Should George Will Be Fired?

[Revoltingest]

Women's Group Garners 87,000 Signatures Urging WAPO to Fire George Will | Truth Revolt

Objecting to a recent column, a leftist woman's rights group named UltraViolet has garnered 87,000 names on a petition urging The Washington Post to fire Pulitzer Prize–winning columnist George Will, accusing him of mocking sexual assault survivors and saying that women want to be raped."

Did he say what they claim?
Should he be fired?
I say no & no, but what say you?

Keep it civil, folks. We don't want the thread locked.

 

[tytlyf]

mocking sexual assault survivors and saying that women want to be raped.

Did he say what they claim?

I don't know, I can't find out what Ultraviolet actually said. Source?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Women's Group Garners 87,000 Signatures Urging WAPO to Fire George Will | Truth Revolt
Did he say what they claim?
Should he be fired?
I say no & no, but what say you?

Keep it civil, folks. We don't want the thread locked.

My answer is partially yes - I think he mocked sexual assault survivors. I don't think he said that women want to be raped.

I don't think he should be fired.

What he claimed, however, is disgusting and should be called out suggesting that rape survivors are trying to get a privileged status with the university they are attending.

Now if his mockery were based on humor? Then it would be easier to digest, but I don't think George Will ever tries to be funny.

My prescription is to educate him more. I think his knowledge on sexual assault procedures on campuses is sorely lacking.

 

[Revoltingest]

Another link....
UltraViolet | Tell The Washington Post: Fire George Will

 

[kashmir]

I will admit I must be too tired to even understand what he is saying and need it completely dumbed down for me.
I will say though that that situation of the girl saying no, but just laying there and letting him have sex with her, and then 6 weeks later, cries rape, went right over my head.

If she was like 8 or something, I could see how that would be molestation but I can not see how that is rape because she said no, but allowed him to strip her, piece by piece, and apparently, never resisted.
That sounds like seduction to me, and even though she said no, she got turned on and let him do it, but later, felt guilty about doing it.
That is not rape in my eyes, according to what I read.

Plenty of times I was too tired and told my exwife I didn't want to and she basically kept going and eventually I wanted to, as well.
That is called seduction, not rape.
Of course that changes, if he said "I will kill you or hurt you if you resist me"
All I read was a seduction story.
The day seduction becomes rape will prob be the day begging someone to loan you money becomes robbery.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

No. We need to keep monsters like him exposed to the public eye, so the public can recognize the banal face of evil. If ever I have to explain the concept of the banality of evil all I have to do is point to George Will.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I will admit I must be too tired to even understand what he is saying and need it completely dumbed down for me.
I will say though that that situation of the girl saying no, but just laying there and letting him have sex with her, and then 6 weeks later, cries rape, went right over my head.

If she was like 8 or something, I could see how that would be molestation but I can not see how that is rape because she said no, but allowed him to strip her, piece by piece, and apparently, never resisted.
That sounds like seduction to me, and even though she said no, she got turned on and let him do it, but later, felt guilty about doing it.
That is not rape in my eyes, according to what I read.

Plenty of times I was too tired and told my exwife I didn't want to and she basically kept going and eventually I wanted to, as well.
That is called seduction, not rape.
Of course that changes, if he said "I will kill you or hurt you if you resist me"
All I read was a seduction story.
The day seduction becomes rape will prob be the day begging someone to loan you money becomes robbery.

I highly encourage you to be more aware of the definition of consent. Sexual seduction includes consent. Sexual assault includes none.

 

[Revoltingest]

I highly encourage you to be more aware of the definition of consent. Sexual seduction includes consent. Sexual assault includes none.

What's primarily argued over here is what constitutes "consent" vs "no consent".
I don't have precise working definitions, but we should be discussing the same thing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Plenty of times I was too tired and told my exwife I didn't want to and she basically kept going and eventually I wanted to, as well.
That is called seduction, not rape.

This is not so clear under changing law, which appears to be heading towards recognition of females raping males. It would likely depend upon your location & the discretion of a prosecutor or grand jury.

