Shocking assurances in the Quran

[herushura]

The Quran involves various miracles that can be used as proof of its divinity. However, let's focus on one aspect which reflects the Quran's might; foretold truths.

Here are some verses in the Quran which reveal how challenging the Quran is, assurances that can hardly be attributed to Mohamed's own prediction.

1-(30) The Romans (Al-Rum) 1-4

1-4''Alif, Lam, Mim. The Romans have been defeated in the lowest land, but after their defeat they will be victorious within three to nine years. The affair is Allah's from beginning to end. On that day, the believers will rejoice.''

Interpretation:
Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an


2- (48)Victory (Al-Fatt-h)

27''Allah has confirmed His Messenger's vision with truth: You will enter the Masjid al-Haram [Sacred Mosque] in safety, Allah willing, shaving your heads and cutting your hair without any fear. He knew what you did not know and ordained, in place of this, an imminent victory.''

Interpretation:
Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an

3-(111)Thorns (Al-Masad)

1- Condemned are the works of Abou Lahab, and he is condemned.
2-His money and whatever he has accomplished will never help him.
3-He has incurred the blazing Hell.
4-Also his wife, the carrier of the crackling wood.
5-She will be (resurrected) with a rope of thorns around her neck.

Just look at the sheer confidence here. Abou Lahab would have shattered Islam if only he announced that he has become Muslim (even falsely). But no, neither he nor his wife dared to.

Why would Mohamed take this chance of losing everything in an instance?

4- (74) Al-Muddathir

(26)''Soon will I cast him into Hell-Fire.''

The verse refers to another pagan Al-Waleed bin Al-Mougheera.

In the same manner (like Abou Lahab), Al-Waleed has been promised imminent punishment (in the hereafter) during his life. Yet he did not counteract.

Another interesting Quranic story involving Al-Waleed is here:

After the Quran slammed Al-Waleed at the beginning of the Surah, the final declaration in verse 13 was shocking.

(68)The Pen (Al-Qalam)

10-despicable man,- ready with oaths
11-A slanderer, going about with calumnies
12-(Habitually) hindering (all) good, transgressing beyond bounds, deep in sin,

13-Violent (and cruel),- with all that, base-born.

Al-Waleed never knew he was base-born before these verses were revealed by Mohamed PBUH. Al-Waleed went straight to his mother (a pagan), asked her about his birth, and then she confessed that he was base-born. He never knew his father.

There are several other incidents in prophet Mohamed's life which proves he was a true messenger, that I will open another thread for soon.

Sun/Zodiacal Allagorys

27''Allah has confirmed His Messenger's vision with truth: You will enter the Masjid al-Haram [Sacred Mosque] in safety. When "Enter" pops up the sun has entered the next House/mosque of Zodiac

 

[Ben Masada]

sun/zodiacal allagorys

27''allah has confirmed his messenger's vision with truth: You will enter the masjid al-haram [sacred mosque] in safety. when "enter" pops up the sun has entered the next house/mosque of zodiac

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[herushura]

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Thanks for your responsive attitude

 

[Ben Masada]

Thanks for your responsive attitude

Sorry, I didn't have anything to say and I wanted to stop the envelop from flip-flapping. Do you have any other suggestion for the next time? I hate to do that.

Ben:sorry1:

 

[YmirGF]

Sun/Zodiacal Allagorys

27''Allah has confirmed His Messenger's vision with truth: You will enter the Masjid al-Haram [Sacred Mosque] in safety.
When "Enter" pops up the sun has entered the next House/mosque of Zodiac

... and the hits keep on coming ... :thud:

 

[Ben Masada]

... and the hits keep on coming ... :thud:

What hits?

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Muslims oh Muslims. What to do? It worries me why you can not understand. It takes Divine Guidance to give others guidance. It takes Divine Guidance to understand the miracles of the Quran.

Of course, it also takes Divine Guidance for you to understand, YMir. I don't remember you being this ... err ... deriding in the Nuclear prophecy post in the Quranic section. You posted once and then nothing. Maybe it did not interest you on that occasion. http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...-prophecy-nuclear-holocaust-surah-homaza.html.

And Muslims please. A word of advice. Keep the arguments few and high in quality. Presenting 10 arguments at once is not as good as presenting two or one good quality arguments. It makes for easier and shorter debating. Check out the link in this post.

I know I sound a bit arrogant in this post but please do not get the wrong message. Every truth I tell I am quoting/paraphrasing what I have heard and found (through my own reasoning) to be true. Divine Guidance ladies and gentlemen is the only Absolute Truth. I really do pray with tears in my eyes that you understand these points.

