Should parents lose custody of super obese kids?

[HiddenDjinn]

yeah that's assuming the parents are at home for dinner...

what i've noticed is that inner cities do not have a corner market to shop at... so what is one to do?
it's getting on the bus to a market...which means you can't get that much, one only has 2 hands. it's walking home from the bus stop for blocks...
and so on

it's more than just those 20 minutes...

Wait, what?

I've lived in two urban areas and both have extensive resources of corner stores where one can purchase...HEALTHY GROCERIES(oh no!)

New York City has four bodegas on every block. Don't believe me? I'll provide photos next time I go out. Little Rock, AR(a nice little city of only about 100,000) had a grocery store or a corner bodega within four blocks of anywhere. This "network" served a wider range of people than Little Rock's CAT bus service.

 

[waitasec]

Wait, what?

I've lived in two urban areas and both have extensive resources of corner stores where one can purchase...HEALTHY GROCERIES(oh no!)

New York City has four bodegas on every block. Don't believe me? I'll provide photos next time I go out. Little Rock, AR(a nice little city of only about 100,000) had a grocery store or a corner bodega within four blocks of anywhere. This "network" served a wider range of people than Little Rock's CAT bus service.

wow...i'm getting bamboozled by the new yawrkas....


i'm just talking from my perspective living in LA...

sorry, i won't say anything any more...

bye

 

[HiddenDjinn]

what do you mean?
LA is not NY by any means it's too spread out and public transportation is bunk compared to NY...and there are hardly any corner markets in the inner city.
have you been to LA?

Waitasec,
Here's a hint: If the sign outside is in Spanish, it's probably a bodega, and bodegas carry groceries.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

wow...i'm getting bamboozled by the new yawrkas....


i'm just talking from my perspective living in LA...

sorry, i won't say anything any more...

bye

Translation: When someone disagrees and is willing to use facts to disagree with your preconceived prejudices, you run like hell.

 

[Rakhel]

I used to live in Hesperia, Big Bear and San Fransisco. I know California.

But that is beside the point. We are talking about ease as opposed to effort. The only effort being taken at a fast food joint is "do I want the chicken or the beef?" When you go to the store, buy the chicken and the beef, you are make the same effort. "Do I want the chicken or the beef" You are also saving money.
It is not your fault. This is a concept that native New Yorkers have a problem with. The more time you spend at work the less time you have at home to spend with the kids so you end up spending more money to feed everyone. Of course the time you spend going to the drive-thru is the same amount of time you spend cooking dinner. But go figure. what do I know. I am just some dumb hick from the south.

 

[waitasec]

i guess what we are failing to see is how this fast food was never in dispute until we had 20/20 hindsight...

we blame people for being human, in other words not perfect. i understand that obesity is a huge problem in this country. i believe type 2 diabetes will end up bankrupting this country with in the next 5 yrs...
we offer conveniences in the name of capitalism and then we blame those who are
in a bad position because of taking those conveniences for granted...when most of us take all sorts of conveniences for granted. it's just a really bad cycle and it will be one of the reasons we will end up consuming ourselves.

like i said...it's not just food...
it's cc debt, too much shopping, for clothes or items that are on the 'wish list', not things that we need...we buy things we cannot afford...and that includes food, not that fast food is expensive but it'll end up racking up medical costs in the end

 

[waitasec]

Translation: When someone disagrees and is willing to use facts to disagree with your preconceived prejudices, you run like hell.

correct me if i'm wrong but i think that i'm being a little more empathetic to the situation.

 

[Father Heathen]

i think capitalism is to blame...

it's called fast food for a reason and when you're a single parent working 2 jobs it's hard to cook up a healthy meal and set the table.

I doubt that reason alone explains how some children become grotesquely obese. Some children stuff far more food down their gullets than what's needed to sustain them and their parent(s) enable that. If money was an issue than excess food would not be on hand. Kids who are very overweight are spoiled by their parents with junk food, and in extreme cases it's probably for the best that they're removed.

 

[bobhikes]

Its a cultural change.

When I was a kid we walked place's anywhere less than 2 miles was a walk, less than 5 miles was a bike ride. We didn't use cars Dad had it at work.

