Should Christians Be Keeping the Sabbath?

[Jayhawker Soule]

How do you know any author of scripture is credible? The truth is credible. People can tell truths and lies -but God will prove the truth to those he chooses.
The truth is that the sabbaths should be kept. God is the author of the truth.

^ drivel ...

 

[metis]

Dear metis,
Isaiah 56:6 begs to differ with your point of view. Sunday observance was proscribed by the establlisher of the Roman Universal Christian Church, the emperor Constantine, in his law of 321 AD. Of course he is the beast with two horns like a lamb, and his followers are those "who dwell on the earth" (Rev 13), and have been deceived.

“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;

The Sunday observance actually occurred much earlier than that, but it was more of an evolution than a revolution. In the Didache, there's mention of the early church members meeting on Sunday for the "agape meal", and this was written somewhere around 100 c.e. Since the church had become increasingly gentile, and since following of the Mosaiic Law became relatively unimportant, there was a shift from Shabbat (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown) to "the Lord's Day" (Sunday). Even though we cannot attach a specific year to this transition, it was long completed prior to the end of the 2nd century.

BTW, quoting Isaiah doesn't apply to what you posted as the citation deals with our Jewish observance, not Christian's.

 

[Yes]

How do you know any author of scripture is credible? The truth is credible. People can tell truths and lies -but God will prove the truth to those he chooses.
The truth is that the sabbaths should be kept. God is the author of the truth.

The Sabbaths were about what was coming. The Sabbaths were a teaching tool. The Sabbaths were a shadow. The reality is found in Jesus Christ. Observing special days is nothing anymore. Jesus is all that matters.

 

[Etritonakin]

Then why will the whole world keep the feast of tabernacles -even during the time it foreshadows?

Even the weekly sabbath is a memorial of what has been -creation and God's rest.

It is a teaching tool for all generations.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles

The sabbaths are about what has happened -is happening -and will happen in the future.

Christ did not tell anyone to not keep the sabbaths.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

 

[Yes]

Then why will the whole world keep the feast of tabernacles -even during the time it foreshadows?

Even the weekly sabbath is a memorial of what has been -creation and God's rest.

It is a teaching tool for all generations.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles

The sabbaths are about what has happened -is happening -and will happen in the future.

The Sabbaths are about Jesus Christ and being IN Jesus, and Jesus being IN US. It is not about our being in a day. The special days were teaching tools.

Christ did not tell anyone to not keep the sabbaths.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

When Jesus died on the cross, God NAILED THE RULES AND REGULATIONS TO THE CROSS.

While the temple still stood...the Pharisees and teachers of the law (who rejected Jesus)...they still sat in Moses' seat. That means they still had the power to make the people obey the old law about temple worship. The Pharisees would have put people in jail, tortured, and put to death for not obeying the old laws.

See Colossians 2:14, Matthew 23:2, and Hebrews 9:8.

 

[2ndpillar]

The Sunday observance actually occurred much earlier than that, but it was more of an evolution than a revolution. In the Didache, there's mention of the early church members meeting on Sunday for the "agape meal", and this was written somewhere around 100 c.e. Since the church had become increasingly gentile, and since following of the Mosaiic Law became relatively unimportant, there was a shift from Shabbat (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown) to "the Lord's Day" (Sunday). Even though we cannot attach a specific year to this transition, it was long completed prior to the end of the 2nd century.

BTW, quoting Isaiah doesn't apply to what you posted as the citation deals with our Jewish observance, not Christian's.

Isaiah 56:6 refers to the "foreigners" (Gentiles), which would include the "Christians". As for people eating meals on the first day of the week, I am sure you can find references were they ate on all 7 days of the week. The official changing of the day of rest was done by Constantine in 321 AD. Sunday was the day of the sun, the day of Constantine's pagan god Sol Invictus. It was Constantine who estabilished the "Christian" church and its pagan traditions at his Council of Nicaea, in the year 325 AD. This included the day for keeping the pagan feast of Astarte (Easter) and the birthdate of the sun god (Sol Invictus), which was 25 December.

 

[JM2C]

Nothing here or anywhere else in scripture, when taken in its proper context, suggest non-Israelites are justified. The Israelite ancestry of the Galatians is revealed in Gal 3:23-28.

Gal 3:23-28 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the [Old Covenant] law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.

