Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

[Twilight Hue]

The news media and social media are responsible for the distorted view of religion. But the cure is not to ban them but for people to look beyond the headlines and bias to the millions upon millions of people quietly following religious beliefs with no violence and in fact trying to help others

Yeah I think part of the media's to blame.

A bit like throwing blood into water and attracting the sharks.

 

[Lionel Refson]

....and as regards China, their approach is obviously totally unacceptable. We all get that....

 

[David T]

I wouldn't ban anything. Just let the nonsense continue.

Think of it as natural selection with a Fair dose of Darwin Awards.

If it was banned my use of popcorn will be less practical.

"If it was banned my use of popcorn will be less practical"

Lol the best line i have read today! Although this is RF with low fences!

 

[Lionel Refson]

Yeah I think part of the media's to blame.

A bit like throwing blood into water and attracting the sharks.

I agree with this, but so what. You can't ban the media and you can't prevent bad news making a disproportionately loud noise.
The media is not the real problem. The real problem is that we value the freedom of being able to worship any way we like more than we value people's lives

 

[Twilight Hue]

"If it was banned my use of popcorn will be less practical"

Lol the best line i have read today! Although this is RF with low fences!

I'd drink a couple O' beers too. Eating popcorn and drinking beer is not much fun if there's nothing to watch. =O]

 

[Lionel Refson]

Ok so how about forcing the three religions to come up with a new religious book that everyone could use, with all the hatred and violence and indeed any type of prescribed harm being removed. Could that near-impossible step be the first? Bear in mind we are talking of saving countless lives here and improving the lives of countless others
Perhaps the relevant religious leaders could be brought together to implement this on pain of prosecution

 

[icehorse]

How can these divisive, misleading, tribal, anachronistic dogmatic and destructive forces be done away with without the obvious cries of outrage.

I agree with much of your criticism of the Abrahamic religions, but I don't think they can be done away with.

The good news is that over the last couple of centuries the Christian god is receding in the face of science and secularism. Not receding fast enough for my liking, but receding. I think that the humane, compassionate approach is education, and especially education for women. For anyone who disagrees with this stance, please cite any significant, secular education programs for women, initiated by Christians or Muslims.

 

[Quintessence]

Bear in mind we are talking of saving countless lives here and improving the lives of countless others

No, we aren't. There is no "we" here. There is only you wanting to impose your will and your vision of human civilization onto everyone else. It is you wanting peoples to abandon their cultural traditions because according to your shallow assessment of them, they need to be gotten rid of. What you're suggesting is nothing short of cultural genocide. Don't even kid yourself that what you are proposing here will "save countless lives" when eradicating a huge swath of human culture will require precisely the opposite. What you want to do is simply evil, and that's not a word I like tossing around.

 

[Rival]

No, we aren't. There is no "we" here. There is only you wanting to impose your will and your vision of human civilization onto everyone else. It is you wanting peoples to abandon their cultural traditions because according to your shallow assessment of them, they need to be gotten rid of. What you're suggesting is nothing short of cultural genocide. Don't even kid yourself that what you are proposing here will "save countless lives" when eradicating a huge swath of human culture will require precisely the opposite. What you want to do is simply evil, and that's not a word I like tossing around.

Christians went into South America especially thinking they were civilising indigenous people who had the 'wrong' religion. That worked so well.

 

[paarsurrey]

Society Should Ban The Abrahamic Religions

paarsurrey said: ↑

Is one an extremist, please?

The opposite.
Left Coast said:↑
Freedom of religion is a basic human right necessary for peace and human happiness. The state cannot and should not dictate people's religious beliefs or lack thereof. We have centuries of data showing how much better life is when we abandon that kind of authoritarianism.
Lionel Refson said:
Ha ha

Like in the Atheism/Communism Stalin's time!

Regards

 

[Thief]

IMO Given the harm they do, given all the trouble caused in the world by them they should be banned, but how? People have the right to believe what they will and worship as they see fit. These are human rights, but they turn people against people, spawn extremism and give their followers a false and divisive view of the world.
How could they be banned? How can these divisive, misleading, tribal, anachronistic dogmatic and destructive forces be done away with without the obvious cries of outrage.
We would have to tread very carefully. How could it be done? What would the first steps be.
I would suggest a piecemeal ban of various passages as a start. For example everything that stirs up hatred of another religion or violence towards another should be edited out.
Is it the case that we are powerless even to take the first step in this direction because of human rights and the good (far outweighed by the bad IMO) these religions sometimes do.
Can we really not sort this nonsense out?
My solution would be to ban all the holy books and just allow Genesis up to 9:19 (everything after that is just tribal self-interest but that is unrealistic and dictatorial.
What else could be done? Just keep in mind the thousands of lives that have been lost / ruined because of these divisive forces.

I would push the parables of the Carpenter

they give something of mind and heart

swords are mentioned.....but angels have them

 

[shmogie]

I agree, but the point is that for example Islamic extremism taints every Muslim with the same brush in the eyes of those who don't want to understand the differences and even the experts point to the presence of al-taaqiyah in the Koran as being evidence that even a moderate Muslim is not to be trusted.
Then of course with every Islamic extremist act there will be a reply from Fundamentalist Christianity in one form or another spiralling out of control.
A Jew is hated by an extremist just for being a Jew and because Muslims believe they lied and Christians believe they crucified The Lord. It is an eternal triangle! and it will never end until people have the courage to take action. The moderate is drawn in, one way or another. If a thug attacks a moderate Muslim because the thug has just heard about an Islamic atrocity where somer christians died, the assaulted Muslim may well no longer feel safe in his country and sets about organizing a local neighbourhood watch group which because of its very existence, causes even more issues... .ad nauseam!

