 108-109 / Mustadrak-ul-Wasail, Book of Prayers, Chapter: 2 (Tashahhud)]

7) Tashahhud of Imam Jafar As Sadiq (as):

.....اشهد ان لا اله الّا الله وحده لا شریك له و اشهد انّ محمّداً عبده و رسوله ..... اشهد انك نعم الرّبّ و انّ محمّداً نعم الرّسول و انّ علیاً نعم الوصی و نعم الامام .....

...... I bear witness that no god but Allah alone with no partner and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger.....I bear witness that you are the best Lord and that Muhammad is the best Messenger and that Ali is the Best Wasi and Imam.....
[Ref: Fiqh-e-Majlisi Pg: 29]



8) Salam on the Imam's (as) after Tashahhud:

السلام عليك أيها النبي ورحمة الله وبركاته ، السلام على جميع أنبياء الله وملائكته ورسله ، السلام على الائمة الهادين المهديين ، السلام علينا وعلى عبادالله الصالحي

Peace be upon you O Prophet & his blessings and grace be upon you! Peace be upon you all messengers and angels and prophets. Peace be upon the Guided Imams who guide. Allah's peace be on us and upon all pious servants of Allah.

[Ref: Mustadrak Al Wasail Vol.5 Pg.9 & Bihar Al Anwar Vol.82 Pg.287 & Al Balad-ul-Ameen Pg.8]

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- FUQAHA AND ULAMA WHO HAVE QUOTED/APPROVED SHAHADAT-E-SALISA IN TASHAHHUD OF NAMAZ -



1) Shikh Tusi (Abu Jafar Muhammad Ibn Hassan Tusi)
Sheikh Tusi in his book "Misbah Al Mutahhajid also mentions the following in Tashahhud:

فإذا جلست للتشهد في الرابعة على ما وصفناه قلت بسم الله وبالله ( وذكر مثله إلا أنه قال ) واشهد ان محمدا نعم الرسول وان عليا نعم ولي واشهد ان ما على الرسول الا البلاغ المبين اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد وبارك على محمد وآل محمد وارحم محمدا وآل محمد ( وزاد بعد قوله الهادين المهديين كلمة الراشدين )

.....I bear witness that you are the best Lord and that Muhammad is the best Messenger and that Ali is the Best Wali.....

[Ref: Misbah ul Mutahajjid Pg.34]




2) Faqih-e-AhleBait(as) Ayatullah Khoi:

In the book "Siraat Ul Najaat Fee Ajwab Il Isteftaat" containing the rulings of Ayatullah Khoi collected by Ayatullah Jawad Tabarizi:

سؤال 240: من يذكر في كل تشهد في الصلاة، بعد الشهادة بالوحدانية و الرسالة، الشهادة لعلي عليه السلام بالولاية، هل يحكم ببطلان صلاته، لو كان ذلك منه جهلا بالحكم، واعتقادا بلزومها أو استحبابها، أم تصح تلك الصلاة؟
الخوئي: إذا كان معتقدا بصحة الصلاة معها، صحت ولا اعادة عليه فيها

Question: If one in every Tashahhud in Prayers after recitation of declaration of Tawheed and Risaalat, recites the declaration of Wilayat of Ali (as), then does the Prayer become invalid? Whether this be out of ignorance of the law, or with believing it to be obligatory or Mustahab, Will that prayer be valid?

Answer by Ayatullah Khoi: “If the person was of the believe that the prayer is valid with it [shahadah of Wilayat of Imam Ali (as)] then the prayers is correct and reciting the praying again is not on him."

[Ref: Siraat Ul Najaat Fee Ajwaab Il Isteftaat Vol.1]
http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m001/06/no0646.html





3) Faqih-e-AhleBait(as) Mirza Jawad Tabrizi [Teacher of Aqa Khomenei]:
Faqih-e-AhleBait (as), Mirza Jawad Tabrizi say’s the following in his book “Asraar-us-Salaat”.

Don’t suffice be reciting the minimal Wajid Tashahhud, but include the sentences of the bigger Tashahhud.
Do not neglect/omit sending Salam on the Imam’s(as) and the Ambiya(as)
I notice the people are neglectfull of reciting Salam on the Imam’s (as) in their prayers.
[Ref: Asraar-us-Salaat Pg: 277]



3)Faqih-e-AhleBait(as) Sayed Ahmad Mustanabat:
Faqih-e-AhleBait (as) Sayed Ahmad Mustanabad say’s the following in his book “Al Qatra”

“I finish this chapter with that Tashahhud which Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) used to recite in Namaz because have heard from a few people that they are in denial of the Third Shahadah in Aazan and Iqamat, although Sheikh Tabrizi in his book “Ehtejaaj” has quoted the following hadees from Imam Jafar Sadiq (as)”;

قال امام صادق علیه السلام : اذا قال احدكم لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله فلیقل علی امیر المومنین ولی الله.

Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) says: “When any one from you says ‘La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadan Rasool Allah” then he must say ‘Alian Wali Allah’.

[Ref: Al-Ehtejaaj Vol: 1 Pg: 230 / Bihar Al Anwar Vol: 27 Hadees: 1]

Sayed Ahmad Mustanabat continues saying:

“This means that with the declaration of Tauheed and Risalat, the declaration of Wilayat of Imam Ali (as) should also be necessarily given. People are ignorant of the fact that based on the above hadees of Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) the declaration of the Wilayat of Imam Ali (as) is among the recommended acts (mustahabat) of Namaz.”

“Below I quote the Tashahhud of Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) because its meaning is very in depth and high and it’s very advantageous for those who think and ponder over it. This is quoted in the book “Fiqh-e-Majlisi” by Muhammad Taqi Majlisi and is as follows:

.....اشهد ان لا اله الّا الله وحده لا شریك له و اشهد انّ محمّداً عبده و رسوله .... اشهد انك نعم الرّبّ و انّ محمّداً نعم الرّسول و انّ علیاً نعم الوصی و نعم الامام
...... I bear witness that no god but Allah alone with no partner and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger.....I bear witness that you are the best Lord and that Muhammad is the best Messenger and that Ali is the Best Wasi and Imam.....