”before faith came” or “before this Christian faith came” from verse 22 that was promise through Abraham v14, the Law of Moses came first, not to the Gentiles but for the Jews only. Now, Paul says in verse 24 “Therefore the Law of Moses was our tutor”

The “our, us and we” in vv24-25 as in us Jews and not “you” in vv26-27 Gentiles. IOW, Paul was explaining to the Gentiles that the Law of Moses given after 430 years to us Jews did NOT “set aside the covenant previously established by God” or the promise of God to Abraham v14. In verse 28 Paul says,

Gal 3:28 There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus.

IOW, Paul is saying to the Gentiles, you don’t need to be a Jew or follow the Law of Moses to be in Christ, or “And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise. –Galatians 3:29” And not according to the Law of Moses..

 

[JM2C]

who wrote Acts paul? You show me where The Father or his Son or the apostles he taught for 3.5 years called paul an apostle. You can not. neither could I and I used to believe as you do now. If you follow paul you do not keep the 10

The four Gospels was about the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus. Paul met the risen Christ. IOW, Paul was not in the four gospels. Paul wrote about the risen Christ and not the earthly ministry of Christ on which Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote. Paul never met the Lord Jesus in His human state or in His earthly ministry, but on His resurrected state. Please read Acts and Paul’s epistles or the NT for better understanding.

God gave the 10C to Moses for the Israelites in Exodus 20. If you are not a part of the Semitic Jews that “God brought out of the land of Egypt” –Exodus 20:2, then you are a Gentile. Changing religions will not change you genetically.

 

[JM2C]

God’s Law was given exclusively to the Israelites.

Hence suggesting the Galatians gentiles were Israelite descendants from the ten tribes unwittingly living as Greek citizens. Similar to myself and the African Buba Clan. If the Greek Galatians were non-Israelites, God broke his promise in Psa 147:19-20 by giving his laws (which includes the law of love) to another [gentile] nation!!!

Gal 4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.

Gal 4:9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?

Paul described the Galatians here as pagans “slaves to those who by nature are not gods”

Compare these verses here

Eph 2:12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

The Gentiles here were not even the half-Gentile/Samaritans. They were pagans and not in any way part of the 10 lost tribes of Israel.

Mt 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the Gentiles/pagans the same?

 

[JM2C]

The problem here in not that you are not super smart.

The problem here is that, when it comes to Paul (or the gospels) you are not even minimally literate. To be in that position and, at the same time, claim to know the facts is both laughable and intellectually irresponsible.

I really "LIKE" this one

 

[james2ko]

Gal 4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.

Gal 4:9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?

Paul described the Galatians here as pagans “slaves to those who by nature are not gods”

Compare these verses here

Eph 2:12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

The Gentiles here were not even the half-Gentile/Samaritans. They were pagans and not in any way part of the 10 lost tribes of Israel.

Mt 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the Gentiles/pagans the same?

Let's rightly divide God's Word and see who were the gentiles to whom Paul was sent. But first you have to answer these questions which I have asked twice and you have ignored:

Can you find me an OT reference where all twelve tribes were definitively referred to as Jews? Also, I would like for you to tell me how you interpret this passage:

Joh 7:35 Then the Jews said among themselves, "Where does He intend to go that we shall not find Him? Does He intend to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?​

 

[JM2C]

Let's rightly divide God's Word and see who were the gentiles to whom Paul was sent. But first you have to answer these questions which I have asked twice and you have ignored:

Can you find me an OT reference where all twelve tribes were definitively referred to as Jews? Also, I would like for you to tell me how you interpret this passage:

Joh 7:35 Then the Jews said among themselves, "Where does He intend to go that we shall not find Him? Does He intend to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?​

harping the same tune again. Asked and answered already my friend.

 

[james2ko]

harping the same tune again. Asked and answered already my friend.

Then you should have no problem copying and re-posting your reply to these specific questions. Mi amigo.

 

[BummerBeavis]

The four Gospels was about the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus. Paul met the risen Christ. IOW, Paul was not in the four gospels. Paul wrote about the risen Christ and not the earthly ministry of Christ on which Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote. Paul never met the Lord Jesus in His human state or in His earthly ministry, but on His resurrected state. Please read Acts and Paul’s epistles or the NT for better understanding.

God gave the 10C to Moses for the Israelites in Exodus 20. If you are not a part of the Semitic Jews that “God brought out of the land of Egypt” –Exodus 20:2, then you are a Gentile. Changing religions will not change you genetically.

yep all according to the liar and the murderer and self proclaimed apostle Paul who taught a satanic false doctrine leding countless to hell with him

 

[Etritonakin]

The Sabbaths are about Jesus Christ and being IN Jesus, and Jesus being IN US. It is not about our being in a day. The special days were teaching tools.