What blather. According to you, after 9/11, Christians in huge packs should have invaded and destroyed mosques and the people inside, then polished off the Jews while they were at it.

In case you don´t know, it didn´t happen.

I think you are writing as you have daytime nightmares.

Drop the hyperbole and wake up.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Religion is just one of the excuses humans use to be horrible to each other and the natural world.

 

[sun rise]

I agree with much of your criticism of the Abrahamic religions, but I don't think they can be done away with.

The good news is that over the last couple of centuries the Christian god is receding in the face of science and secularism. Not receding fast enough for my liking, but receding. I think that the humane, compassionate approach is education, and especially education for women. For anyone who disagrees with this stance, please cite any significant, secular education programs for women, initiated by Christians or Muslims.

Religion is not the problem. Religion as people who love power and promote hatred etc is a problem. Witness that the biggest slaughter in the 20th century happened in atheist USSR. And now China is trying to turn all of it's citizens into robots who follow the dictates of the rulers in a "1984" way.

 

[crossfire]

Hate and aggression does not overcome hate and aggression. Only non-hatred overcomes hatred.
Dangerous ideas are only dangerous when empowered by greed, hatred, or delusion.
Take responsibility for your own hatred and delusion instead of passing it around and propagating more.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I agree with this, but so what. You can't ban the media and you can't prevent bad news making a disproportionately loud noise.
The media is not the real problem. The real problem is that we value the freedom of being able to worship any way we like more than we value people's lives

There's a lot of weird, crazy, and dumb things people do that involves lives of others. Religion for sure not the least of them.

The way I look at it, there are lines and then there are LINES, regardless of the freedom of religion. I can see a reasonable restriction/outlawing of some religious practices, but not anything like a ban forbidding beliefs themselves.

 

[Lionel Refson]

I agree with much of your criticism of the Abrahamic religions, but I don't think they can be done away with.

The good news is that over the last couple of centuries the Christian god is receding in the face of science and secularism. Not receding fast enough for my liking, but receding. I think that the humane, compassionate approach is education, and especially education for women. For anyone who disagrees with this stance, please cite any significant, secular education programs for women, initiated by Christians or Muslims.

I agree but as you say it does not happen fast enough and this trend can reverse at any time

No, we aren't. There is no "we" here. There is only you wanting to impose your will and your vision of human civilization onto everyone else. It is you wanting peoples to abandon their cultural traditions because according to your shallow assessment of them, they need to be gotten rid of. What you're suggesting is nothing short of cultural genocide. Don't even kid yourself that what you are proposing here will "save countless lives" when eradicating a huge swath of human culture will require precisely the opposite. What you want to do is simply evil, and that's not a word I like tossing around.

Cultural traditions are more important than human life. What are you talking about?
I don't want to impose anything. I want to use the great minds on here to solve a problem we all face, a problem that is growing

What blather. According to you, after 9/11, Christians in huge packs should have invaded and destroyed mosques and the people inside, then polished off the Jews while they were at it.

In case you don´t know, it didn´t happen.

I think you are writing as you have daytime nightmares.

Drop the hyperbole and wake up.

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Religion is not the problem. Religion as people who love power and promote hatred etc is a problem. Witness that the biggest slaughter in the 20th century happened in atheist USSR. And now China is trying to turn all of it's citizens into robots who follow the dictates of the rulers in a "1984" way.

Religion is the problem relevant here

Hate and aggression does not overcome hate and aggression. Only non-hatred overcomes hatred.
Dangerous ideas are only dangerous when empowered by greed, hatred, or delusion.
Take responsibility for your own hatred and delusion instead of passing it around and propagating more.
Your mileage may vary.

I do not hate and I do not have aggression. I am asking for solutions for a problem we all face, specifically the death and destruction caused by the Abrahamic religions

 

[Lionel Refson]

I did suggest IMO that the first step might be to get the leaders of the three Abrahamic leaders (and their various schisms etc) together to come up with a new hate, violence and murder-free, cohesive format for the new Combined Abrahamic Religion. I also suggested that if they failed to do so they should be held accountable personally for all the violent and damaging doctrines within their religions,, as their religion's ambassadors, perhaps in some new world court.
All teachings that teach love and unity and cohesiveness should be included by all negative teachings removed, including teachings that promote guilt and fear, arrogance and intolerance
What you would end up with, I imagine is a simple text that states
There is one God, Feel free to talk to God as you wish.
If they cannot be banned, perhaps they can be forced to tell the truth. Not one Abrahamic religion is any closer to God than the person who has a direct conversation so why not pressure the leaders. It would be a start. This is just my opinion.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Is it possible the problems are caused by those who hate people who follow Abrahamic religins and not by those who follow those religions.

 

[icehorse]

Religion is not the problem. Religion as people who love power and promote hatred etc is a problem. Witness that the biggest slaughter in the 20th century happened in atheist USSR. And now China is trying to turn all of it's citizens into robots who follow the dictates of the rulers in a "1984" way.

I agree that religion is not "THE" problem. But it is one of the problems. As for the "atheist" regimes that you and so many others continue to cite, they were not really atheistic in nature. These leaders were in fact all trying to set themselves up as demigods. This is the opposite of what secularism strives for. Now I understand that atheist does not always go hand in hand with secularism, but I would say that most atheists who are engaged in politics are secularists, correct?