The next town buses kids 2 blocks from the school just in case.
My town you can't go down the school street at drop off and pick up times all cars. The middle school actually requires you to drop off at different blocks depending where you live to relieve traffic. Where do you see people walking anymore if their not specifically exercising.

Food to be honest no different. In fact I probably had more penny candies and 25 cent soda's then my kids do.

Air conditioning all over today when I was a kid I sweated a good portion of my weight away especially at night.

Video/Computer/TV We had TV when I was a kid but Kid shows where only on Saturday's.

Cell phones. We had to go to our friends house to see if they wanted to play. Now you just text.

We were allowed to go and explore. Kids today are locked up for fear that someone will get them. By the time their teens they have no ambition to be outside.

I do think some parents over indulge their kids but if things were like when I was a kid, the kids would not be obese. Society has changed and society as a whole is obese. Kids take after us.

 

[methylatedghosts]

As a child, I was told to go and play outside. In other words, get off the couch and leave the house.

I had to ask before I opened the refrigerator or took something from the pantry.

Many times I was told to wait for dinner.

We drank water not soda when we where thirsty.

Now, I believe children have constant access to snacks and sodas.

They do not go outside and remain inside the home.

I was brought up pretty much the same
TV was restricted to news, live sport (very occasionally), Saturday/Sunday mornings and if we were lucky, the occasional Saturday night film. For the rest of it, we had to find something to do ourselves. "Mum, I'm bored" was met with "Then find something to do" or "Then be bored".

If we were thirsty, it was water, or sometimes juice (real juice, nor cordial).

Snacks, if it wasn't too close to lunch or dinner time, were fruit, which is still currently cheaper than other snacks. An apple is currently about $0.50, a kiwifruit about $0.30-0.40. A chocolate bar, on special, is about $1.00, or you have to buy 3 for $3.00 (Hey, it's cheaper if you buy more, even though you're going to eat them all at once anyway).

I also think a big thing is the energy drinks. The ones loaded with sugar and caffeine, plus taurine and whateverthehellelse they put into it. You can pick up a half-litre can of this stuff for about $3 where I live, and because it's in a can you can't reseal it, so you HAVE to drink it all at once if you don't want to waste it. And I see kids as young as 10 buying these things, while it clearly is labelled "Not suitable for children, pregnant or lactating women, or caffeine sensitive persons". I'm curious as to what's so physically demanding that they require these drinks! I thought coke was bad enough!

 

[Reverend Rick]

It is true that everyone is busy and we many times hit the drive thru.

The thing is, when your child is twice the weight they should be, a good parent would make some changes instead of continuing to enable a child to be unhealthy.

You would think their doctor would have addressed this problem.

Allowing a child to become morbidly obese and ignoring the doctors suggestions is child abuse IMHO.

 

[waitasec]

I doubt that reason alone explains how some children become grotesquely obese. Some children stuff far more food down their gullets than what's needed to sustain them and their parent(s) enable that. If money was an issue than excess food would not be on hand. Kids who are very overweight are spoiled by their parents with junk food, and in extreme cases it's probably for the best that they're removed.

yes, i agree there are some/many cases where children are abused from their parents enabling them to do what they want...

 

[Reverend Rick]

Being extremely obese and ignoring the problem is no different than any other medical problem. If a child broke their arm and the parent did not seek medical attention would be no different.

 

[ninerbuff]

Obesity is from one thing only...............surplus calories. It can come from eating healthy food. Overeat healthy food and you'll get fat.

Here's my take. Many parents "shut" their kids up with food. If it makes the kid happy, that's what they use to reduce having to interact. It's no different to me than the uber rich parents showering money on their kid to keep them out of their hair.

Parents just need to be parents. If you can't ******* afford to live a lifestyle where you HAVE to work a job that takes time away from your kids, then you need to have a different lifestyle. Many people are all caught up with having material things, having to HAVE to own a home (which now isn't the best investment), having to have a BMW, Mercedes, etc.
People always talk about doing "everything" for their kids, but if this was the case, then their health and well being should be at the forefront.

 

[waitasec]

lets add this to the plate...

Officials fear for infants born to prescription drug addicts - CNN.com

people suck.

 

[waitasec]

here's something to consider

Medical News: Childhood obesity most common in Southeast - in Pediatrics, Obesity from MedPage Today