Shooting in Denmark

[Trailblazer]

I wonder if Denmark is turning into a totalitarian state?

Hardly. Is Japan also a totalitarian state?

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

• Japan is a country of more than 127 million people, but it rarely sees more than 10 gun deaths a year.
• Culture is one reason for the low rate, but gun control is a major one, too.
• Japan has a long list of tests that applicants must pass before gaining access to a small pool of guns.

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

The weapons law of Japan begins by stating "No one shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords", and very few exceptions are allowed. Citizens are permitted to possess firearms for hunting and sport shooting, but only after submitting to a lengthy licensing procedure.

Overview of gun laws by nation - Wikipedia

“The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it’s not easy to do. The process is detailed in David Kopel’s landmark study on Japanese gun control, published in the 1993 Asia Pacific Law Review, still cited as current. (Kopel, no left-wing loony, is a member of the National Rifle Association and once wrote in National Review that looser gun control laws could have stopped Adolf Hitler.)

To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you’ll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don’t forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

Even the most basic framework of Japan’s approach to gun ownership is almost the polar opposite of America’s. U.S. gun law begins with the second amendment's affirmation of the “right of the people to keep and bear arms” and narrows it down from there. Japanese law, however, starts with the 1958 act stating that “No person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords,” later adding a few exceptions. In other words, American law is designed to enshrine access to guns, while Japan starts with the premise of forbidding it.”

From: A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

 

[Nimos]

More proof that guns kill innocent people, and more guns means more innocent people are murdered.

That, if correct is a very good response time actually. Yet wasn't fast enough to save 3 people. That's my point.

Never did work, never will work.

Laws will never stop a psychopath.

Well it weren't terror motivated, apparently the guy as we have seen before have posted videos of his weapons on social media and he is apparently known by the mental services, so not really sure how he have gotten hold of weapons, which he apparently have obtained legally, so guess that will have to be explained.

According to an eyewitness, which apparently spoke or/and filmed the shooter during the shooting. He told him or yelled that the bullets weren't real, so either the shooter tried to lie or he might have been in a mental state where he thought they weren't. But that is just speculative.

According to the police the victims that were shot, two 17 years old and one 47 year old, were just random people with no connection to the shooter.

If its a mentally ill person, its obviously very difficult to prevent except making sure that such person can't get access to guns in the first place, so again, not sure how he could get them in the first place.

 

[Nimos]

I wonder if Denmark is turning into a totalitarian state?

I wouldn't be to worried about that, we have 13 political parties and currently our prime minister just avoided a supreme court case for some stuff she/her party did during the covid crisis, which broken the Danish constitution. Also the parties supporting her have encourage her to step down as a result of this, which is basically just to save her, which is part of the normal political game.

So in general the Danes are very free to do what we want.

 

[Nimos]

That is shooter, which the guy filmed.

Vitne møtte antatt gjerningsmann: – Han sa at det ikke var ekte

The stuff he is yelling is "They are not real", from the way he is moving around he seems to be rather confused and in some sort of mental state.

What is really sad (if confirmed), is that the shooter apparently tried to contact psychiatrist help shortly before the shooting, according to Danish medias, but haven't been confirmed by the police. He apparently didn't have legal access to the weapons, but obtained them from his home somehow.

If its true, its sad to see a young man ending up doing something like this, if it could have been avoided, had he gotten the necessary help.

 

[Revoltingest]

More proof gun control doesn't work.

Gun control can work. But "work" doesn't mean
that it must be perfect....only that it improves
things, eg, less carnage.

 

[PureX]

I wonder if Denmark is turning into a totalitarian state?

I looked at the firearms regulations for Denmark, and they aren't very restrictive. They are more restrictive than in the U.S. but otherwise not especially so. They are very reasonable, and could easily be applied to the U.S. if we weren't already whipped up into an insane frenzy over gun-lust.

 

[Polymath257]

Never did work, never will work.

Laws will never stop a psychopath.

But they can discourage them by making access to deadly weapons harder.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Hardly. Is Japan also a totalitarian state?

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

• Japan is a country of more than 127 million people, but it rarely sees more than 10 gun deaths a year.
• Culture is one reason for the low rate, but gun control is a major one, too.
• Japan has a long list of tests that applicants must pass before gaining access to a small pool of guns.

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

The weapons law of Japan begins by stating "No one shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords", and very few exceptions are allowed. Citizens are permitted to possess firearms for hunting and sport shooting, but only after submitting to a lengthy licensing procedure.

Overview of gun laws by nation - Wikipedia

“The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it’s not easy to do. The process is detailed in David Kopel’s landmark study on Japanese gun control, published in the 1993 Asia Pacific Law Review, still cited as current. (Kopel, no left-wing loony, is a member of the National Rifle Association and once wrote in National Review that looser gun control laws could have stopped Adolf Hitler.)

To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you’ll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don’t forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

Even the most basic framework of Japan’s approach to gun ownership is almost the polar opposite of America’s. U.S. gun law begins with the second amendment's affirmation of the “right of the people to keep and bear arms” and narrows it down from there. Japanese law, however, starts with the 1958 act stating that “No person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords,” later adding a few exceptions. In other words, American law is designed to enshrine access to guns, while Japan starts with the premise of forbidding it.”

From: A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

The thing is these cultures are mostly homogeneous and their cultural values are different. The US is a "mutt" country and our values are individualism and capitalism. Most other first world nations value community and loving neighbor as self. Japan has an added bonus of being invested in honor. I wish that somehow we could work toward these values instead of what we focus on.

 

[Trailblazer]

But they can discourage them by making access to deadly weapons harder.

or by making access to them impossible.

 

[metis]

More proof gun control doesn't work.

That simply is not true, but no method is ever going to be 100% effective.

 

[Trailblazer]

Overview of gun laws by nation - Wikipedia

 

[74x12]

Oh thats what i call Christian concern

I wouldn't have gone there if the OP didn't go there first. The OP made this a political point first.

 

[England my lionheart]

More proof gun control doesn't work.

Has the USA even tried it?,to get a gun here isn’t easy and very strict but doesn’t seem the case for the US Supreme Court,walking around with an AR15 is of no consequence whatsoever.

 

[ChristineM]

I wouldn't have gone there if the OP didn't go there first. The OP made this a political point first.

Ahh but you did go there.