 

[Right_Path]

Comparative analysis of 30:4

ar-Rum (The Romans, The Byzantines) 30:4 ‏30:4 في بضع سنين لله الامر من قبل ومن بعد ويومئذ يفرح المؤمنون

Transliteration: Fee bidAAi sineena lillahi al-amru min qablu wamin baAAdu wayawma-ithin yafrahu almu/minoona

Literal: In (a) few years (between 3-9), to God (is) the matter/order from before and from after, and (on) that day the believers rejoice/delight

Yusuf Ali: Within a few years. With Allah is the Decision, in the past and in the Future: on that Day shall the Believers rejoice-
Pickthal: Within ten years - Allah's is the command in the former case and in the latter - and in that day believers will rejoice
Arberry: in a few years. To God belongs the Command before and after, and on that day the believers shall rejoice
Shakir: Within a few years. Allah's is the command before and after; and on that day the believers shall rejoice,
Sarwar: All matters of the past and future are in the hands of God. The believers will enjoy the help of God on that Day.
Khalifa: Within several years. Such is GOD's decision, both in the first prophecy, and the second. On that day, the believers shall rejoice.
Hilali/Khan: Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of Romans by the Persians, and after, i.e. the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that Day, the believers (i.e. Muslims) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persians),
H/K/Saheeh: Within three to nine years. To Allah belongs the command before and after. And that day the believers will rejoice
Malik: within a few years. The command lies with Allah in the past instance as well as in the future. On that day the believers will rejoice[4]
QXP: Within ten years! For with Allah is the Command in the Past and in the Future. And on that day the believers too will have cause to rejoice.
Maulana Ali: Within nine years. Allah’s is the command before an after. And on that day the believers will rejoice
Free Minds: In a few more years. The decision before and after is for God, and on that day the believers will rejoice.
Qaribullah : To Allah belongs the Command before and after, and on that Day the believers will rejoice
George Sale: within a few years. Unto God belongeth the disposal of this matter, both for what is past, and for what is to come: And on that day shall the believers rejoice
JM Rodwell: In a few years. First and last is the affair with God. And on that day shall the faithful rejoice
Asad: within a few years: [for] with God rests all power of decision, first and last. [Lit., "before and after". The defeats and victories spoken of above relate to the last phases of the centuries-long struggle between the Byzantine and Persian Empires. During the early years of the seventh century the Persians conquered parts of Syria and Anatolia, "the lands close-by", i.e., near the heartland of the Byzantine umpire; in 613 they took Damascus and it 614, Jerusalem; Egypt fell to them in 615-16, and at the same time they laid siege to Constantinople itself. At the time of the revelation of this surah - about the seventh year before the hijrah, corresponding to 615 or 616 of the Christian era - the total destruction of the Byzantine Empire seemed imminent. The few Muslims around the Prophet were despondent on hearing the news of the utter discomfiture of the Byzantines, who were Christians and, as such, believed in the One God. The pagan Quraysh, on the other hand, sympathized with the Persians who, they thought, would vindicate their own opposition to the One-God idea. When Muhammad enunciated the above Quran-verses predicting a Byzantine victory "within a few years", this prophecy was received with derision by the Quraysh. Now the term bid (commonly rendered as "a few") denotes any number between three and ten; and, as it happened, in 622 - i.e., six or seven years after the Quranic prediction - the tide turned in favour of the Byzantines. In that year, Emperor Heraclius succeeded in defeating the Persians at Issus, south of the Taurus Mountains, and subsequently drove them out of Asia Minor. By 624, he carried the war into Persian territory and thus put the enemy on the defensive: and in the beginning of December, 626, the Persian armies were completely routed by the Byzantines.] And on that day will the believers [too, have cause to] rejoice


Clearly, the whole idea of some inherent miracle is dependent on the translation used.
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Quran never depends on translation...it is all about meaning...the Arabic meaning...it is all clear, translation is just intended for non-Arabs.

At a time when there was no way the Romans would regroup, the verse was revealed to ensure that they will prevail in a specific time span...how challenging this could be?

Not just that, not a SINGLE fact in the Quran was said and then proved wrong...i gave other assertions if you noticed.

 

[Right_Path]

I have to ask, what makes these miracles, miracles? Do you honestly believe they occured to prove Islam, or are they useful for sources of inspiration when you're feeling down?
I do not think miracles are reasonable or they exist, theres always chance. However, biblical/Quranic miracles are often very very exhaderated, so to me maybe they didn't happen, and divinity is not "proven" this way, they're just there to guide you when you've lost your way???

When I say miracle, I do not mean something that is beyond imagination.

Miracle here means proof, proof that it is divine.

Again, not a single fact mentioned in the Quran proved to be wrong...that is the miracle, that is the proof of divinity.

Quran 13-31

''If there were a Qur'an with which mountains were moved, or the earth were cloven asunder, or the dead were made to speak, (this would be the one!) But, truly, the command is with Allah in all things! Do not the Believers know, that, had Allah (so) willed, He could have guided all mankind (to the right)? But the Unbelievers,- never will disaster cease to seize them for their (ill) deeds, or to settle close to their homes, until the promise of Allah come to pass, for, verily, Allah will not fail in His promise''

 

[Right_Path]

What is it precisely that makes one claim that a certain book is the Word of God
when it has been written by man? In that case, the thing to go after is man and
not the book.