[Ref: Al-Qatra Vol: 1 Pg: 328, (URDU – al Qatra vol: 2 pg 92/93)]







4) Faqih-e-AhleBait(as) Sheikh Abdul Haleem:
Sheikh Abdul Haleem quoting the narration of Tashahhud with the Third Shahadah discusses as follows:

“Some people consider the tradition of Tashahhud which is different from the one which is known among worshippers, as strange and shocking. And the truth is that there is no valid reason to be surprised in this because of the following reasons:

a) The way of Tashahhud which is common in our obligatory and recommended prayers is because that has become well known and famous among us and we recite it repeatedly and the same form of Tashahhud is present is the Tauziul Masail of our Scholars and the forms of Tashahhud is not quoted in the Tauziul Masail although in our books of Hadith and Fiqh there are many different forms of Tashahhud narrated from the Imam’s (as).

b) Faqih Sheikh Muhammad Husain Najafi in his book ‘Jawahir-al-Kalam’ while discussion about Tashahhud says, “The worshipper has the right to recite Tashahhud based on any narration and it’s not in any way proven that a specific form of Tashahhud is obligatory. In fact the lengthy Tashahhud based on the narration from Abu Baseer can also be recited. Hence any narration of Tashahhud from the Imam’s (as) can be recited in Namaz.”

c) All that is said by Sheikh Yusuf Behrani in his book ‘Hadaiq-un-Nazira’ can be summarized as, “It is well known among the people that the Tashahhud with Shahadatain (2 declarations) is obligatory while the Tashahhud with more than 2 declarations is considered Recommended.”

d) It is quoted in Al Kaafi that someone asked Imam Muhammad Baqir (as) as to what is to be recited in the qunoot and Tashahhud of Namaz.
Imam Replied saying: “Recite that seems best, if this would have been fixed (as to what is to be recited) then people would have been perished”.
This narration is also present in Tehzeeb and Wasail-ush-Shia.

The conclusion of the research of the scholars and Fuqaha is what we have stated above.

The various narrations of Tashahhud which are found in our books of narrations such as Man La Yah Zarul Faqih and Mustadrakul Wasail, the count of these narrations goes well above 12. Hence it is quite normal to be surprised on this narration of Tashahhud.

The lengthy Tashahhud narrated from Abu Baseer which is quoted in the books ‘Tehzeeb and Wasail” is considered as the superior most Tashahhud by Sheikh Muhammad Husain Najafi. And the next superior most Tashahhud is the one quoted by the Lover of AhleBait (as), author of the book “Hadaiq-un-Nazira” which is quite similar to the Tashahhud quoted by Faqih Sayed Ahmad Mustanabat in his book ‘Al Qatra’, this Tashahhud also contains the words “I bear witness that Ali is the Best Wali”. This narration of Tashahhud is also quoted by Sheikh Noori in his book “Mustadrakul Wasail”. This Tashahhud is narrated by our Imam’s (as) and our Fuqaha and Scholars.

Hence don’t get swept away by the talk of those who oppose these narrations of Tashahhud. Many have been swept in this wave of confusion. Be aware of them. Be aware of them. Be aware of them. And seek the intercession of Imam Az Zaman (atfs) that Imam (as) keeps us safe from every conflict.

[Ref: Shahadat-e-Salisa Al-Muqaddasa Pg: 224-230]






5)Faqih-e-AhleBait (as) Yusuf Behrani:
Faqih Yusuf Behrani in his book ‘Hadaiq-un-Nazira’ says that in addition to the commonly recited Tashahhud, the following words of Masoom (as) are also to be recited: [This is the tashahhud of Imam Raza (as) taken from Fiqh Ar Raza (as)].

.....اشهد ان لا اله الّا الله وحده لا شریك له و اشهد انّ محمّداً عبده و رسوله .... اشهد انك نعم الرّبّ و انّ محمّداً نعم الرّسول و انّ علیاً نعم المولیٰ ....اللهم صلی علیٰ محمّدٍ المصطفیٰ و علی المرتضیٰ و فاطمة الزّهراء و الحسن والحسین و علیٰ الائمة الرّاشیدین من آل طٰه و یاسین.
...... I bear witness that no god but Allah alone with no partner and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger.....I bear witness that you are the best Lord and that Muhammad is the best Messenger and that Ali is the Best Wali..... O Allah sends Blessings on Muhammad Al Mustafa and Ali Morteza and Fatima Az Zehra and Hassan and Hussein, and the Imam’s from the progeny of Taha and Yaseen.

[Ref: Al Hidaíq-un-Nazirah Vol.8 Pg: 451]

http://www.yasoob.org/books/htm1/m001/02/no0230.html


6)Faqih-e-AhleBait (as) Nasir-e-Millat Sayed Nasir Husain:
Sayed Nasir Husain in his Tauziul Masail (book of laws) ‘Tauhfa-e-Ahmadia’ mentions the following Tashahhud in namaz:

.....اشهد ان لا اله الّا الله وحده لا شریك له و اشهد انّ محمّداً عبده و رسوله ..... اشهد انك نعم الرّبّ و انّ محمّداً نعم الرّسول و انّ علیاً نعم الوصی و انّ الائمة من ولده نعم الائمة ..
...... I bear witness that no god but Allah alone with no partner and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger.....I bear witness that you are the best Lord and that Muhammad is the best Messenger and that Ali is the Best Wali and the Imam’s are the best Imam’s .....

[Ref: Tohfa-e-Ahmadiya Vol: 1 Pg: 154/155 & 212/213]




7)Faqih-e-AhleBait(as) Sayed Muhammad Ali Tabatabai:
Faqih Sayed Muhammad Ali Tabatabai in his Tauziul Masail (book of laws) ‘Al-Qawaneen-ush-Shareeya’ says the following in permitting the recital of the Third Shahadah in Tashahhud of Namaz:

“It is permitted to recited the declaration of Wilayat of Amir-ul-Momineen (as) in Tashahhud after the declaration of Prophet hood of Messenger of Allah (swt) based on what the Imam’s (as) have said.

[Ref: Al-Qawaneen-ush-Shareeya Vol: 1 Pg: 325/326]

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8)Faqih-e-AhleBait(as) Husain Baksh Jadah:
Faqih Husain Baksh Jadah in his Tauziul Masail (book of laws) ‘Anwar-ush-Shariya dar Fikh-e-Jafariya’ quotes the following Tashahhud from Imam Raza (as):

....اشهد ان لا اله الّا الله وحده لا شریك له و اشهد انّ محمّداً عبده و رسوله .... اشهد انك نعم الرّبّ و انّ محمّداً نعم الرّسول و انّ علیاً نعم المولیٰ .... اللهم صلی علیٰ محمّدٍ المصطفیٰ و علی المرتضیٰ و فاطمة الزّهراء و الحسن والحسین و علیٰ الائمة الرّاشیدین من آل طٰه و یاسی
...... I bear witness that no god but Allah alone with no partner and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and His Messenger.....I bear witness that you are the best Lord and that Muhammad is the best Messenger and that Ali is the Best Wali..... O Allah sends Blessings on Muhammad Al Mustafa and Ali Morteza and Fatima Az Zehra and Hassan and Hussein, and the Imam’s from the progeny of Taha and Yaseen.

