Should god -any- make sense?

[Iti oj]

Using your explanation of logic as an ordered line of thought, any religion that has a god that pre-exists time would not be logical.

Not true, your own post argues against that. God existed before space time, logic is a part of space time. God makes space time ergo God also makes logic. No need for logic until after its creation.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I'm not trying to imply stereoptypes here, but, every single person who tried to persuade me into any kind of religion, tried to explain how his/her religion is the one that makes sense, and tried to attack other's logically, just to fail miserably in explaining certain aspects, and retreat to our "minor understanding" as humans >.>

Sorry but I kinda don't buy this =/

"I'm not trying to imply stereotypes here, but …"

Of course not …

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

..., logic is a part of space time.

Why ...

 

[Quintessence]

I'm not entirely sure what the OP means by "make sense." Make sense to whom? By what standard?

I have to agree with illykitty's perspective that humans are quite limited creatures. Inevitably, some aspect of reality is not going to make sense to you by whatever criteria of "making sense" you set. To me, if reality starts making too much sense, then I'm guilty of severe confirmation bias, mistaking my map for the territory, or typical human hubris.

 

[Iti oj]

Why ...

Not my line of thought, Im following some one else's.

 

[Sunstone]

Jeebers to this whole thread.

 

[Tumah]

Not true, your own post argues against that. God existed before space time, logic is a part of space time. God makes space time ergo God also makes logic. No need for logic until after its creation.

I think we might be talking about two different things. I am saying that because G-d exists before time, His being should not be expected to be logical. However, after He creates space-time, then we should expect Him to relate to the world according to the rules He created because His relation to us takes place within the realm He created.

 

[Tumah]

Why ...

It was from an earlier post of someone mentioning that logic is an ordered line of thought. In order to have an ordered line, you need an arrow of time.

 

[Sunstone]

Suppose you had an omnipotent, omniscient, deity with a desire to sustain the universe, but with little or no desire for adhering to logic? What do you think the results might be?

 

[Thief]

Allow me to point out....time does not exist.
Not a force or a substance.
It is only a quotient on a chalkboard.
A means of measure.
Nothing more.

I see the creation as a reflection of it's Creator.

Looks stable to me.

 

[Tumah]

Suppose you had an omnipotent, omniscient, deity with a desire to sustain the universe, but with little or no capacity for adhering to logic? What do you think the results might be?

Why is this not a contradiction?

 

[Iti oj]

I think we might be talking about two different things. I am saying that because G-d exists before time, His being should not be expected to be logical. However, after He creates space-time, then we should expect Him to relate to the world according to the rules He created because His relation to us takes place within the realm He created.

So who created God, why did god create, what did God do before creation etc are all meanless questions bound to logic that did not yet exist.

Allow me to point out....time does not exist.
Not a force or a substance.
It is only a quotient on a chalkboard.
A means of measure.
Nothing more.

I see the creation as a reflection of it's Creator.

Looks stable to me.

perhaps God is like time...

 

[Sunstone]

Why is this not a contradiction?

Change "capacity" to "desire", then.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

Suppose you had an omnipotent, omniscient, deity with a desire to sustain the universe, but with little or no capacity for adhering to logic? What do you think the results might be?

Catastrophic. I'd ask can a god with little to no capacity for logic actually sustain the universe.

 

[Thief]

So who created God, why did god create, what did God do before creation etc are all meanless questions bound to logic that did not yet exist.
perhaps God is like time...

I did not intend to say God does not exist.

Man invented time.
Time is a cognitive device created by Man to serve Man.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

I did not intend to say God does not exist.

Man invented time.
Time is a cognitive device created by Man to serve Man.

Man only created the concept of keeping and measuring time. Time itself is just mass in motion, so man had nothing to do with that.

 

[Tumah]

So who created God, why did god create, what did God do before creation etc are all meanless questions bound to logic that did not yet exist.

Exactly

 

[Iti oj]

I did not intend to say God does not exist.

Man invented time.
Time is a cognitive device created by Man to serve Man.

I know you did not. I was asking a question,comparing God to time.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It was from an earlier post of someone mentioning that logic is an ordered line of thought. In order to have an ordered line, you need an arrow of time.

I wonder if that's true. Applying the rules of inference needs an arrow of time, but it is not at all clear to me that …

if A, then B​

is time-bound. I need to give it more thought ...

 

[Sunstone]

Catastrophic. I'd ask can a god with little to no capacity for logic actually sustain the universe.

Yup. Exactly. One might say god is omnipotent in the sense of being all powerful, but god is certainly not omnipotent in the sense it can sustain the universe by destroying it, or destroy the universe by sustaining it. Except, of course, in some trivial sense of "sustain" and "destroy". Therefore, deity surely adheres to at least some laws of thought.