Should All Christians Pay The Required Temple Tax?

[Flavius]

Sure. He was in hot water with the Jewish followers of Jesus and was trying to show that he had not chucked their scriptures and religion -- even though he really had.

I don't know anything about you, so I couldn't begin to guess what it is about you that makes you imagine I'm angry.

So what you are saying is that Paul was two faced?

Do you think he taught that it was a sin to keep sacrificing but then he turns around to pay for the sacrifice and to be purfied with the sacrifice in order to appease anyone?

He doesn't seem like a very devoted man if his beliefs are so tossed by the wind.

Why did he take part in the sacrifice showing himself to be following the law, and it says, '' HE FOLLOWED THE LAW SUPPLYING THE SACRIFICE HIMSELF TO PROVE THE LIES TOLD AGAINST HIM.''

If I believed Paul to be that two faced, I wouldn't listen to anything he said.

But I love Paul and I would tell you that he's not two faced and Paul did not take part in the sacrifice to save his own skin.

He was purified and paid for the sacrifice because he believed in what he was doing in my opinion.

How can you have it both ways?

You would have me believe that sacrifices ended with the death of Jesus, If that's true, Then what the heck is going on with Paul?

There is no rationalization, He paid and presented the sacrifice according to law because he and his fellow Jews with him were very zealous for the law.

 

[Smoke]

So what you are saying is that Paul was two faced?

Absolutely.

 

[Flavius]

:biglaugh:

I'm glad you laughed, I did say what I said withy a smile on my face.

 

[Flavius]

Exactly. To advocate the rebuilding of the Temple is to say that Christ was not the sacrifice. It's not a position one expects Christians to take.

Whatever do you mean?

Who is advocating that the Christian world should pay for a Temple to be built?

You see, There are many people who believe that Jesus was not the Messiah because the Prophecies of the Messiah state that the Messiah would build the Temple, and if Jesus is the Messiah and he failed to build the Temple, Then I would tend to agree with those people who say,'' Jesus couldn't be the Messiah because he didn't build the Temple''

But the Temple stands right now and to pay the Temple Tax would be confirming that the Temple is built, confirming that Jesus is the King Messiah, and so the people who know their king could confirm this by paying the Temple Tax required to pay.

I don't know how to answer you yet because I don't know how you believe.

If you are an orthodox Jew and you don't see the Temple, I'll try and open your eyes so that you may see it.

I say that a Temple Tax should be payed to the Temple planners because I simply don't know where it should be paid, I only know that it should be paid.

If you present me with the correct Levites and Priests who are deignated by God, I would certainly start sending them my tithes in a heart beat but I've asked about this before and I don't know who those people are.

I sure would like to find out because I would in fact send them money every month and it wouldn't be 5 bucks.

The reason I chose,'' 5'' is because if every christian would only pay that least amount, It would be trillions of dollars.

Numbers 3:45 '' Take the Levites instead of all the firstborn among the children of Israel..........And for the REDEMPTION for the 273 of the firstborn of the children of Israel, who are more than the Number of Levites, YOU SHALL TAKE 5 SHEKELS FOR EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY: YOU SHALL TAKE THEM IN THE CURRENCY OF THE SHEKEL OF THE SANCTUARY.

You see, Each firstborn son has to have a Levite standing in as a Passover lamb of sacrifice in order to redeem each firstborn.

But here in numbers we wind up with 273 people who didn't have a levite standing in for them and so they were required to pay the 5 shekels in order to be redeemed by money instead of a Levite.

Levites stand as substitutes to redeem the people.

There were 22,000 Levites and 22,273 firstborns and so 273 of them had no Levite to stand before God for them. And this is why also, I said,'' 5 Bucks''

Since I do believe in Jesus, I believe I am the firstborn because in Christianity, a person must be born twice.

I live my life by my desires and thus I show the attributes of the firstborn {My Flesh}, But when I believe in a Jewish Messiah, I cast off my own traditions and ways to follow the Jewish Messiah and I believe That I should be baptized and come from the water being Born again, Being born twice.

I look at all flesh as being the firstborn because we are born into this flesh, and so all people are firstborns needing a Levite to stand as their substitute for redemption.

I do believe that I have Jesus standing in for me as that Priest for redemption but because we have this story about 273 people who don't have a Levite for a substitute, That we should all pay the 5 shekels that would cover the sins of the world.

What are the sins of the world?

What is God so angry at that he comes destroying the nations?

In My opinion, God will come fighting everyone who is against Israel and the Jews because the world has always hated them and God will not stand for people hating Israel and the Jews.

God says that the wealth of the world will be brought to the feet of the Jews, But how and why do the kings of the Earth and all nations willingly bring the wealth of the world to the Jews?

I would tell you that the wealth will be brought because the Ark{Like Noah's ark} will be loaded 2 by two.

It will be one Jew beside every gentile and the two shall be as one and there shall be no difference between the two.

I would tell you that one day the Truth will finally be told and the world will understand that the wealth must come to the Jews, via the Temple Tax as is planned.

The Temple does stand right now in my opinion, The Temple design of Ezekiel.

Let's look!

Ezekiel 47 Then he brought me back to the door of the Temple; and there was water, flowing from under the threshold of the Temple..........And it shall be that every living thing that moves, wherever the rivers go, will live..........Because these waters go there; FOr they will be healed, and everything will live wherever the river goes.

Is this Temple standing?

Has the water issued from the Temple and turned the dead sea into life and has the water healed everything which was dead?

According to the New Testament, This in fact has happened and This Temple is standing Now.

 

[Flavius]

The Healing waters of the Temple of Ezekiel.

John 7;37 On the last day, That great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, '' If anyone thirsts, Let him come to me and drink.