[Ref: Anwar-ush-Shariya dar Fiqh-e-Jafariya Pg: 58]



9) Faqih-e-AhleBait (as) Muhammad Raza Muhaqqiq Tehrani:
Sheikh Muhammad Raza Muhaqqiq Tehrani in his very famous book ‘Khulasat-ul-Haqaiq Sharhe Sharai-il-Islam’ says:

“It is recommended that in Tashahhud, prayers and praises are included such as ‘بسم الله و بالله وخیر الاسماء’ to be recited at the beginning.”

And Sheik Muhammad Raza Tehrani quotes the following hadees.

قلت لابی جعفر علیه السلام أی شسء أقول فی التشهد و القنوت؟ قال قل بأحسن ما علمت فإنه لو كان موقناً لهلك الناس

Some one asked Imam Muhammad Baqir (as) as to what is to be recited in the qunoot and Tashahhud of Namaz.

Imam Replied saying: “Recite that seems best, if this would have been fixed (as to what is to be recited) then people would have been perished”.

Sheikh Muhammad Raza Tehrani continues saying: “The above hadees proves that no specific words are fixed for recital in Tashahhud, instead prayers, praises, acceptance of heaven and hell and the path and weight etc can be included in Tashahhud. And the best of the recital to be added in the Tashahhud is declaration of Successor ship of Imam Ali (as) after the declaration of Risalat.”

[Khulasat-al-Haqaiq Vol: 1 Pg: 255]




10) Faqih-e-AhleBait (as) Sayed Muhammad Husaini Baqhdadi [Lead the namaz in Haram of Imam Ali (as)]:
Sayed Muhammad Husaini Baghdadi was asked a question on the permissibility of recital of Tashahhud of Imam Jafar as Sadiq quoted in the book Al Qatra by Faqih-e-AhleBait (as) Sayed Ahmad Mustanabat (which in turn quotes from Fiqh-e-Majlisi), also taking support from the following hadees of Imam Sadiq (as) quoted in Ehtejaaj-e-Tabrisi:

قال امام صادق علیه السلام : اذا قال احدكم لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله فلیقل علی امیر المومنین ولی الله۔

Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) says: “When any one from you says ‘La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadan Rasool Allah” then he must say ‘Alian Wali Allah’.

[Ref: Al-Ehtejaaj Vol: 1 Pg: 230 / Bihar Al Anwar Vol: 27 Hadees: 1]

Sayed Muhammad Husaini Baghdadi in reply said that “These are Motabar (respectable) narrations and acting on these is permitted.”


11) Faqih-e-AhleBait (as) Yasoobud deen Rastagari:
Faqih-e-AhleBait (as) Yasoobud deen Rastagari says that in Tashahhud after reciting the 2 Shahadat’s it is permissible to say the following:

و اشهد ان امیر المومنین علیا و اولاده المعصومین حجج الله صلوٰات الله علیهم اجمین






12) Faqih-e-AhleBait (as) Sayed Burujardi:

Faqih-e-AhleBait (as) Sayed Burujardi has the following 2 Tashahhud in his book ‘Jama’e Ahadees-ush-Shia”. The First is from the book “Mishab of Sheikh Tusi” and second is from the book “Fiqh-Ar-Raza”.

مصباح الشيخ 34 - فإذا جلست للتشهد في الرابعة على ما وصفناه قلت بسم الله وبالله ( وذكر مثله إلا أنه قال ) واشهد ان محمدا نعم الرسول وان عليا نعم ولي واشهد ان ما على الرسول الا البلاغ المبين اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد وبارك على محمد وآل محمد وارحم محمدا وآل محمد ( وزاد بعد قوله الهادين المهديين كلمة الراشدين )

فقه الرضا عليه السلام ... اشهد انك نعم الرب وأن محمدا نعم الرسول وان علي بن أبي طالب نعم المولى...

.....I bear witness that you are the best Lord and that Muhammad is the best Messenger and that Ali is the Best Wali.....

[Ref: Jama’e Ahadees-ush-Shia Vol.5 Pg.331]

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Re. : Inheritance of the land of Fadak .
Shia : Fatimah , the daughter of Prophet Muhammad inherited it .
Sunni : Fatimah didn't inherit it .

Analysis from the Qur'an
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For the casual readers we would like to bring the back-ground of this debate between Shia and Sunni very briefly . Fadak is the name of the orchard conquered by Prophet Muhammad during the battle of Khaybar .This garden oasis was owned by Prophet Muhammad as the part of booty obtained from that battle . After his death , when Abu Bakar , the companion of the Prophet became the Caliph , he sized this land and refused to give the share from it to Fatimah , . Caliph Abu Bakar brought the following hadith to nullify Fatimah's inheritance right about Fadak :

It has been narrated by 'Urwa b Zubair on the authority of 'Aisha, wife of the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him), that Fatima, daughter of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), requested Abu Bakr, after the death of the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him), that he should set apart her share from what the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had left from the properties that God had bestowed upon him. Abu Bakr said to her: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is Sadaqa (charity)." The narrator said: She (Fatima) lived six months after the death of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and she used to demand from Abu Bakr her share from the legacy of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) from Khaibar, Fadak and his charitable endowments at Medina. Abu Bakr refused to give her this, and said: I am not going to give up doing anything which the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to do. I am afraid that it I go against his instructions in any matter I shall deviate from the right course. So far as the charitable endowments at Medina were concerned, 'Umar handed them over to 'All and Abbas, but 'Ali got the better of him (and kept the property under his exclusive possession). And as far as Khaibar and Fadak were concerned 'Umar kept them with him, and said: These are the endowments of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) (to the Umma). Their income was spent on the discharge of the responsibilities that devolved upon him on the emergencies he had to meet. And their management was to be in the hands of one who managed the affairs (of the Islamic State). The narrator said: They have been managed as such up to this day. [Sahih Muslim 19/4354].

Hence , the main argument of Caliph Abu Bakar was 'Prophets do not have heir , what they leave behind is charity ' . Hence the land of Fadak turned to charity and no longer a heirloom for Fatimah .Not Fatimah nor followers of Ali (Shia) accepted that and accused Caliph Abu Bakar to do injustice to the family of Ali .

