Should hadiths be rejected?

[Shad]

I mean they are afterall written 200 years after muhammad's death. And arguments have been made that quran alone was the reason for golden age era. Since there are no silly traditions and restrictions in the quran. And believe that hadiths are more man made speculations. Atleast quran is somewhat older with the oldest being 715 AD i think. Although there are disagreements if it was preserved well. Atleast it has a more dominant theological being than the hadiths have.

Ahadith need to go as do any traditions based on them. However this would require a reformation of Islam and Sharia. I think Western Muslims will be the ones to lead the way as far too many Muslim nations are entrenched in systems tied to Ahadith. ISIL, Idiotic Sociopaths of Iraq and the Levant, justifies most of it's crime using ahadiths and the opinion of a few scholars.

 

[Shia Islam]

Which are the correct ones, and how were they verified to be so? Just curious. Thanks for the info.

The most certified ones are the ones called the Mutawatir...


Mutawatir means that the Hadith has been transmitted through different chains...i.e. many people has related the Hadith, and each one of the narrators has transmitted it to many others...and so on...


An example of such a Hadith, is the prophet final sermon during his Hajj pilgrimage.. ..It is called the farewell sermon...The prophet deliver it to the thousands of his followers who joined him in his pilgrimage.

 

[beenie]

A big portion of Hadith is agreed upon to be correct.
Also for Shia, they believe that God sent the Imams after the prophet to complete his mission.

What is more, is that anyone who studied Islam knows that you can't have "Islam" without the Hadith...

It's the Hadith that defines Islam.

So, the Quran doesn't define Islam?

The Hadith is what interpret and give the details of the Quranic verses...

So, why do you trust those who wrote it? And, why do so many Muslims disagree about the validity of Hadiths?

Muslims agree in the Validity of big portion of the Hadiths.
Some Hadiths are sermons that the prophet gave in front of thousands of his companions...

and these Hadith reached us from from many different sources ...

Some Hadiths are letters that the prophet wrote...

and of course after the prophet died, the 'ISIS' tyrannies of that era made up many Hadiths to enhance their causes...

However, unbiased scholars can identify the correct Hadiths through a science called "the Science of Rijal"

This is where Islam and Muslims run into trouble. The Qur'an is unchanged since its origin, yet Muslims will take the word of a very sophisticated version of telephone in the form of Hadith. To say that Hadith define Islam is wrong, and contradicts the very pride Muslims have in the unaltered word of God.

The Qur'an (of you believe in it) defines Islam. The Hadith (if you believe they're accurate) define the life and habits of the Prophet.

 

[Godobeyer]

All religious texts should be rejected.

so what we (religious) had left ?

 

[Godobeyer]

The most certified ones are the ones called the Mutawatir...


Mutawatir means that the Hadith has been transmitted through different chains...i.e. many people has related the Hadith, and each one of the narrators has transmitted it to many others...and so on...


An example of such a Hadith, is the prophet final sermon during his Hajj pilgrimage.. ..It is called the farewell sermon...The prophet deliver it to the thousands of his followers who joined him in his pilgrimage.

For my opinion the Muslim Scholars should filter Hadith from weak onces . let only Mutawatir (the most certified)

 

[Sakeenah]

I mean they are afterall written 200 years after muhammad's death. And arguments have been made that quran alone was the reason for golden age era. Since there are no silly traditions and restrictions in the quran. And believe that hadiths are more man made speculations. Atleast quran is somewhat older with the oldest being 715 AD i think. Although there are disagreements if it was preserved well. Atleast it has a more dominant theological being than the hadiths have.

hi,

Hadiths are narrations and sayings of the prophet..its by following the hadith..we know how to implement the Quran. For example in the Quran we are told to pray but it doesn't explain how to perform the prayer how to perform ablution before the prayer, in the Quran it tells us to perform the pilgrimage but how to perform it is explained in the hadith (sayings of the prophet) , and these are just a few examples.
The Quran tells us more then a 100 verses to obbey the messenger .These are a few verses:
Obedience to the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is considered in the Qur’aan to be a part of obedience to Allaah

“He who obeys the Messenger, has indeed obeyed Allaah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad) as a watcher over them.” [al-Nisa’ 4:80 – interpretation of the meaning].

“But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisa’ 4:65 – interpretation of the meaning]

So if one says I only follow the Quran in a way he/she is rejecting the messenger.

