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Should a "Christian" faith observe the Sabbath?

james2ko

Well-Known Member
Been trying to do that for years.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Sabbath law is one of observance not worship. One observes a time of R&R, not a time set aside for worship, therefore, isn't the whole "worship on the Sabbath or not" thing really a non-issue?

God commands we get together and worship on the Sabbath:

Lev 23:3
‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Convocation is an act of assembling or meeting.

Acts 13:42
So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

The Gentiles wanted more of what Paul had to say. But they had to wait for the next worship service.
 

Zadok

Zadok
I have some Mormon friends who observe the sabbath, but should they? Are Christians not under the Mosaic law?

To the ancients, G-d spoke to his prophets that recorded divine enlightenment in various written forms. We learn from ancient scripture that the very form that G-d uses to record sacred concepts is itself meaningful. In the beginning the Sabbath was given to man to mark the end of a creative era of covenant of creation because of the final period (day) G-d rested and provided a time of rest as a token of covenant.

Within the format of things given of G-d we learn of the Chiasm. In essence the Chiasm is a literary form where the last become first and the first will become last. Thus the Sabbath which was once at the last part of the covenant has now become the first and the beginning of covenant in preparation to the “end of times”.

Zadok
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
what do you man by 10 ? do you mean Nohide laws?

The 7 Noahide Laws or the Ten Commandments (pretty much the same thing)...Take your pick.... but I was referring to the "Ten Commandments" because Christians are most familiar with them. Mention Noahide Laws and many of them won't know what the heck you're talking about.
 

Zadok

Zadok
The 7 Noahide Laws or the Ten Commandments (pretty much the same thing)...Take your pick.... but I was referring to the "Ten Commandments" because Christians are most familiar with them. Mention Noahide Laws and many of them won't know what the heck you're talking about.

Interesting that the Noahide Laws do not recognize the benedictions of G-d’s covenantal inclusion of "rest" following his initial works of creation or as the covenant of Peace; as presented to Noah.

Zadok
 

Youtellme

Active Member
Interesting that the Noahide Laws do not recognize the benedictions of G-d’s covenantal inclusion of "rest" following his initial works of creation or as the covenant of Peace; as presented to Noah.

Zadok
Just out of interest and this is off topic, but why do you spell it as G-d? It's not his name you know, just a title...:)
 

thedope

Active Member
I regard the Sabbath as the epoch in which we live, a world complete which we are given.
From this perspective we walk on holy ground, always.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
God commands we get together and worship on the Sabbath:

Lev 23:3
‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Convocation is an act of assembling or meeting.
"Meeting" isn't synonymous with "worship." Heads of state meet in special places for summits, but it's not worship.

In fact, for the Christian, since "worship" is derived from the Greek leitourigia, a compound word, itself deriving from laos (people) and ergon (work), hence, "the work of the people," we should not worship on the Sabbath, according to Lev. 23.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
The Sabbath was created for human's sake. That is what Jesus said to those who told Him about healing on the Sabbath. People need a day of rest from work. Once my husband started working 7 days a week, 12 hours a day- he became irritable, over tired, and so on. It is also a day we can spend with our family and spend with God (so to speak).
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The Sabbath was created for human's sake. That is what Jesus said to those who told Him about healing on the Sabbath. People need a day of rest from work. Once my husband started working 7 days a week, 12 hours a day- he became irritable, over tired, and so on. It is also a day we can spend with our family and spend with God (so to speak).
Not to be obtuse, but should we not spend time with God every day?
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
"Meeting" isn't synonymous with "worship." Heads of state meet in special places for summits, but it's not worship.

The original Hebrew words for "holy convocation" are literally translated "meetings of holiness". The NIV translates it as "sacred assembly". If that does not mean getting together somewhere to worship God, then what does it mean?

Furthermore, if a holy meeting isn't synonymous with worship, then Christ did not really worship when he attended the synagogue on the Sabbath (Luke 4:16) and neither did Paul (Acts 17:2). They just met with other worshipers for a summit?

In fact, for the Christian, since "worship" is derived from the Greek leitourigia, a compound word, itself deriving from laos (people) and ergon (work), hence, "the work of the people," we should not worship on the Sabbath, according to Lev. 23.

Are we reading from the same Christian Bible? Lev 23 in mine says the exact opposite!! The NIV in verse two states, ."..which you are to proclaim sacred assemblies." The NLT claims, "...which you are to proclaim as official days for holy assembly. And finally the CEV renders it,"...you must rest on the Sabbath and come together for worship...." Can it be any clearer?
 

tomato1236

Ninja Master
To the ancients, G-d spoke to his prophets that recorded divine enlightenment in various written forms. We learn from ancient scripture that the very form that G-d uses to record sacred concepts is itself meaningful. In the beginning the Sabbath was given to man to mark the end of a creative era of covenant of creation because of the final period (day) G-d rested and provided a time of rest as a token of covenant.

Within the format of things given of G-d we learn of the Chiasm. In essence the Chiasm is a literary form where the last become first and the first will become last. Thus the Sabbath which was once at the last part of the covenant has now become the first and the beginning of covenant in preparation to the “end of times”.