After stretching the historical background of Fadak very briefly, we may now turn our attention to the Qur’an to solve this problem. The main argument we noted here that Prophets do no leave any heir , all what they leave go for charity .

Firstly , we see in the Qur’an that Almighty ALLAH emphasized with real importance to distribute the inheritance among heirs and it is decreed as a compulsory duty upon the believers :

[004:009] And let those fear who, should they leave behind them weakly offspring, would fear on their account, so let them be careful of (their duty to) Allah, and let them speak right words.

[004:010] (As for) those who swallow the property of the orphans unjustly, surely they only swallow fire into their bellies and they shall enter burning fire.

[004:011] Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

[004:012] And you shall have half of what your wives leave if they have no child, but if they have a child, then you shall have a fourth of what they leave after (payment of) any bequest they may have bequeathed or a debt; and they shall have the fourth of what you leave if you have no child, but if you have a child then they shall have the eighth of what you leave after (payment of) a bequest you may have bequeathed or a debt; and if a man or a woman leaves property to be inherited by neither parents nor offspring, and he (or she) has a brother or a sister, then each of them two shall have the sixth, but if they are more than that, they shall be sharers in the third after (payment of) any bequest that may have been bequeathed or a debt that does not harm (others); this is an ordinance from Allah: and Allah is Knowing, Forbearing.

[004:013] These are Allah's limits, and whoever obeys Allah and His Apostle, He will cause him to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them; and this is the great achievement.

The above information regarding the distribution of inheritance is equally applicable for each and every human (Ref to verse 4.1 , addresses to all human - ياايها النا&#1587 , which also includes Prophet Muhammad . According to the above verses daughters deserve the share from the property left by her deceased father . Hence Fatimah had all the rights to have share from Fadak , owned by her father . In no means Caliph Abu Bakr could seize it from her .

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Secondly , we have evidences from the Qur’an that Prophet Solomon inherited from his father David who was also a Prophet . Solomon inherited from his father the spiritual assets like Prophet-hood , wisdom ,knowledge ,scriptures , power over winds , birds and jinns etc. as well as the earthly materials like the whole kingdom and whatever inside of it .To prove that we will start inshALLAH with following verse:

[027:016] And Sulaiman was Dawood's heir, and he said: O men! we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given all things; most surely this is manifest grace.

Please pay a notice how Almighty ALLAH describing what Solomon was inherited from his father David . HE , the Exalted used ‘We have been given all things ‘ <&#1608;&#1575;&#1608;&#1578;&#1610;&#1606;&#1575; &#1605;&#1606; &#1603;&#1604; &#1588;&#1574; &#1575;&#1606;>
. “Kullu Shayyin”<All things> clearly covered both earthly and non-earthly assets that Prophet David owned and inherited to his son Solomon.
Now we may need to search the clues from the Qur’an on what Prophet David possessed. The following verse pointed out this quest:
[038:017] Bear patiently what they say, and remember Our servant Dawood, the possessor of power; surely he was frequent in returning (to Allah).
[038:018] Surely We made the mountains to sing the glory (of Allah) in unison with him at the evening and the sunrise,
[038:019] And the birds gathered together; all joined in singing with him.
[038:020] And We strengthened his kingdom and We gave him wisdom and a clear judgment.
[038:021] And has there come to you the story of the litigants, when they made an entry into the private chamber by ascending over the walls?

The following information can be gleaned from the above verses :
- Prophet Solomon had a powerful kingdom.
- He had a palace/chamber surrounded by wall.

Qur’an confirms that David obtained that kingdom after defeating Goliath and his army:

[002:250] And when they went into the field against Goliath and his hosts they said: Our Lord! Bestow on us endurance, make our foothold sure, and give us help against the disbelieving folk.

[002:251] So they routed them by Allah's leave and David slew Goliath; and Allah gave him the kingdom and wisdom, and taught him of that which He willeth. And if Allah had not repelled some men by others the earth would have been corrupted. But Allah is a Lord of Kindness to (His) creatures.
There is also little description of the kingdom of David which was promised for the children of Israel at the realm of Prophet Moses :

[005:020] And when Musa said to his people: O my people! remember the favor of Allah upon you when He raised prophets among you and made you kings and gave you what He had not given to any other among the nations.
[005:021] O my people! enter the holy land which Allah has prescribed for you and turn not on your backs for then you will turn back losers.
[005:022] They said: O Musa! surely there is a strong race in it, and we will on no account enter it until they go out from it, so if they go out from it, then surely we will enter.
[005:023] Two men of those who feared, upon both of whom Allah had bestowed a favor, said: Enter upon them by the gate, for when you have entered it you shall surely be victorious, and on Allah should you rely if you are believers.
[005:024] They said: O Musa! we shall never enter it so long as they are in it; go therefore you and your Lord, then fight you both surely we will here sit down.
[005:025] He said: My Lord! Surely I have no control (upon any) but my own self and my brother; therefore make a separation between us and the nation of transgressors.
The reason for bringing the set of the verses above is to demonstrate the fact that the kingdom of David was physical kingdom in which powerful people used to stay and it had a entrance gate .

Now putting verses 38.17-21 , 2.250-251 and 05.20-25 altogether , it can be confirmed that the mighty Kingdom that Prophet David possessed was an earthly kingdom , not spiritual as Sunni People may can argue .
Hence , in Qur’an ALLAH (swt) has approved the heirs from the Prophet and no where there is any instruction to oppose .

Conclusion : According to the Qur’an , Fatimah is the legal heir of Prophet Muhammad and had the right to possess the Orchard of Fadak . The hadith that Caliph Abu Bakar brought forth is vague in this regard .

 

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Re. : Tarawih Salah (Prayer in the night of Ramadan)
Shia : It is a Bidah (Innovation) and should be abandoned .
Sunni : It is rewardful and should be followed .