I think the important matter is how do we know these hadiths are authentic and not man made speculations. Each hadith is based on two parts, a chain of narrators reporting the hadith (isnad), and the text itself (matn). The scholars of hadith took the utmost care to purify the Sunnah from all alien elements. If they had any doubts about the truthfulness of any narrator, or there was the slightest possibility that he could have forgotten something, this would be sufficient grounds for rejecting a hadeeth. Even critics of islam have stated that no other nation has paid so much attention to examining its reports and their narrators, especially in the case of reports narrated from the Messenger of Allaah. When you read a hadith it has to say who narrated it and if the chain is good,authentic or weak. If it doesn't scholars will reject it.

So if you are interested to know why we follow the hadith a try to read more about the sciences of hadith

 

[Sabour]

I mean they are afterall written 200 years after muhammad's death. And arguments have been made that quran alone was the reason for golden age era. Since there are no silly traditions and restrictions in the quran. And believe that hadiths are more man made speculations. Atleast quran is somewhat older with the oldest being 715 AD i think. Although there are disagreements if it was preserved well. Atleast it has a more dominant theological being than the hadiths have.

Hadith should not be rejected but rather should be studied carefully. However, there seems to be many confusions about what a hadith means or says because hadith is easily taken out of context. Besides there are cases when a certain hadith may not be applicable.

 

[Muffled]

I mean they are afterall written 200 years after muhammad's death. And arguments have been made that quran alone was the reason for golden age era. Since there are no silly traditions and restrictions in the quran. And believe that hadiths are more man made speculations. Atleast quran is somewhat older with the oldest being 715 AD i think. Although there are disagreements if it was preserved well. Atleast it has a more dominant theological being than the hadiths have.

I believe it should be considered unreliable but it is possible for an unreliable text to contain some truth.

 

[Muffled]

Well to be fair. Heaven is ruled by communists. Considering whether you are a muslim or christian. You are judged on your beliefs (First priority) and not sin (thats the second priority). Just as if you where to not choose Kim Jong Un as your leader, then you would be killed : 3

I believe Heaven is ruled by God.

I do not believe that to be so. I believe the sins of Chritians are all clensed by the blood so there is nothing to judge but it isn't belief that gets a person covered by the blood but an accepting of Jesus as Lord and Savior.

I believe one would not have to believe in him to keep from being killed; just obey him.

 

[morphesium]

Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun: "During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them".
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:188

 

[LuisDantas]

Of course Hadith can be rejected. No one disputes that.

The true question is why the Hadiths are always discriminated against while the Quran remains unquestioned and unquestionable. It makes no sense.

Scriptures, I have concluded, are essentially worthless until and unless one learns to take responsibility for them, decide if and when they should be used and by which interpretation. If at all possible, the religious person should also write his own scripture.

I don't consider anyone truly religious until they accept that responsibility. Belief without discernment is not religion, it is just superstition.

 

[LuisDantas]

so what we (religious) had left ?

Pretty much everything. Your good will, your cooperation, your sincere efforts at seeking wisdom and compassion. your transmission of religious doctrine.

Personal transmission has ever and probably will always be far superior to scriptures.

 

[Godobeyer]

Pretty much everything. Your good will, your cooperation, your sincere efforts at seeking wisdom and compassion. your transmission of religious doctrine.

Personal transmission has ever and probably will always be far superior to scriptures.

since the most of religoins encourage to do good deeds and avoid to do bad deeds AND " Your good will, your cooperation, your sincere efforts at seeking wisdom and compassion " as you said.

are you with "world without religions "
and what is your garanty that human will live in peace and better without religions ?

 

[LuisDantas]

since the most of religoins encourage to do good deeds and avoid to do bad deeds AND " Your good will, your cooperation, your sincere efforts at seeking wisdom and compassion " as you said.

Sure, most religions and most religious people do in fact seek that core, at least according to their personal understandings.

are you with "world without religions "

I don't see myself as opposed to religions. I do question them a lot, however, most of all when they rely on belief in God and in scriptures.

My hope for the future of humanity does not really involve a world without religions so much as one where religions don't much value either God or scripture.

and what is your garanty that human will live in peace and better without religions ?

I don't even hope for that. But I do think I have seen plenty enough to allow me to speak against trusting a creator God or any scripture.

Again, not against religion proper, just those two points of belief.