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Should Anything Be Done About Syria?

Should any (non-military) measures be taken to aid Syrian civilians?

  • Yes: We cannot just watch as civilians are killed

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • No: It is none of our business

    Votes: 7 41.2%
  • Other (please specify in the thread)

    Votes: 6 35.3%

  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Suppose that the option of taking any military action against Syria were completely taken out of the picture. Would you then be in favor of any other methods to aid the Syrian civilians who are trapped in the civil war? And if so, what would those be?
 
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Jiggerj

Member
Let's be clear here. The poll was about NON-military measures. As a U.S. citizen I want to send food, clothing, and medicine to the four corners of the planet.

We should NEVER try to lead the world by force, but by example. Can we fix a region of the world that has been broken for 12,000 years; no matter how many bombs we can drop the answer will always be absolutely not.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Can we fix a region of the world that has been broken for 12,000 years; no matter how many bombs we can drop the answer will always be absolutely not.
Twelve thousand years?

What a stunning example of gross historical ignorance wedded to naive American exceptionalism. The US has been around for less that a quarter of a century -- compare that to the Abbasids.
 

Ablaze

Buddham Saranam Gacchami
Humanitarian aid in the form of basic provisions and medical services. Non-violent diplomatic resources as well. Definitely no military intervention.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
I voted "Other".

So long as we don't fan the flames, then we don't have to get involved and "assist". So basically, no aid, but also no weapons or any military intervention etc.

No money or weapons for Team 1 or Team 2. This is their civil war, let them sort it out.

 

Jiggerj

Member

Jiggerj

Member
Twelve thousand years?

The US has been around for less than a quarter of a century -- compare that to the Abbasids.

Less than a quarter of a century? The U.S. has been around for just 250 years and look at the difference.

We have equal rights for women. Does the Middle East? We don't put women in prison for being raped. We don't kill people for being gay. We don't cane our wives and children. It is against our laws to beat our wives and children. We don't throw acid at our daughters for wanting to learn.

In the United States it's called pedophilia when a perverted adult touches an 11 year old girl inappropriately; in the Middle east it's called marriage.

In the U.S. we don't call for the death of someone because we don't like the book he wrote or riot over the cartoon he drew.

And, oh yeah, we don't 'HONOR KILL' our kids!

We figured out all of our human rights in just 250 years. The Middle East has had FOURTEEN THOUSANDS YEARS to get it right. Talk about your epic FAIL!!!!

No, my comment was dead on.
 
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Moishe3rd

Yehudi
Yes.
Remove, as in eliminate the Assad family and government.
Then warn its patron, Iran, to "stand down" or it will be next.
Then, if Iran does not stand down, eliminate the government of Wiliyat al Fiqh, which has been at war with the US since it brutally attacked us in 1979.
Then move on to other Arabist/Islamist players until they stop murdering each other.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
Yes.
Remove, as in eliminate the Assad family and government.
Then warn its patron, Iran, to "stand down" or it will be next.
Then, if Iran does not stand down, eliminate the government of Wiliyat al Fiqh, which has been at war with the US since it brutally attacked us in 1979.
Then move on to other Arabist/Islamist players until they stop murdering each other.

LOL - indeed let's kill all these darn muslims to stop them killing each other!


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Moishe3rd

Yehudi


LOL - indeed let's kill all these darn muslims to stop them killing each other!


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No. Not all Muslims. Only the Islamists and Arabists who are responsible for directing the slaughter.
Or, we could just leave them alone and hope that the nuclear fallout or chemical attacks against the "Far Enemy" leaves a remnant of the world intact...
Our current American policy is certainly based on this Hope that they will Change.
Good luck with that...
 

Monk Of Reason

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lol. wow. 3 votes for each choice. Nice.

I voted other as I think there are things we can do without getting directly involved that would work better for us in the long run. This is just another excuse for people to make money off war mongering. There are wrose things happening in the world right now and America doesn't even bat an eye. Why is Syria so special? War mongering and potential profit.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
No. Not all Muslims. Only the Islamists and Arabists who are responsible for directing the slaughter.
Or, we could just leave them alone and hope that the nuclear fallout or chemical attacks against the "Far Enemy" leaves a remnant of the world intact...
Our current American policy is certainly based on this Hope that they will Change.
Good luck with that...

LOL - Arabists? :eek:

And for crying out loud, Iran is not going to start firing nukes, just relax.
 

InformedIgnorance

Do you 'know' or believe?
No. Not all Muslims. Only the Islamists and Arabists who are responsible for directing the slaughter.
The problem with that being we have every indication that left to their own devices the rebels will slaughter everyone else (including those not involved in Assad's regime).

The Syrian civil turmoil IS our business, it is our responsibility even, however there is a finite number of ways that we can legitimately influence the situation.

War is not one of them as under the current circumstances it appears that such a move would be illegitimate under international laws to which we are supposedly subject and are supposedly looking to enforce upon Syria. There are however numerous other ways we could look to influence the situation including diplomacy, contractual agreements, aid, sanctions, public relations, appeals to a trusted third party (such as Russia, China and to a lesser extent (given Syria's recent history with them) the Arab League or MENA) and more.

The question is what do we do if every legitimate course of action open to us is unable to bring about the change we desire; would we then have the right to pursue illegitimate courses of action? I would argue no as that sort of action would directly undermine the system of norms that we are attempting to enforce of Syria, instead perhaps we might look to legitimize one of those courses of action currently deemed illegitimate, but therein lies a far from black-and-white dilemma, in that pursuing such an approach underscores the transience of those norms, the fragility and subjectivity with which they have been framed and adopted - not to mention being a slippery slope.
 
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