Zadok

I don't know what you're talking about.

This is why you observe the sabbath?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The original Hebrew words for "holy convocation" are literally translated "meetings of holiness".
Does "meeting of holiness" entail worship, as it is defined for the Xian?
If that does not mean getting together somewhere to worship God, then what does it mean?
I don't know. What's the Hebrew word for "worship?" Is it the same as that for "holy assembly?"
Furthermore, if a holy meeting isn't synonymous with worship, then Christ did not really worship when he attended the synagogue on the Sabbath (Luke 4:16) and neither did Paul (Acts 17:2). They just met with other worshipers for a summit?
1) First of all, Jesus was a Jew. Paul, at that point in Acts, was a Xian.
2) Jesus would have followed Jewish law. Paul, probably not.
3) I have no idea what the Jews do on the Sabbath, nor is that particularly germane to the argument. I do know that, for the Xian, worship entails work. I neither know nor care what it entails for Jews.
Are we reading from the same Christian Bible? Lev 23 in mine says the exact opposite!! The NIV in verse two states, ."..which you are to proclaim sacred assemblies." The NLT claims, "...which you are to proclaim as official days for holy assembly. And finally the CEV renders it,"...you must rest on the Sabbath and come together for worship...." Can it be any clearer?
The NRSV is most accurate. It says: "...the seventh day is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation; you shall do no work: it is a sabbath to the LORD throughout your settlements."

It doesn't say "come together for worship." Perhaps for the Jew, worship does not entail work. For the Xian, it does. Furthermore, since Xians are not under Levitican law, the injunction found there is of little consequence to us.
 

thedope

Active Member
Jesus and his disciples were picking and eating grain in one instance on the Sabbath and we hear that the son of man is lord of the Sabbath. Taken in conjunction with the other saying that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath, the Sabbath represents something extant that supports man. God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it. There is no eighth day of creation. We are enjoined to remember the Sabbath to keep it holy. I think ritual observance one day a week represents a limited appreciation of the wholeness and miraculous nature of the world and the gift of life found therein.
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
Romans 14: 4-7

4(H)Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5(I)One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike Each person must be (J)fully convinced in his own mind.6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he (K)gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7For not one of us (L)lives for himself, and not one dies for himself.

For an atheist, you sure know your way around scripture. Unfortunately, as is commonly done, it has been taken grossly out of context. Verses 1-4 identify the subject in context as vegetarianism—not which days should be kept.

Is Paul stating here that Jesus, by His death, did away with the very days He kept throughout His whole life? Of course not. Does he say, “God esteems one day above another” and “God esteems every day alike?” The verse says, “Each person esteems one day above another.” This is telling us that it was something men were teaching not God. Christ is not going to judge us by what any man believes. He will judge us by His Word, the Bible. He says so in John 12:48, “…the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day”

In no way is Paul giving a license to believe whatever you want. God commands, “…and lean not unto your own understanding” (Prov. 3:5). Paul stated, “the holy scriptures…are able to make you wise unto salvation” (II Tim. 3:15). Paul is writing to both Jewish and Gentile converts at Rome. He encouraged them to accept those who were weak in the faith (Rom. 14:1), and to not dispute with them over insignificant matters, nor sit in judgment of them. Some of these newly converted Gentiles, being weak in the faith, were vegetarians and refused to eat meats. Why did Paul break into this thought—about eating meat—and mention “days?”

Notice! Not only were there weak converts who avoided eating meat offered to idols, but there were others who customarily abstained from particular foods. They semi-fasted on specific days. Still others refused to practice a semi-fast or abstain from foods, but regarded every day in the same way! The Jews at the time were divided as to when to fast (Luke 18:12; Zec 7:4-7) The Gentile converts were also divided as to what days to abstain from certain foods. Because of their variety of backgrounds, they could not agree on which days to do this. There were divisions in the congregation. Jesus taught us that fasting is something that is done without making it obvious to others (Matt. 6:16). It is a personal matter, between an individual and God.

The subject of this question surrounded the matter of abstinence of food on particular days—upon which days many voluntarily abstained from certain foods. It did not involve whether to keep or not keep God’s Sabbaths!.

Colossians 2:15-17

15When He had (AJ)disarmed the (AK)rulers and authorities, He (AL)made a public display of them, having (AM)triumphed over them through Him. 16Therefore no one is to (AN)act as your judge in regard to (AO)food or (AP)drink or in respect to a (AQ)festival or a (AR)new moon or a (AS)Sabbath day--17things which are (AT)a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

This scripture is quoted by nearly everyone in an attempt to prove that Paul did away with the Sabbath keeping, Holy Day observance, clean and unclean meats. The truth of the matter is that real meaning of these verses is that Christians should not let people arbitrarily judge their conduct. Only the Church (Col. 1:18)-"the body of Christ" (2:17)-can do this. Notice that the word "is" is italicized. This means that it was not in the original Greek text. By adding it, translators blurred the true meaning of this passage. The NASB version, you quoted above, totally misconstrued the words of the original Greek.