Analysis from the Qur'an​

01.
We all know that the Tarawih is a night prayer which usually takes place with in 10-15 minutes latter the Isha Salah gets finished . This part of the night can be categorized under the first part of its span ( In summer it is around 9:00 o’clock and in winter around 7:30 o’clock .) . Now if we cast our attentions at the pages of the Quran, we can observe with ease that ALLAH , the Most High never mentioned any prayer after Isha Salah till the mid night . Naturally ALLAH , the Omnipotent validates this rule for all the twelve months which includes the month of Ramadan in due course . ALLAH , the Most Praised says :

[24:58] O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants and the children who have not attained puberty (before entering your rooms). This is to be done in three instances - before the Fajr Salah, at noon when you change your clothes to rest, AND AFTER THE ISHA SALAH. THESE ARE THREE PRIVATE TIMES FOR YOU. At other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. GOD thus clarifies the revelations for you. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

Hence the time after Isha Prayer is our private time . We can spend this time with our wives, we can go to sleep and we should be relaxed and undisturbed. The verse mentioned above doesn’t mention any specific month; hence it should be applicable for any month of a year. . In fact Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) followed this divine commandment of the GOD Almighty rightly. Obviously he didn’t violate this rule in Ramadan as ALLAH, the Glory be fitted to HIM only , no where instructed him to do so .

02.
Lets read the following noble verses from the Quran :

[2:185] Ramadan is the month during which the Quran was revealed, providing guidance for the people, clear teachings, and the statute book. THOSE OF YOU WHO WITNESS THIS MONTH SHALL FAST THEREIN. Those who are ill or traveling may substitute the same number of other days. GOD wishes for you convenience, not hardship, that you may fulfill your obligations, and to glorify GOD for guiding you, and to express your appreciation.

[2:183] O you who believe, FASTING is decreed for you, as it was decreed for those before you, THAT YOU MAY ATTAIN ‘TAQWA’ .

ALLAH , Exalted HE to be , mentioned in the above noble verses that the month of Ramadan should be observed through the fasting . This fasting will help us to achieve the ‘Taqwa’ so that we will be intimate with our LORD in an extent level. In addition with fasting there is another form of worship is mentioned in the Ramadan which is mentioned in the following verse :

[2:187] ….. THEN STRICTLY OBSERVE THE FAST TILL NIGHTFALL AND TOUCH THEM NOT WHILE YOU REMAIN IN THE MOSQUES FOR DEVOTION. These are the limits imposed by Allah, so approach them not. Thus Allah expoundeth His revelation to mankind that they may ward off (evil).

This form of prayer by staying in Mosque is known to the Muslim as ‘Ittiqaf’ . Being separated from materialistic busy life, a Muslim can enjoy the spiritual devotion and soul-nourishment to please our LORD ALLAH by staying in Mosque in the sacred month of Ramadan . Though this ayat didn’t mention any limit of nights that a Muslim can stay in the mosque but scholars fixed it as the last ten days of Ramadan on the basis of the following verse :

[89:2] And the ten nights .

Whatever its limit is ,the above verses from the Holly Quran shoving us to the fact that in the Ramadan there is two forms of Prayer exist : one is fasting and the other is ‘Ittiqaf’ which are not observed generally in the rest of the eleven months of the year . Apart from these two things all other common forms of prayers, e.g., Salah , Tahajjud etc. will be performed as usual. Hence ‘Tarawih’ is not an essential prayer of the Ramadan month as some Muslim emphasized . But it is a matter of great pity that some Muslims even went such further that if a Muslim doesn’t not pray ‘Tarawih’ , he has been given the title of kafir or be regarded as the sinner .

03.
ALLAH , the Omniscient says :

[2:187] Permitted for you is sexual intercourse with your wives DURING THE NIGHTS OF FASTING. They are the keepers of your secrets, and you are the keepers of their secrets. GOD knew that you used to betray your souls, and He has redeemed you, and has pardoned you. Henceforth, you may have intercourse with them, seeking what GOD has permitted for you. YOU MAY EAT AND DRINK UNTIL THE WHITE THREAD OF LIGHT BECOMES DISTINGUISHABLE FROM THE DARK THREAD OF NIGHT AT DAWN. Then, you shall fast until sunset. Sexual intercourse is prohibited if you decide to retreat to the masjid (during the last ten days of Ramadan). These are GOD's laws; you shall not transgress them. GOD THUS CLARIFIES HIS REVELATIONS FOR THE PEOPLE, THAT THEY MAY ATTAIN SALVATION.

The above verse from Sura Baqarah Almighty ALLAH clearly deals with the nights of the Ramadan. In the night of Ramadan we can have our private times with our wives which collaborating with verse 24:58 and we can keep on eating and drinking till the dawn . Should there be any special prayer ever existed after Isha Salah in the fasting month , the Most Knowledgeable ALLAH would never forget to mention that prayer in the above verse . The last part of the verse is really remarkable to pursue the fact :

“…GOD THUS CLARIFIES HIS REVELATIONS FOR THE PEOPLE, THAT THEY MAY ATTAIN SALVATION.”

This statement of ALLAH , the Most High simply means that whatever important for us to do in the night of Ramadan is being mentioned clearly on the top , hence there should be no chance of doubt (to add or to subtract apart from what GOD said) concerning it .

This is for sure that sexual intercourse , eating and drinking are suppose not be more important to GOD , the Most Merciful for HIS servants than the prayer which is dedicated for HIS worship . In verse 2:187 , ALLAH’s (swt) silence about the Tarawih prayer and HIS declaration about the other affairs are referring us to pursue that Tarawih is really not prescribed by the Omniscient ALLAH . Well an unconditional commemoration of ALLAH , the Most High should be carried on in any parts of the day and night in our lives as HE says :

[76:25] And commemorate (Wazzakaru) the name of your Lord day and night .
[7:205] You shall remember your Lord within yourself, publicly, privately, and quietly, day and night; do not be unaware.

But this commemoration of GOD , the Merciful is unrestricted , shapeless and flexible for any time of the year and not of the type of the ‘Tarawih’ which is formal , specific , time bound and conditional .