 

[tytlyf]

Another link....
UltraViolet | Tell The Washington Post: Fire George Will

Ok, UV accuses Will of implying 'women want to be raped,' which I don't agree with. At the most Will is implying that women 'want to SAY they've been raped for special privileges.' (which I find absurd)

Did he say what UV claimed? No.
To be fired, no.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

What's primarily argued over here is what constitutes "consent" vs "no consent".
I don't have precise working definitions, but we should be discussing the same thing.

Simply, no means no.

 

[kashmir]

I highly encourage you to be more aware of the definition of consent. Sexual seduction includes consent. Sexual assault includes none.

I am sorry but I was not there and neither was you, we only have a few pieces of the situation, she said no while he started to take off her clothes, he said OK, she laid there with most her clothes off and didnt do anything.
He tested her further and she just laid there and said nothing, as it is written, she said "I already said no"

He is not a mind reader, the story completely smells of seduction.
No force was used, no resistance was used.

That is seduction.
She didnt want to, but let him and did not even put her pajamas back on, and laid in her undies and let him take off them and never said anything, explain that to me plz.
I am not a girl, is this how rape happens?
Consent is arbitrary, she consented by laying there and letting him do everything, one NO at the beginning, does not make it rape.
Again, this is seduction, and she wanted to, but didnt, wanted to but didnt, and later, wished she didnt, that is not rape.
That is her making a bad choice, if she wished she didnt.
One doesn't get to cry rape, because the wished they didnt have sex afterwords.

 

[`mud]

I'm not sure what the color of that pot is....
or does it contain apples or oranges...
is it marmalade or jelly....
~
other than that....Will is normally an ***...and ignorant beside that.
~
Hellllll.....what was that question ?
~
'mud

 

[Revoltingest]

Simply, no means no.

Anyone who spends time arguing in front of a judge will see complexities arise.
Can a "no" ever change to a "yes"? Was there ambiguity? Was anyone's volition
compromised due to intoxication or sleepiness? But if a simple slogan like
"No means no" is the law, then was the poster's wife guilty of rape, even though
he acquiesced? Should she consequently spend a couple decades in the slammer?

 

[kashmir]

Again, I have never ever heard of someone that just lays in bed with someone they knew for a while and lets them slowly strip them over some time and never even gets out of bed, let alone stops the undies from coming off, nor resists is called rape.

If that is exactly what happened and he went to jail, our system is total failure.

Whats to come of us?
Women can just cry rape because they said they didn't want to have sex but got seduced and vice versa and then can cry rape weeks later?

Whats next, talk someone into going on a date and that become kidnapping?

 

[`mud]

About accusing someone of rape....
it should be done rapidly after the action....
as rapidly as possible, to the proper authorities.
No matter the sex or to who it is done.
~
And Will is still an ****.
~
'mud

 

[Revoltingest]

Perhaps the only solution to address the risks of differing standards
of sexual consent is government regulation. This isn't a new idea.
Verbal or Written Permission Could be Required For College Sex | The Informer | Los Angeles | Los Angeles News and Events | LA Weekly
Perhaps a written contract establishing things like time, place,
safe words, prophylactics, liability, etc would be useful, eh?

 

[Revoltingest]

And Will is still an ****.

You should hear what he has to say about your hat!
I like it though.

 

[Koldo]

Simply, no means no.

While on pretty much all situations I would agree with you, there are some odd cases out there such as:

“They’d now decided — mutually, she thought — just to be friends. When he ended up falling asleep on her bed, she changed into pajamas and climbed in next to him. Soon, he was putting his arm around her and taking off her clothes. ‘I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. . . . And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep.’”

This is a specific case that George Will mentioned.

I don't know what to make of that.
The idea that someone would let herself be raped just because she was '' too tired'' to do anything about it just doesn't make sense to me. Particularly when there is no mention of any actual attempt to prevent it.

 

[Koldo]

Again, I have never ever heard of someone that just lays in bed with someone they knew for a while and lets them slowly strip them over some time and never even gets out of bed, let alone stops the undies from coming off, nor resists is called rape.

Actually, out of fear someone could act like that.