''He who believes in me, as the scripture has said, Out of his heart will flow rivers of Living water.''

Jesus said this at the feast of Tabernacles.

At this feast there is the Most important water ceromony which nobody is really sure how it began but Isaiah speaks of it saying,'' Let us draw from the wells of salvation.''

This is a peculiar thing because Jesus said he was this water of the water ceremony on the last great day of the feast, But the Last day of the feast is the day this water ceremony is not performed, and so Jesus is telling us something about the 7th day and water bursting forth on a New day.

I believe Jesus came and laid the foundation of Ezekiel's Temple and it has always been growing because it's expansion does not stop.

Whereas before the Holy place and the Holy of Holies was the Holy places within the Temple, Ezekiel expands the areas of the Most Holy and it's size is twice the size of the city of London.

The water flowing from the Temple in Ezekiel's Temple goes through healing even unto Assyria, and we can see this healing water flowing from the Temple design in Revelation from that great river of healing. The water goes out to the world and there are trees beside the waters from which all nations will be healed because the leaves of the trees are for healing the nations.

So I'm seeing The Temple of Ezekiel right now as Jesus has built it.

First we had a Moving Tabernacle, Then a Temple, Then another Temple.

After Jesus was destroyed his Temple was rebuilt in 3 days time, and so I believe this about his body and his Temple which the eye cannot see but it's nevertheless there.

Then we have the Temple in Revelation whci is the very last Temple.

Each Time and generation has it's own Temple, I believe we are in Ezekiel's right now.

 

[Smoke]

Who is advocating that the Christian world should pay for a Temple to be built?

You are. What do you think the Temple planners are planning to use the money for?

 

[Flavius]

You are. What do you think the Temple planners are planning to use the money for?

It doesn't matter what they would use the Money for, What matters is that Israel sees Christianity as their brothers.

There were two Kingdoms ruling side by side, 2 kings ruling, One in the Northern Kingdom and one in the Southern Kingdom.

The Northern Kingdom refused The Southern Kingdom, Their brothers.

The reason is given and very logical.

The Northern Kingdom refused Jerusalem and the feasts of the Lord, They refused God's appointed Priests and they appointed their own priests from just any families.

These are the sins of Jereoboam which wiped out Ten tribes in Israel, The whole Northern Kingdom.

King Jereoboam knew that if he followed Gopd's word in letting his people go to Jerusalem to the Southern Kingdom to worship, That he would lose his Kingdom and his throne would be taken from him.

He knew that if he allowed his Ten tribes to celebrate the Passover, The Pentecost and the feast of Tabernacles, That his entire Kingdom and his people would revert back to the Southern Kingdom.

So He Built Bethel and Dan and caused his people to go up to the shrines instead of Going to Jerusalem in the Southern Kingdom.

Jereoboam changed the feasts, He changed the days of the feasts like the Feast of Tabernacles which is on the 14th of the 7th month, He changed it to the 8th month.

This feast is designated to be the birth of the Messiah and indeed, Jesus was born on the first day of Tabernacles.


For all of this, Israel departed from Judah and because of this, They all died and were scattered into the Nations to become gentiles, and gentiles they became.

So the entire world and all of History awaits the return of these lost sheep of Israel, these ten tribes of Ephraim under the name of Joseph.

The entire world waits for this prodigal nation to return.

The New Testament, Paul, Jesus, Peter, John and all the disciples explain in very much detail that Gentiles are grafted through these lost ten tribes of Israel.

So at Pentecost, The spirit was given to gentiles to add them into Israel via the ten lost tribes.

So these Gentiles stood side by side with Judah and together both started being killed by the world.

For 100 years after Jesus, These grafted in gentiles stood with their new brother Judah.

But in 135 during Hadrians rule, Christianity being afraid of death, departed and seperated themselves from their brothers, the Jews.

Just like Jereoboam before them, They changed the feasts, they changed the location of the Holy place, and they appointed their own Priests from any people they chose.

And so history repeated itself again.

The whole world waits upon the return of the lost sheep of Israel to return to it's brother, the Jews.

If all Christians began paying the Temple tax, It would show the Jews that the prodigal son wishes to return to it's brother and the father, and this is the point.

It doesn't matter what they do with the money, what matters is Christians being willing to unite with Judah.

A Temple cannot be built, But even if it could be built, It's neither here nor there, what matters is unity.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, The days are coming, says the Lord, '' when I will make a new covenant withe THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH.

The covenant is only given to these two houses and nobody else.

If you are not among one of these Houses, You have no covenant in Israel.

The House of Israel has been lost for 2700 years, and it was lost for 700 years before Jesus was born.

Jesus came first and called all Israel unto him, He didn't come for Gentiles and he told us this twice.

He came for all Israel by blood and tradition.

On the day of Pentecost the spirit went out to gentiles for the first time and the Gentiles were called to fill the void of the Ten lost tribes which had been long lost.

And so Gentiles came in and were grafted into Israel via the lost Northern Kingdom called Joseph, called the House of Israel , which is in the hands of Ephraim, Joseph's son.

That lasted for 100 years and then history repeated itself, This newly found House of Israel once again seperated from Judah, and once again they became lost.

Now, In these last days, The call has gone out again for the prodigal son to return.

The original sin of this lost house of Israel is not going to Jerusalem for God's feast at his Holy place.

The original sin of this lost Kingdom is not choosing God's Temple in Jerusalem, Intead they built Bethel, Dan and Later they even built for themselves a Temple in Shechem.

So you see, for Christians to pay a Temple Tax is exactly turning the original sin away from them, showing the brother of Judah that the Lost house wishes to return and is willing to pay the Temple Tax required.