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04.
Tahajjud or Qiam-e-Lail or Salatul-Lail , whatever the name is of , this night prayer is mentioned with paramount importance in the holy Quran . This meditative prayer of the middle night is very useful in the spiritual flourishment of our soul towards the understanding of the secrets of ALLAH’s (swt) identity. The last prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) practiced this ‘Tahajjud’ with great emphasis and some of his companions (May ALLAH’s pleasant be upon them ) followed Rasul’s footstep too in this regard . The Most Merciful ALLAH has recorded and praised this mid-night contemplative practice in the following verse :

[73:20] YOUR LORD KNOWS THAT YOU STAND (FOR MEDITATION/TAHAJJUD) DURING TWO-THIRDS OF THE NIGHT, OR HALF OF IT, OR ONE-THIRD OF IT, AND SO DO SOME OF THOSE WHO BELIEVED WITH YOU. ….Whatever good you send ahead on behalf of your souls, you will find it at GOD far better and generously rewarded. And implore GOD for forgiveness. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

This Tahajjud prayer is also mentioned in some other places of the Quran . What theses verses are notifying us is, this meditative prayer should be practiced all around the year . As the Ramadan is the blessed month , this Tahajjud should be practiced with more care and solemnity . It will be evident to mention here that this tahajjud prayer which has a deep rooted support in ALLAH’s (swt) book , has no relation with the practice of ‘Tarawih’ which is anonymous and alien in the Quran . This comment is mentioned here because of the reason that some Muslims now-a-days are trying to relate human-fashioned ‘Tarawih’ with GOD-fashioned ‘Tahajjud’ for seeking some support in favor of them from the Quran . The following logical observations of the Quran will nullify the issue as well:

(a) Lets ponder on the following verses in connection of tahajjud :

[73:1] O you cloaked one.
[73:2] MEDITATE DURING THE NIGHT, EXCEPT RARELY.
[73:4] OR A LITTLE MORE. AND READ THE QURAN WITH ‘TARTHIL’.

[73:20] Your Lord knows that YOU MEDITATE DURING TWO-THIRDS OF THE NIGHT, OR HALF OF IT, OR ONE-THIRD OF IT, and so do some of those who believed with you.


[17:79] SOME PART OF THE NIGHT , you shall perform Tahajjud a largess for you , that your Lord may raise you to an honorable rank.

All the above verses are mentioning the ‘Tahajjud’ time as the middle part of the night which span can be half or more than half or less than half of the night . But the ‘Tarawih’ is performed in the first part of the night , immediately after the Isha prayer . To have a compact probe into the issue we already mentioned before that ALLAH , the Omnipotent didn’t assign any prayer after the Isha Salah rather appoint the time after Isha Salah for the rest or some personal interaction with our wives (see verses like 24:58,11:114 etc. also) so that we should go to bed as quickly as possible and should prepare ourselves for the Tahajjud and Fajar prayer with ease.

(b) ALLAH , the Most Wise optimized the recitation of Quran in the night prayer according to the physical and mental tolerance of the worshiper . ALLAH , the Most Merciful mentioned in the Quran about this limit of recitation of the Quran :

[73:20] Lo! Thy Lord knoweth how thou keepest vigil some times nearly two-thirds of the night, or (sometimes) half or a third thereof, as do a party of those with thee. Allah measureth the night and the day. He knoweth that ye count it not, and turneth unto you in mercy. RECITE, THEN OF THE QURAN THAT WHICH IS EASY FOR YOU. He knoweth that there are sick folk among you, while others travel in the land in search of Allah's bounty, and others (still) are fighting for the cause of Allah. SO RECITE OF IT THAT WHICH IS EASY .

It’s really a pity that the ‘Tarawih’ prayer directly violates this divine commandment of ALLAH , the Most Magnificent by fixing a definite number of verses to be recited each and every day . While the Taraweeh prayer is running it would be seen that not only the old people among the Muttadi but also so many young ones are sitting or walking scattered in the mosque relaxing due to the pressure of this unbearable recitation in the Tarawih . Even so many among them who use to stand steadfast in the Tarawih for the whole period also feel the pain of their physical and mental incapability but they do so thinking that ALLAH , the Most Merciful will reward them . But if they could have followed the divine commandments of verse 73:20 , ALLAH , the all Watcher could have given them more rewards than their anticipation . ALLAH , the Exalted says :

[2:286] GOD NEVER BURDENS A SOUL BEYOND ITS MEANS……

[4:28] GOD WISHES TO LIGHTEN YOUR BURDEN, FOR THE HUMAN BEING IS CREATED WEAK.

[7:157] "follow the messenger, the Ummi prophet (Muhammad), whom they find written in their Torah and Gospel. He exhorts them to be righteous, enjoins them from evil, allows for them all good food, and prohibits that which is bad, AND UNLOADS THE BURDENS AND THE SHACKLES IMPOSED UPON THEM. Those who believe in him, respect him, support him, and follow the light that came with him are the successful ones."

(c) The general rule of ‘Khatame Tarawweh’ is to finish the whole Quran on the 27th of Ramadan . Hence the Hafiz-e-Quran needs to read that much portion of the Quran each and every day so that the whole Quran will be getting finish by 27th of Ramadan and in the same time in such a speed that the Muttadi will not complain . In some mosques this Khatam is been done in 10 days or even in a week . The result is the speedy and haphazard recitation of the noble Quran . This fact is not unknown to even the casual attendant of Tarawweh in the Ramadan . In fact it is not the fault of the Hafiz of the Taraweeh but the mode of Tarawweh set by the people compels him to do so . He has no choice other than this . But as a consequence we are violating the divine instructions of ALLAH , the Most Magnificent :

[ 75:16] DO NOT MOVE YOUR TONGUE WITH IT TO MAKE HASTE WITH IT,

[73:1] O you cloaked one.
[73:2] Meditate during the night, except rarely.
[73:4] Or a little more. AND READ THE QURAN WITH ‘TARTHIL’.

The meaning of ‘Tarthil’ is not unknown to any sincere Muslim reader. It means to recite a sentence in a simple and in an accurate manner (Mufrad) , not to recite hastily but to recite it after realizing its internal meaning and significance (Qurtubi) , to recite each and every haraf clearly (Mazhari) etc.

Now we can pursue easily that the way the Quran is being recited in the Taraweeh congregation is nothing but the mockery to our LORD’s commands . May ALLAH , the Almighty guide this Ummah according to HIS revealed words .

Conclusion : According to the Qur'an , Tarawih is baseless and has no religious value in performing so .

 

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Salaam to all.
Note i am not debating but just enlightening the truth.
In Shia adhan you have an addition.
Ash-hadu anna Aliyan wali-ul-lah.
I testify that Ali is the wali(viceregent) of Allah.
This is an addition and hence Beda't.
Beda't will eventually lead to sherk and Kufr.
Salaam
Farouk

Firstly, you need to know that according to Sunnism, the Adhan is not Waqfi (restricted to the sentences mentioned) , and that is why The Sunnis added:
As-Salatu Khairun min An-nawm (prayer is better than sleeping!)
They also deleted "Haii Ala Khairi Al-Amal"

Secondly, there are many titles under which things can be said during the Adhan, as we say "Allahuma Salli ala muhammadin wa al muhammad" in the adhan.

Finally. don't discuss the details before finishing with the basis, the Imamah and the pillars of Islam.

 

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Union, I found the website you plagiarized. Nice try. But I'd take more from actual scholars.

