Should Christians Be Keeping the Sabbath?

[BummerBeavis]

The problem here in not that you are not super smart.

The problem here is that, when it comes to Paul (or the gospels) you are not even minimally literate. To be in that position and, at the same time, claim to know the facts is both laughable and intellectually irresponsible.

you are correct. I incorrectly said Paul wrote what Luke wrote. My mistake and I made corrections

 

[Desert Snake]

you are correct. I incorrectly said Paul wrote what Luke wrote. My mistake and I made corrections

Jesus without Paul is a rebel quasi Rabbi malcontent who if He had no divine authority, spoke against the very Judaic traditional beliefs you seem to be implying He supported. It makes no sense.

 

[BummerBeavis]

Jesus without Paul is a rebel quasi Rabbi malcontent who if He had no divine authority, spoke against the very Judaic traditional beliefs you seem to be implying He supported. It makes no sense.

Yesua is the son of God and has nothing to do with the self proclaimed apostle

 

[Desert Snake]

Yesua is the son of God and has nothing to do with the self proclaimed apostle

Great, fine, wonderful. Then just please tell me, (no one ever does), how that affects belief in His divine nature, which parts of the Bible you don't follow, what OT laws we should be keeping, so forth. You have to detail this because for all intents and purposes it is a new religion, we don't know what the tenets are.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

excuse me but Luke was not an apostle so Paul was never confirmed by Yeshua or the apostles . thank you.no need to insult me and I did correct my error. still my argument you have not refuted

But you have made no argument. You simply made a pathetically ill-informed claim.

Now you tell us: "Luke was not an apostle so Paul was never confirmed by Yeshua or the apostles."

But what does Luke say about Paul's relationship with the apostles? Was Luke right? Was he mistaken? Was he simply lying? Or, for that matter, did he say anything relevant at all? You haven't a clue.

Yet you believe that you have the credibility to instruct others. Seriously?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yesua is the son of God and has nothing to do with the self proclaimed apostle

And you know this from what writings other than, of course, Paul (who you castigate as a serial liar) and Luke (about whom you are embarrassingly ignorant)?

 

[BummerBeavis]

And you know this from what writings other than, of course, Paul (who you castigate as a serial liar) and Luke (about whom you are embarrassingly ignorant)?

Ok sir. You win. you can follow that murderer all you want. If you can refute my argument then do so. Yes I miss spoke and corrected my error. So are you going to keep insulting me? If so then I would rather not debate with you as I am not willfully insulting you.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Ok sir. You win. you can follow that murderer all you want.

I'm Jewish.

If you can refute my argument then do so.

What argument? You claim that Paul is a liar and assert: "Yesua is the son of God and has nothing to do with the self proclaimed apostle."

Again: What is your source? Did you read it? … dream it? … see it in some vision on the road to Damascus?

 

[2ndpillar]

A reminder that the Sabbath is a day of the week that runs from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

BTW, gentiles are not under any obligation to follow Jewish Law, but they can obviously do so if they wish.

Dear metis,
Isaiah 56:6 begs to differ with your point of view. Sunday observance was proscribed by the establlisher of the Roman Universal Christian Church, the emperor Constantine, in his law of 321 AD. Of course he is the beast with two horns like a lamb, and his followers are those "who dwell on the earth" (Rev 13), and have been deceived.

“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

 

[Desert Snake]

Dear metis,
Isaiah 56:6 begs to differ with your point of view. Sunday observance was proscribed by the establlisher of the Roman Universal Christian Church, the emperor Constantine, in his law of 321 AD. Of course he is the beast with two horns like a lamb, and his followers are those "who dwell on the earth" (Rev 13), and have been deceived.

“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

And who is 'profaning the Shabbat?'
I'm not under any Rabbinical council, no ones dictates how I keep Shabbat.

 

[Simplelogic]

And who is 'profaning the Shabbat?'
I'm not under any Rabbinical council, no ones dictates how I keep Shabbat.

The Torah does.

 

[Simplelogic]

Jesus without Paul is a rebel quasi Rabbi malcontent who if He had no divine authority, spoke against the very Judaic traditional beliefs you seem to be implying He supported. It makes no sense.

Yeshua spoke out against man made laws. Paul spoke out against God's law. Two different things.

 

[Simplelogic]

Great, fine, wonderful. Then just please tell me, (no one ever does), how that affects belief in His divine nature, which parts of the Bible you don't follow, what OT laws we should be keeping, so forth. You have to detail this because for all intents and purposes it is a new religion, we don't know what the tenets are.

As many as humanly possible. We are not responsible to keep commandments which were only meant for the Temple if there is no Temple standing.

 

[Desert Snake]

The Torah does.

The Torah is 'someone'? It's a non-argument.

 

[Simplelogic]

And you know this from what writings other than, of course, Paul (who you castigate as a serial liar) and Luke (about whom you are embarrassingly ignorant)?

Have you considered the possibility that James and the apostles accepted Paul early on. Even then they didn't call him an apostle. Paul was a self proclaimed chameleon who pretended to be Jewish in order to win Jews:

19For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more. 20To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; 1 Cor 9: 19-20

 

[Simplelogic]

The Torah is 'someone'? It's a non-argument.

Why. It tells us how to keep the Sabbath.

 

[Desert Snake]

Why. It tells us how to keep the Sabbath.

Therefore? How does that affect my not being under Rabbinical authority?
If your just 'saying it' to say it, .. ,--> okay.

 

[Simplelogic]

Therefore? How does that affect my not being under Rabbinical authority?
If your just 'saying it' to say it, .. ,--> okay.

I didn't realize that Rabbinic authority was even being discussed. Sorry about that. No, I don't believe you need to be under any Rabbi save Yeshua.

 

[Desert Snake]

I mean, you just tossed a plain falafel in my direction, no sauce, and not telling me to catch it. You didn't say, well, Shabbat means no doing such and such etc.
-'lighting fire'. I think this only means literally lighting a fire. Like an effort.
-computer. it's ok Shabbat activity
-hard work, no, not allowed
work at a 'job', not preferable, only if totally necessary.

 

[Simplelogic]

I mean, you just tossed a plain falafel in my direction, no sauce, and not telling me to catch it. You didn't say, well, Shabbat means no doing such and such etc.
-'lighting fire'. I think this only means literally lighting a fire. Like an effort.
-computer. it's ok Shabbat activity
-hard work, no, not allowed
work at a 'job', not preferable, only if totally necessary.

Agreed. It is about us trusting YHVH and resting when He says to rest. Its not an OCD concept which mandates the opinions of 1000 Rabbi's.