Ben

Written??...you mean revealed to.

Well go after the man....thats right.
and thats exactly why God chose a man that has the characteristics of a true prophet

The life of Mohamed backs the notion of: Quran is word of God.

 

[herushura]

Also his wife, the carrier of the crackling wood. this is a parallel to the Earth Goddess.

Wife is Carrier of Crackling Wood or the Bearer of Earth the Earth Goddess.

Earth goddess is usally repressent as a Female, Because according to genesis Earth give birth to Adam in hebrew litterly means Earth, and Eve was created from adam(earth) this is another parallel to that the Mother is the bearer of life as she gives birth to man.

Sun is usally repressent as a Male Deity like EL or yhwh

 

[YmirGF]

Muslims oh Muslims. What to do?

It might be helpful if Muslims would just stop using these ludicrous so-called "miracles" to prove the divine origin of the "Noble" Qur'an.

It worries me why you cannot understand. It takes Divine Guidance to give others guidance.

If that is indeed the case then your own guidance is evidently somewhat lacking.

It takes Divine Guidance to understand the miracles of the Quran.

Or a generous dose of imagination.

Of course, it also takes Divine Guidance for you to understand, Ymir.

O’ good grief. You do understand that little pink fairies are perfectly real if you believe strongly enough, correct? Granted one must be guided by the Great Pink Fairy otherwise they may not understand what it is they perceive.

I don't remember you being this ... err ... deriding in the Nuclear prophecy post in the Quranic section. You posted once and then nothing. Maybe it did not interest you on that occasion. http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...-prophecy-nuclear-holocaust-surah-homaza.html.

In all fairness, I didn’t think the topic warranted more than I posted. Since this is a continuation of a similar form of delusional thinking, I felt that more needed to be said.

I really do pray with tears in my eyes that you understand these points.

Tut, tut, Tariq. There is no need to cry. If, as you claim above, that Divine Guidance is required for all this rubbish to make a modicum of sense, then it is all out of your hands, now, isn’t it?

Allah knows best, eh.

Quran never depends on translation...it is all about meaning...the Arabic meaning...it is all clear, translation is just intended for non-Arabs.

Are you saying that all these esteemed translations are incorrect then? If so, what exactly are your scholarly credentials?

At a time when there was no way the Romans would regroup, the verse was revealed to ensure that they will prevail in a specific time span...how challenging this could be?

I guess having it serve as the very impetus, against all odds, doesn’t figure into the equation, eh? In my view it was the dream that convinced Muhammed to carry out the mission. It is my perception that Muhammed was clever enough to realize that if he played his cards right that he would get what he wanted more than anything else.

Not just that, not a SINGLE fact in the Quran was said and then proved wrong...i gave other assertions if you noticed.

I keep hearing that, but just repeating something relentlessly doesn’t solidify a claim. As to your other assertions, I’d have to go back and look as they didn’t make much of an impact when I first read them.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

In all fairness, I didn’t think the topic warranted more than I posted. Since this is a continuation of a similar form of delusional thinking, I felt that more needed to be said.

Then can I implore you to be a bit unfair and warrant the topic some more posts?

Tut, tut, Tariq. There is no need to cry. If, as you claim above, that Divine Guidance is required for all this rubbish to make a modicum of sense, then it is all out of your hands, now, isn’t it?

Which is why I pray to God. To remove the preconceived notions you do not wish to let go. In the end, as you said, it is in His hands and not in my weak dialogue skills.

 

[Right_Path]

Are you saying that all these esteemed translations are incorrect then? If so, what exactly are your scholarly credentials?

No...you didn't get my point.

I meant that words of translation could vary in a 100 ways...for example the word (Zalimoon) could mean Polytheists, non-believers, wrong-doers..etc depending on the verse.

However, the original meaning is never changed no matter how different words are used from one translation to another.

I guess having it serve as the very impetus, against all odds, doesn’t figure into the equation, eh? In my view it was the dream that convinced Muhammed to carry out the mission. It is my perception that Muhammed was clever enough to realize that if he played his cards right that he would get what he wanted more than anything else.

And are we supposed to give any attention to 'your perception' at the expense of prophet Mohamed's!

At least he said it was revealed by God, and most importantly...the precise prediction was just fulfilled with perfection...so there is a fine reason to go after the Quran's 'perception'.

'he would get what he wanted more than anything else'...and what would that be?

I keep hearing that, but just repeating something relentlessly doesn’t solidify a claim.

Stating the fact to two different persons does not mean i 'repeat relentlessly'...yet you are unable to refute the fact.

As to your other assertions, I’d have to go back and look as they didn’t make much of an impact when I first read them.

Thats your problem...read again and try your best.