The phrase "in meat, or in drink" (vs. 16), translated from the Greek phrase en broosei ay en posei, meaning "in eating or in drinking." Some ascetics in Colosse were teaching that self-denial and will-worship (vs. 20-22) were God's Way. (See Galatians 4:9-10)

Notice that the first phrase in verse 17 uses the present tense in reference to the Sabbath, Holy Days, etc. It says, in effect, "these days are [not were] a [fore]shadow of things to come." true Christians know that the Sabbath and Holy Days picture the Plan of God, which certainly involves many "things to come." Verse 18 is a final warning to Christians not to let anyone trick them about these important issues-because it is only the Church that was to judge them (vs. 17, end).

The Colossians were Gentiles. They had never known God's Way, and had not previously kept His Sabbaths. In no way do these scriptures do away with God's Laws or Sabbaths! In fact, the Colossians were being criticized by unconverted Gentiles because they were keeping the Sabbath and Holy Days!
 
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james2ko

Well-Known Member
No, Christans are not under the Mosaic Law. Mosaic Law is the Old Covenant. We are beholden to the New Covenant.

God's spiritual laws and statues which include the Ten Commandments, were not done away with the elimination of the Old Covenant because they were never part of it. They were instituted at creation along with the Sabbath and passed down from generation to generation. They are set apart as Holy, just and good (Rom 7:12,14) and they stand forever (Psa 111:7-8).

These are the same commandments, laws, statutes Noah kept. Why do you think God called Noah a "just man, perfect in his generations." (Gen 9:6) What was Noah doing that made him so just? Why did God say of Abraham, " because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."? (Gen 26:5) What were the laws, statutes,and commandments Abraham was keeping if the Mosaic Law had not yet been created?

Jesus claimed, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." (Mat 5:17) If He was doing away with God's Ten Commandments,which includes the Sabbath, why magnify their meaning throughout the rest of the chapter?

The Ten Commandments and many of God's Laws existed before the Old Covenant, therefore they could not be abolished when it ceased to exist. The Old Covenant could not destroy what it did not bring into force. The Old Covenant was merely an agreement to keep these laws which were already in force!

The Patriarchs, Prophets, Jesus Christ, and the Apostles set the example and kept the Sabbath. All people in the future kingdom will keep the Sabbath (Isa 66:23). So why in the world would God, who commanded the Sabbath be kept forever, not expect New Covenant Christians to keep it today? (Heb 4:4,9)
 
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Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
God's spiritual laws and statues which include the Ten Commandments, were not done away with the elimination of the Old Covenant because they were never a part of it. They were instituted at creation along with the Sabbath and passed down from generation to generation. They are set apart as Holy, just and good (Rom 7:12,14) and they stand forever (Psa 111:7-8).

These are the same commandments, laws, statutes Noah kept. Why do you think God called Noah a "just man, perfect in his generations." (Gen 9:6) What was Noah doing that made him so just? Why did God say of Abraham, " because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."? (Gen 26:5) What were the laws, statutes,and commandments Abraham was keeping if the Mosaic Law had not yet been created?

Jesus claimed, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." (Mat 5:17) If He was doing away with God's Ten Commandments,which includes the Sabbath, why magnify their meaning throughout the rest of the chapter?

The Ten Commandments and many of God's Laws existed before the Old Covenant, therefore they could not be abolished when it ceased to exist. The Old Covenant could not destroy what it did not bring into force. The Old Covenant was merely an agreement to keep these laws which were already in force!

The Patriarchs, Prophets, Jesus Christ, and the Apostles set the example and kept the Sabbath. All people in the future kingdom will keep the Sabbath (Isa 66:23). So why in the world would God, who commanded the Sabbath be kept forever, not expect New Covenant Christians to keep it today? (Heb 4:4,9)

I don't know. I only know that church is on Sunday. Sunday is the Lord's Day.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
considering the sabbath was a day set aside for worship, then for a christian, everyday should be considered a sabbath
 

james2ko

Well-Known Member
considering the sabbath was a day set aside for worship, then for a christian, everyday should be considered a sabbath

Yes you are correct. We should worship God everyday. As a matter of fact, we can go to church, pray and sing songs and worship Him all day long. But even God is aware of the fact this is not practical and we would be breaking the same Sabbath commandment by not working (at a job, running errands, chores, etc) the other six days as He also commands.

At the very minimum, God wants us to keep holy or set apart at least one day a week and He was very specific as to which day. He did not leave it to chance or speculation or leave it up to us to decide. Holy means set apart for sacred use. We, as human beings, should not change, question, or manipulate any person, place, thing, or space of time God has made holy. Those who did in the past, paid a heavy price.

In Exodus 3:5 God told Moses to remove his shoes for the place where he stood was holy ground. Moses did not question God. He simply took off his shoes. Moses understood it was God's presence which made the area holy. Similar to the ground around the burning bush, we are commanded, figuratively, to take our shoes off God's holy time--the seventh day--the time that points to Him and has His holy presence in it.
 
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