 

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Union, I found the website you plagiarized. Nice try. But I'd take more from actual scholars.

That was a Shia website .
Nevertheless sources are stipulated clearly for independent verification . Thanks .

 

[farouk]

Firstly, you need to know that according to Sunnism, the Adhan is not Waqfi (restricted to the sentences mentioned) , and that is why The Sunnis added:
As-Salatu Khairun min An-nawm (prayer is better than sleeping!)
They also deleted "Haii Ala Khairi Al-Amal"

Secondly, there are many titles under which things can be said during the Adhan, as we say "Allahuma Salli ala muhammadin wa al muhammad" in the adhan.

Finally. don't discuss the details before finishing with the basis, the Imamah and the pillars of Islam.

Peace
Shia-Islam all your concerns(attacks) on Sunnism answered by an ex-Shia.
https://answersforshiafriend.wordpr...-by-an-ex-shia-al-salatu-khayrun-min-al-nawm/

Please study everthing so there is no need for us to discuss and repeat your concerns.
Peace
farouk

 

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Salam Farouk & Shia Islam . Please stick to DIR rule . Thanks .

 

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Re.: Shia Imams are superior to the Prophets except Prophet Muhammad.
Shia : Yes , it is one of the important tenets of Shiasm .
Sunni : No, Prophets are superior than any human being .

Analysis from the Qur&#8217;an​

Almost 25 names of the Prophets mentioned by ALLAH (swt) in Qur&#8217;an whereas none of the Shia Imams mentioned by name in Qur&#8217;an .The stories of the Prophets is one of the major aspects of Qur&#8217;an through which ALLAH (swt) urged us to seek guidance. ALLAH (swt) repeated their stories here and there in Qur&#8217;an just to establish how important they were and their stories for the believers. To establish trust on them is made an obligation for the believers :

[002:177] It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the prophets; and giveth wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the God-fearing.

In turns , it was also incumbent upon the 12 Shia Imams to believe on those Prophets without which they would never be believers . This logically made the Prophets of Islam already superior than the Shia Imams. The vice versa is not at all proven from the Qur&#8217;an .

Secondly , frequently ALLAH (swt) mentioned in the Qur&#8217;an that HE has chosen the Prophets from the human beings . This is logically understood as the Almighty GOD has given the most important job of conveying HIS message to the world. This succession was over with the last Prophet Muhammad with HIS last message, i.e., the Qur&#8217;an conveyed by Prophet Muhammad to us.

[003:032] Say: "Obey God and His Apostle": But if they turn back, God loveth not those who reject Faith.
[003:033] God did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-
[003:034] Offspring, one of the other: And God heareth and knoweth all things.

[019:058] These are they unto whom Allah showed favour from among the prophets, of the seed of Adam and of those whom We carried (in the ship) with Noah, and of the seed of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom We guided and chose. When the revelations of the Beneficent were recited unto them, they fell down, adoring and weeping.

[006:084] And We bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob; each of them We guided; and Noah did We guide aforetime; and of his seed (We guided) David and Solomon and Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good.
[006:085] And Zachariah and John and Jesus and Elias. Each one (of them) was of the righteous.
[006:086] And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot. Each one (of them) did We prefer above (Our) creatures,
[006:087] With some of their forefathers and their offspring and their brethren; and We chose them and guided them unto a straight path.
[006:088] Such is the guidance of Allah wherewith He guideth whom He will of His bondmen. But if they had set up (for worship) aught beside Him, (all) that they did would have been vain.
[006:089] Those are they unto whom We gave the Scripture and command and prophethood. But if these disbelieve therein, then indeed We shall entrust it to a people who will not be disbelievers therein.
[006:090] Those are they whom Allah guideth, so follow their guidance. Say (O Muhammad, unto mankind): I ask of you no fee for it. Lo! it is naught but a Reminder to (His) creatures.

Finally , we will see from the following verses that Prophet Ibrahim prayed to ALLAH (swt) for a messenger from his progeny through his son Prophet Ishamel . That was done and fulfilled with the arrival of Prophet Muhammad. This was from Almighty ALLAH&#8217;s part to accept the prayer of Prophet Ibrahim and to keep HIS promise to choose Messengers from Prophet Ibrahim&#8217;s progeny .

[002:128] Our Lord! And make us submissive unto Thee and of our seed a nation submissive unto Thee, and show us our ways of worship, and relent toward us. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Relenting, the Merciful.
[002:129] Our Lord! And raise up in their midst a messenger from among them who shall recite unto them Thy revelations, and shall instruct them in the Scripture and in wisdom and shall make them grow. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Mighty, Wise.

In addition to that , in Qur&#8217;an we found that ALLAH (swt) praised some of HIS Prophets beautifully and admirably . ALLAH (swt) didn't even care to mention a single Shia Imam , even of the contemporary Aimah , e.g., Ali , Hasan and/or Hussain who were alive at the time Qur&#8217;an was revealed . How is it possible to even imagine that Shia 12 Imams are superior and higher in rank than those noble Prophets ?

[019:041] And make mention (O Muhammad) in the Scripture of Abraham. Lo! he was a saint, a prophet.

[019:051] And make mention in the Scripture of Moses. Lo! he was chosen, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

[019:054] And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

[019:056] And make mention in the Scripture of Idris. Lo! he was a saint, a prophet;

[19:33] "And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected."
[19:34] That was Jesus, the son of Mary, and this is the truth of this matter, about which they continue to doubt.

[019:012] (And it was said unto his son): O John! Hold fast the Scripture. And we gave him wisdom when a child,
[019:013] And compassion from Our presence, and purity; and he was devout,
[019:014] And dutiful toward his parents. And he was not arrogant, rebellious.
[019:015] Peace on him the day he was born, and the day he dieth and the day he shall be raised alive!

[037:114] And We verily gave grace unto Moses and Aaron,
[037:115] And saved them and their people from the great distress,
[037:116] And helped them so that they became the victors.
[037:117] And We gave them the clear Scripture
[037:118] And showed them the right path.
[037:119] And We left for them among the later folk (the salutation):
[037:120] Peace be unto Moses and Aaron!

Conclusion : According to the Qur'an , Shia Imams are not superior than the Prophets .

 

[Matemkar]

Salam.. Well, brother union, same DIR rules say:
"DIR areas are not to be used as cover to bash others outside the faith."
You are supposed to explain your beliefs here and not give misinformation about other islamic faiths.. And I won't bother start threads for discussions. As I am not here to discuss. I just want to clear misinformation I see, and I oppose highlighting certain texts here.

