Should drag shows be used as a teaching tool in schools?

[ADigitalArtist]

Instead of focusing on the transphobia and appeal to nature fallacy of this post I'm just going to point out...

Hmmm - Id say that anything unnatural should be avoided altogether and NEVER promoted in any way shape or form as being "normal" when it clearly it not...

Clothing isn't natural. It is literally the quintessential definition of a human construct, even in religious terms. So naked school time is go!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Please be direct. What are you saying to me.

I wasn't saying anything specifically to you. Rather I was commenting on the numerous posts that placed assumptions about the proposed drag shows rather than realizing their assumptions are baseless and not what the article states.

Do you mean -we- dont choose our identity?

No one chooses their sexuality or their gender. It is a choice that I identify as a metalhead, but I could no more choose a female identity than I could being an Aspie.There's not much to teach. I was born, my brain formed one way, my body the other, and my only choice was take charge of my own life and not be miserable because of the standards set by others.

No. We should be taught about sexual identity and what it means to LGBT.. to identify how they choose.

Or we could work towards normalizing LGBT, dissipate the otherness, and allow that group to function within and as a part of "normal" society rather than as "others." I do strongly feel we need to educate about LBGT issues, what such things mean, and assurance and emphasis that they too are regular, normal people who are most likely just as mundane and boring as any other Dick, Tom, Jane, or Sally. The part I'm disagreeing with is that it's chosen.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As an example, think of how policies like this would go over in the most conservative areas of the USA. (Not well, I'd assume.)

It wouldn't. Rather we find the opposite, where American Conservatives fight for the so-called "religious freedom" to discriminate.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I wasn't saying anything specifically to you. Rather I was commenting on the numerous posts that placed assumptions about the proposed drag shows rather than realizing their assumptions are baseless and not what the article states.

No one chooses their sexuality or their gender. It is a choice that I identify as a metalhead, but I could no more choose a female identity than I could being an Aspie.There's not much to teach. I was born, my brain formed one way, my body the other, and my only choice was take charge of my own life and not be miserable because of the standards set by others.

Or we could work towards normalizing LGBT, dissipate the otherness, and allow that group to function within and as a part of "normal" society rather than as "others." I do strongly feel we need to educate about LBGT issues, what such things mean, and assurance and emphasis that they too are regular, normal people who are most likely just as mundane and boring as any other Dick, Tom, Jane, or Sally. The part I'm disagreeing with is that it's chosen.

Choosing I mean, choosing to identify with who you are. For example, I spoke with a woman who transitioned ten years ago. She has always been a woman "and" she finally chose to identify as a woman because that is who she is internally.

Same with the rest of the "letters". Thats why some say they are gay, others queer, for example. Its a personal expression of oneself. Thats how I define sexual identify and gender. Gender is a part of me and my biological outlook matches my internal outlook so thats how I identify. I cant imagine feeling one way and knowing Im another. In my humble opinion, I would personally go crazy.

It depends on the person. A Lot of straught people see their gender and sexual identity as just that. Ohers dont.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

No Sex Ed, either?

If a kid really requires sex ed in their schooling curriculum, I'd say their parents, peers and own natural curiosity has failed them.

I always found sex ed to be a huge goof in school. And it was always funny to catch on to how awkwardly the teachers would approach it. And who knows who could be teaching it? - It could be taught by a pervert or some frigid weirdo who doesn't really know anything.

 

[MD]

I particularly love the suggestion to refer to the kids as "comrade". Geepers, where have I heard that before? One does have to remember that this "toolkit" was designed by the ultra left wing Alberta Teachers Association which exists in a deeply conservative province in Canada.

Just some background here. Alberta has voted Conservative for the last several decades, but a year ago, in a fit of disgust propelled the highly unexpected election of the NDP (Socialist light) party to victory. Already Albertan's are having buyers remorse and it is almost a certainty that the next time they head to the polls the NDP will be sent back to the Twilight Zone.... along with a great many of their policies and programs.

Voting history:

The province has been ruled by four "dynasties": the Liberal Party (1905–1921); the United Farmers of Alberta (1921–1935), the Social Credit Party (1935–1971), and the Progressive Conservative (PC) Association (1971–2015). No minority government has ever been elected.


My take on this is that the fledgling and soon to be forgotten NDP government is trying to cram through as much social change in the short window of opportunity they have which will almost guarantee their removal from power in the future and for the foreseeable future. I suspect this "toolkit" will be one of the first casualties of the coming Conservative backlash.

Yea I was surprised this is happening in Alberta, even Wynne's sex ed (which is pretty tame in comparison) was met with a lot of opposition in liberal Ontario

 

[YmirGF]

Yea I was surprised this is happening in Alberta, even Wynne's sex ed (which is pretty tame in comparison) was met with a lot of opposition in liberal Ontario

Thanks, comrade! *bursts out laughing*

 

[Twilight Hue]

I kinda think a school is a great opportunity to help people learn about useful life skills, about things like how to look after themselves and keep healthy (good diet etc), how to do tax returns, whatever.

It is. Some things however are better taught and even learned outside the scope of institutional instruction.

It dosent mean danger vs risk shouldn't be taught, but there comes a time where it's best served at a cut off point, where the individual needs to learn once the basics are established.

 

[SomeRandom]

Instead of focusing on the transphobia and appeal to nature fallacy of this post I'm just going to point out...

Clothing isn't natural. It is literally the quintessential definition of a human construct, even in religious terms. So naked school time is go!

Don't forget about the irony of posting that on a computer!! Oh the unnaturalness!

 

[McBell]

Hi Folks...

Hmmm - Id say that anything unnatural should be avoided altogether and NEVER promoted in any way shape or form as being "normal" when it clearly it not...We should not encourage children and minors to adopt or embrace such things at all and in all these gender sexual issues - we bow and accept all manner of unnatural things then pass them on to our children as if it was normal behaviour...Its NOT normal and never was - society has become deluded and wholly confused abnd we are FAILING our children severely nor helping them at all.....

Drag shows - are a way to RIDICULE the unnatural behaviour - they are SARCASM in the extreme.. They literally mock and make fun of the confusion in society.....This may be humorous but still it only ADDS to societies confusion and all this sexual identity rubbish should be kept well away from children altogether.......Society Im afraid on the whole - off down completely the wrong path here with all this sexual freedom malarky...Men SHOULD be men and women SHOULD be women and each should be taught what is expected of them (regarding sexual identity) out in the natural world - nothing more nothing less...we certainly should NOT be encouraging them toward any sexual identity other than their NATURAL sexual identity and indeed should protect their innocence in such things and simply not allow the world to corrupt THEM and the society they will become, as it has already corrupted US and our society we now allow....We are indeed off on entirely the wrong direction here and all this sexual confusion for our children will only deepen the more we embrace unnatural things....

**Climbs Up On Pontoon Boat**

Did I get any of it on me?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'd say their parents, peers and own natural curiosity has failed them.

Parents widely and mostly do (according to one of my text books, over 70% of parents do not talk to their children about sex), peers are a great source for misinformation and fallacies, and natural curiosity will not teach about STIs, contraception, pregnancy, consent, readiness, and other things sexually active adults should know about.