When Jesus died on the cross, God NAILED THE RULES AND REGULATIONS TO THE CROSS.

While the temple still stood...the Pharisees and teachers of the law (who rejected Jesus)...they still sat in Moses' seat. That means they still had the power to make the people obey the old law about temple worship. The Pharisees would have put people in jail, tortured, and put to death for not obeying the old laws.

See Colossians 2:14, Matthew 23:2, and Hebrews 9:8.

We'll just have to disagree -though I should point out that you did not actually answer the question (Then why will the whole world keep the feast of tabernacles?)

You can't be in Christ if you do not obey the law -and keeping the holy days is part of the first commandment -not to mention the specific commandment about the weekly sabbath.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I strongly suggest you reconsider teaching that people should not keep the commandments of God.

Matt 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

I Cor 5:8
…7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

[BummerBeavis]

We'll just have to disagree -though I should point out that you did not actually answer the question (Then why will the whole world keep the feast of tabernacles?)

You can't be in Christ if you do not obey the law -and keeping the holy days is part of the first commandment -not to mention the specific commandment about the weekly sabbath.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I strongly suggest you reconsider teaching that people should not keep the commandments of God.

Matt 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
this dos not support what you say. You are basing you doctrine on the self proclaimed apostle Paul the liar and murderer

I Cor 5:8
…7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

[JM2C]

If he were referring to ONLY his kinsmen, the first person pronoun "MY" would have been inspired in BOTH passages, right? And he certainly would not say Abraham was also the non-Israelite gentiles' physical father when he mentioned, "Abraham is the father of us all".

”as pertaining or according to the flesh –Rom 4:1 and Rom 9:3” Abraham is the physical father of the Semitic Jews that “God brought out of the land of Egypt” –Exodus 20:2.

According to the promise of God to Abraham –Gal 3:14, i.e., before giving the Law of Moses –Gal 3:17, Abraham is the father of the Gentiles by faith –Gal 3:29, Rom 4:16.

The only way a Gentile can be a part of Abraham is by faith in the Lord Jesus and not by the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses came 430 years later. If by promise, i.e., before the Law of Moses came, Gentiles can have the first claim on Abraham as their father, not genetically of course, but through faith.

“Abraham is the father of us all/Jews and Gentiles –Rom 4:16” through faith in the Lord Jesus and not by the Law of Moses –Gal 2:16.

 

[JM2C]

yep all according to the liar and the murderer and self proclaimed apostle Paul who taught a satanic false doctrine leding countless to hell with him

Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance. –Will Durant

 

[BummerBeavis]

”as pertaining or according to the flesh –Rom 4:1 and Rom 9:3” Abraham is the physical father of the Semitic Jews that “God brought out of the land of Egypt” –Exodus 20:2.

According to the promise of God to Abraham –Gal 3:14, i.e., before giving the Law of Moses –Gal 3:17, Abraham is the father of the Gentiles by faith –Gal 3:29, Rom 4:16.

The only way a Gentile can be a part of Abraham is by faith in the Lord Jesus and not by the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses came 430 years later. If by promise, i.e., before the Law of Moses came, Gentiles can have the first claim on Abraham as their father, not genetically of course, but through faith.

“Abraham is the father of us all/Jews and Gentiles –Rom 4:16” through faith in the Lord Jesus and not by the Law of Moses –Gal 2:16.

The Test of Knowing Him
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Paul was a liar. we are to keep the 10

 

[james2ko]

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”as pertaining or according to the flesh –Rom 4:1 and Rom 9:3” Abraham is the physical father of the Semitic Jews that “God brought out of the land of Egypt” –Exodus 20:2.

According to the promise of God to Abraham –Gal 3:14, i.e., before giving the Law of Moses –Gal 3:17, Abraham is the father of the Gentiles by faith –Gal 3:29, Rom 4:16.

The only way a Gentile can be a part of Abraham is by faith in the Lord Jesus and not by the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses came 430 years later. If by promise, i.e., before the Law of Moses came, Gentiles can have the first claim on Abraham as their father, not genetically of course, but through faith.

“Abraham is the father of us all/Jews and Gentiles –Rom 4:16” through faith in the Lord Jesus and not by the Law of Moses –Gal 2:16.

Is there are reason why you are ignoring my request? I can think of one or two . I'll try one more time:

Can you find me an OT reference where all twelve tribes were definitively referred to as Jews? Also, I would like for you to tell me how you interpret this passage:

Joh 7:35 Then the Jews said among themselves, "Where does He intend to go that we shall not find Him? Does He intend to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?​

Who are those of the dispersion and who are the Greeks.

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