Greatest I am
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Which God did you judge to have all those flowing attributes?
Or perhaps I should ask which book do you believe?
Regards
DL
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Should God be judged?
- Thread starter Greatest I am
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Which God did you judge to have all those flowing attributes?
Or perhaps I should ask which book do you believe?
Regards
DL
ManTimeForgot
Temporally Challenged
I don't believe in any bloody book. But last time I checked in order to be a being of "cosmic power" you have to live in a realm where "cosmic power" can be wielded. Time may not have any where near the "relevance" at such a level, so on "greater experience" I am perhaps guessing (not as far a leap as you might imagine, since science postulates different "time" progressions for higher dimensions). The greater evidence is quite simple really: all experiences from a "higher realm" will illustrate more advanced principles than our own. Perspective really quite simple again: Existing in a "higher realm" is sort of definitionally "greater perspective." Your "senses" are able to take in more. And as far as intellectual/moral framework: the onus is on humans to show that they have a deity-level understanding. Perhaps we are just as advanced, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it to be shown to be true.
So, deal with it. Either a deity exceeds us in almost every meaningful way, in which case we shouldn't be judging anything OR we are in the same ballpark and can give it our best.
P.S. I don't believe in personal deities; I believe ET exists. And judging "God" as I understand the term to mean is less meaningful than saying someone "frubals eating toast on breakfast."
MTF
So, deal with it. Either a deity exceeds us in almost every meaningful way, in which case we shouldn't be judging anything OR we are in the same ballpark and can give it our best.
P.S. I don't believe in personal deities; I believe ET exists. And judging "God" as I understand the term to mean is less meaningful than saying someone "frubals eating toast on breakfast."
MTF
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
haha this makes me happy 
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
The thing is, your position is no better than any believer because higher realms have yet to be proven as real.
I am in the same position with proving the reality of the cosmic consciousness.
I recognize that many will see my views as imaginary as well.
All you believe in, is imaginary at this point in time.
We can postulate that the higher realm is populated by talking snakes and that that could be just as right as your other imaginations.
Regards
DL
ManTimeForgot
Temporally Challenged
Um... exactly how proven are we talking about? Are you saying that the 11th dimension hasn't been proven as real? Well sure it is just "evidenced" at this point. But saying that there are no higher realms is pure folly. Are you prepared to discard causality so casually as to assume that our universe must be all there is and it sprang forth from absolute nothingness? Sorry not buying it.
And as far as the deity thing goes I don't believe in a personal deity. I was simply assuming the existence of one for sake of argument. If there really was such a thing, then we are not in any position to judge them. I merely put forward the "advanced alien intelligence" definition of "deity" because that is very probable to actually exist. Whereas something which exists supernaturally by "fiat" is rather contradictory and should be discarded.
What can be proven is far less interesting to me than what is likely or what is evidenced. Very few things can actually be proven. Most of these are tautologies or contradictions and those are self-evident in their proof. So on a topic such as this one which calls for speculation I am going to make certain assumptions about cosmology for sake of argument and will allow for certain things which are only "merely very likely" to be true in fact.
MTF
opuntia
Religion is Law
We must make determinations or judgments about people all the time. I think it is the judgment that is made in haste or not reviewing a situation carefully that is being condemned. Must we make a determination about God? Absolutely! If we determine that God is an acceptable being, then we proceed to learning more about Him. We do no less about humans. We either like him or her or them or not. If we do, we try to learn more about him or her or them.
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
No other dimension, not even the one I believe in, that of the cosmic consciousness, has ever been proven. No 11 th or 37 th.
If another dimention were found then we could likely communicate with it or prove it.
If so show where.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Yes, the acceptable should be studied. The unacceptable, like a genocidal God, should be discarded.
All God's should be judged for fitness.
Regards
DL
ManTimeForgot
Temporally Challenged
Um... what are you talking about? For starters PLEASE stop using the word prove. I don't care about proof. I care about evidence. We haven't proven the existence of the third dimension and supposedly we live inside of it. The fourth dimension is well-evidenced. The fifth dimension while not as evidenced as the fourth is pretty well established. And that's all I need. In the fifth dimension one could conceivably see across the fourth dimension as though it were akin to distance.
The point of the argument is not to establish any deity, but rather that where-ever one could be it would have to be a place of greater perspective.
MTF
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Why would it have to be a place of higher perspective? No proof or evidence exists for this statement.
Other dimensions are imaginary at this point in time.
Regards
DL
ManTimeForgot
Temporally Challenged
No. From a Third Dimensional vantage point I am able to see far more of a Two Dimensional plane than a Two Dimensional being ever could. The same holds true for the 4th and 5th dimensions.
From the standpoint of "Time" Three Dimensional space is wide open as "Time" is everywhere. And soon enough we will be probing the fifth dimension. There are several promising avenues for directly confirming the existence of the fifth dimension; photon fluctuations, high energy experiments at CERN and LHC, and the collapse/decay of super-massive black holes.
So yes a being from a higher dimension will mathematically guaranteed have greater perspective than us, and imaginary is hardly the word I would use. Beyond this you are the one who wanted to assume as though higher beings exist. It is rather indicative in the thread title. If higher beings don't exist, then they can't be judged because they don't exist.
MTF
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Man is the only one who has given God His attributes. We create God.
We certainly can judge this God by human standards.
God is in man's image and visa versa.
If there were any real Gods in some other dimension then why would man want to follow an alien God?
In our reality the God of any creature is one of it's own.
The God of ants is an ant.
The God of lions is a lion.
The God of men should then be a man.
To follow the ones offered here as mysterious and not understandable is rather stupid. We would be following without knowing why.
Regards
DL
Regards
DL
other-side
Soul separator
Nope he should not be judged but should be understood!
We are his creation so we can judge him if:
1- we claim that we understand more than him
=> How can a creator make a creation which is more clever than himself?
2- we don't believe in God and want to judge him to show he doesn't exist!
=> then we should not name it judgment but proof for his non existent claim.
We are his creation so we can judge him if:
1- we claim that we understand more than him
=> How can a creator make a creation which is more clever than himself?
2- we don't believe in God and want to judge him to show he doesn't exist!
=> then we should not name it judgment but proof for his non existent claim.
Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
Nope he should not be judged but should be understood!
We are his creation so we can judge him if:
1- we claim that we understand more than him
=> How can a creator make a creation which is more clever than himself?
2- we don't believe in God and want to judge him to show he doesn't exist!
=> then we should not name it judgment but proof for his non existent claim.
When did you judge that your God was your creator?
Religious or Political Gods, at the end of the day, all offer some kind of philosophy for living. We do not follow a person, we follow commandments or laws or whatever that particular God stands for.
You, like all of us follow one or a combination of philosophies. You as all of us follow some kind of God.
If not then you follow your own made up philosophy and idolize it the same way all people idolize their Gods/philosophies.
Show your intelligence now and agree.
Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
Well-Known Member
other-side
Soul separator
I started to know myself and my creation and how I was made and find the abilities I have and then I knew my God!
I don't make up my God I just believe in it by seeking him in his creation...The nature is my God the stars the galaxies,souls, spirits ,other planes and whatever you can imagine!I don't judge him I understand him!
Ok tell me the genocide he has promoted and we will decide!
McBell
Unbound
Let us start with the basics...
WHICH of the thousands of declared deities is the ONE you CLAIM is the creator?
other-side
Soul separator
it's me ,you and others, every creation we know or we have not yet discovered. It's like drops of water making an ocean. We are the drops and the ocean is our deity.