I will mention few points in this thread.

God assigned successor. You can study it with the article "Imamat in Quran" by Mutahhari for example.

Ahlulbayt in the Quran is same as ahl-al kisa which you can study here: A Shi'ite Encyclopedia Chapter 1.a Version 2.0 October 1995

Aimmah (Imams/Leaders) are divinely appointed. Even, the two verses you mentioned about imams of disbelievers say, "we made them imams." God made them so.. Divine appointment.. Anyway, we are talking about imams of believers calling to heaven.. They are also appointed.. Quran 2:124 mentions appointment of Prophet Abraham as imam: "I will make you an imam for the people." And he asks the same for his progeny which includes the progeny of beloved Prophet Muhammad.. And God accepts the prayer except for sinners. So, there has to be infallibles to be appointed as imams including Abraham (which denies both the claim you made about divine appointment and infallibility.)

Again, you claim you are following Quran, but you are highlighting some verses and misinterpreting both Quran and shia and sunni hadiths.. Even when you quote all relevant verses in Quran, the deduction you make is unhealthy..

An example would be tawassul/intercession.. Even when you quoted 5:35 where it says seeking waseelah, tawassul/intercession is mandatory, you say we should refrain from it.. And the other verses you quoted are irrelevant, because tawassul/intercession is not that you call on others.. It is that you invoke God by your relation to the ones that are near to God.. Please study it here: A New Analysis of Wahhabi Doctrines

The Shahada/Testimony for example is also another matter where you pick verses in Quran but not analyse them wholly.. See Quranic verses about magicians testimony about God when they see the miracles of Moses: "They said, "We have believed in the Lord of the worlds, The Lord of Moses and Aaron."" (Quran, 7:120-122) Thus, they made it clear, they believe in the religion of Moses and Aaron in their testimony, and differantiated from other monotheistic faiths.. Another example, "And when I (Allah) revealed to Al-Hawariyyun (the disciples) [of 'Îsa (Jesus)] to believe in Me and My Messenger, they said: "We believe. And bear witness that we are Muslims." Quran; 5:111 Do you not see the testimony of al-hawariyyun, who acted according to the revelation they got? Their testimony includes affirmation in belief of God and Prophet (of their time).. Likewise, when we testify, we make it clear we believe in God and Prophet Muhammad.. Lastly, again you shared misinformation, shia islamic testimony does not differ from that of sunnis and it does not require shahadah/testimony in the wilayah/guidance of Imam Ali.. (But, it is suggested to recite in adhan..) And we believe those who do not believe in imamah/leadership are still muslims..

In the case of taqiyya again. Here's a booklet written by shia muslims Taqiyah and believe me they are more restrictive on taqiyya. For instance you limited it only to vital matters. whereas shiites restrict it more.. like we believe, leaders can not do it, because their followers might not understand what they say/do is out of taqiyya, and they might follow them in those matters also.. So, it is forbidden for leaders.. And basically, the quotes mentioned in your posts are there because of the history of shia muslims. They were persecuted whereever they were.. So, it was like obligatory for them to save their lives.. And in some places even today it really is..

About ablution. Both in your premises about shia and sunni islamic beliefs and in your conclusion sentence; istead of wiping head, many times you say wiping face which is wrong.

About commemoration in salah. Again misinformation. Shia and sunni islam tells the purpose of prayer and clearly mentions it before and during the prayer as "Qurbatan ilallah", "Ridha Alah" (Nearness to God and seeking his pleasure).. Yet, salutation to the Prophet is there, as in Quran 33:56 orders.

And your claim on belief in supreiority of imams over prophets is quite silly. There might be extremist shias believing so. but, you can not say, it is a tenet in shia islam. Because, shia islamic belief on imamate is based on the Quranic verse about Prophet Abraham being chosen as Imam.. So, Prophets can be imams including Abraham.. So, no such thing as Imams being superior to Prophets in shia islamic belief. Because there are imam prophets.. See, Quran, 2:124.

In the concept of Imam Mahdi; you say;

"In the same time it is also needed to be understood that if Qur'an doesn't mention something, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is absent or unrealistic."

Well, that's something new I heard from you. MashaAllah.. Blessings to you..

Again, my aim in posting this thread is not to discuss matters with you and go against the rules.. It is to correct misinformation given about other islamic faiths, mostly based on picking few quotes, taking them out of context and most importantly, attributing the extremists' beliefs to those denominations.. If you had shared just your beliefs without misinforming or attacking other islamic faiths (as it is also a DIR rule), we would not have to correct it. Thanks. ma salam

 

[Shia Islam]

Peace
Shia-Islam all your concerns(attacks) on Sunnism answered by an ex-Shia.
https://answersforshiafriend.wordpr...-by-an-ex-shia-al-salatu-khayrun-min-al-nawm/

Please study everthing so there is no need for us to discuss and repeat your concerns.
Peace
farouk

So you call my reply to your open attach on Shia islam as an Attack.

It's good that you confessed of being unable to reply to the facts i brought about your religion...

And citing the website you gave (which is exploited below) show that you are not sure about the truth of your religion...

It's very clear that your are in doubt about your religion. Be honest to yourself and start searching.

As of the website you gave ....

Since the new wave of turning to Ahlulbayt a.s (that is turning to Shia Islam) by well known sunni scholars, the wahhabis started to make up fake stories of Shia turning to Sunnism.

Let me say it to you openly: Anyone who finds Ahlulbayt a.s. will not leave them FULLSTOP

In the Gulf Arab countries, the Wahhabi governments have been forcing the Shia to learn their religion in government schools for decades....and failed to convert any Shia to Sunnism...

Don't believe the Wahhabis...

Nobody will leave the light to....

Now do need me to bring you a list of Sunni scholars who came to Shia Islam...A list that you can't deny...

 

[Starsoul]

Re. : The successor of Prophet Muhammad .
Shia : Prophet's cousin Ali and his family.
Sunni : Prophet's companion Abu Bakar/Omar/Uthman etc. .



There isnt justice and truth in even the starting para of this conversation, how can the rest even be trusted for its authenticity?

For instance, how can you even define sunni according to your own misperception? People adhering to the sunni madhab assign respect to All the family members of the Prophet saww, and ALL the companions.

shiites however , through some undefined legacy of jealousy, only tend to show respect the Prophets family, and diss and disrespect the companions other than the Prophet's family. Thats how Shias should define themselves if they actually care so much for truth and justice, dont you think?