Should manditory overtime be illegal?

[SomeRandom]

Yeah what kind of vacation do you generally get over there. Here we sometimes have to work for a year just to get to 2 weeks, and many years just to get 3. In america, we are just about toughness basically, or at least that's how my culture would like me to describe my experience, though I don't really understand the point of it

Whoa that sounds harsh.
Holiday time generally depends on the employer and sector. When I worked retail and went permanent part time, I think I accrued an hour of annual leave for every 2-3 hours worked. I think. I also got sick pay hours. Looking back the rules seemed quite strict. I’m not sure if that’s because of the union agreement or the company mostly hiring teens and therefore more scrutinised by the public. Maybe both
But I suppose generally speaking holiday time is about 4-8 weeks per year. Though 4 is the standard Employers also have to offer sick pay, long service leave and maternity/paternity leave on top of that. How much is accrued and what the maximum cap of those hours are again generally depends on the sector and employer. I think I was capped at about 350- 400 hours annual and about 300 or so for sick pay

 

[Revoltingest]

I say yes. Make it voluntary without fear of dismissal after a proper 40 hours of work a week.

Forced to Work Mandatory Overtime | Working America.

How about you?

No need to make it illegal.
Don't like the job....then quit to find another.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Lol. Those picture aren't about toughness. Its about the way life was then vs now.
Yet I will concure and say those working 150 years ago were tougher, had more desire, more heart, and didn't whine or complain as much as people do today.

I think maybe your missing the point about our wood-chopper. He wasn't mirthful in spite of what he had to do: his 'mirth' was born of something else: the fact that he made most of his own rules, beyond the 'front' of being a wood-chopper

 

[amorphous_constellation]

No need to make it illegal.
Don't like the job....then quit to find another.

So I take it you'd be against worker co-ops?

 

[Revoltingest]

So I take it you'd be against worker co-ops?

Not at all.
Why assume that?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Not at all.
Why assume that?

Ok good.. well it's an easy assumption, since it would also be rooted in that same attitude

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok good.. well it's an easy assumption, since it would also be rooted in that same attitude

I don't think you know what my attitude is.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I don't think you know what my attitude is.

well if you work in a co-op, you may not have to change your job, since you can actually change the job you have

 

[Revoltingest]

well if you work in a co-op, you may not have to change your job, since you can actually change the job you have

I don't see how this relates to my "attiutde".

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I don't see how this relates to my "attiutde".

If someone doesn't like their job, should they always default on changing jobs as a reaction? To my mind, if that is the case, it surely approaches reflecting an attitude about work, of some kind

 

[Revoltingest]

If someone doesn't like their job, should they always default on changing jobs as a reaction?

Think of it as an option, not an "always".

 

[Shaul]

Whoa you guys have mandatory overtime, seriously?? And you call yourselves a developed country, jeez!
Over here overtime has to fall under the category of “reasonable hours” and not affect the health and safety of the employee. I assume there’s some companies being shady and trying to worm their way out of that, to be sure. But still.

Gee, I wonder why American productivity is so high compared to other countries...

 

[Shaul]

Yes, sometimes people work overtime. So what? Companies that abuse their employees with too much overtime eventually pay the price for that with poor employee retention or vacancies.

If someone doesn’t like the overtime, quit. Go to a different job or start your own business.

 

[PureX]

Of course it should be illegal. The purpose of commerce is to serve humanity, not the other way round. It's sad that greed has so overwhelmed us as a society that we can no longer recognize even this most simple, reasonable maxim.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Gee, I wonder why American productivity is so high compared to other countries...

I'd argue that we don't even know that 'productivity' exists objectively, therefore it is actually uncertain what we hard work for, beyond cultural reasons.

 

[Quetzal]

I say yes. Make it voluntary without fear of dismissal after a proper 40 hours of work a week.

Forced to Work Mandatory Overtime | Working America.

How about you?

I have done it before. It was announced way in advance and it was a very rare occurrence (maybe 3 weeks a year, spread out). It wasn't horrible and the overtime pay was nice. But I can understand both positions. That said, I wouldn't be upset to see it go.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Whoa you guys have mandatory overtime, seriously?? And you call yourselves a developed country, jeez!
Over here overtime has to fall under the category of “reasonable hours” and not affect the health and safety of the employee. I assume there’s some companies being shady and trying to worm their way out of that, to be sure. But still.

Yea. That's why I made several threads on 4 day work weeks , reduced work hours, and now manditory overtime.

The reason is the typical 40 hour work week is slowly eroding back to the the way it used to be in sweatshops and factories in the 30s and 40s where already exhausted people were basically worked to death.

Comparing the US to developed countries its shocking to see just how overworked people are in the states.

Germany has a 6 hour work day on average without any loss of productivity!

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have done it before. It was announced way in advance and it was a very rare occurrence (maybe 3 weeks a year, spread out). It wasn't horrible and the overtime pay was nice. But I can understand both positions. That said, I wouldn't be upset to see it go.

I just think people ought to have an option without being fired for not wanting to work after 40 hours of their time. Many have families and other pursuits other than being married to their jobs.

Overtime is not gawd awful in terms of making extra money but for others, there should be a choice as to weither one wants it or not.

 

[Quetzal]

I just think people ought to have an option without being fired for not wanting to work after 40 hours of their time. Many have families and other pursuits other than being married to their jobs.

Overtime is not gawd awful in terms of making extra money but for others, there should be a choice as to weither one wants it or not.

Yep! That's perfectly fair.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yea. That's why I made several threads on 4 day work weeks , reduced work hours, and now manditory overtime.

The reason is the typical 40 hour work week is slowly eroding back to the the way it used to be in sweatshops and factories in the 30s and 40s where already exhausted people were basically worked to death.

Comparing the US to developed countries its shocking to see just how overworked people are in the states.

Germany has a 6 hour work day on average without any loss of productivity!

I guess I just assumed the 40 hour work week (average) was the standard.
That is just horrible. Overworked underclasses will only face health problems and imo be subject to manipulation by the oligarchs