Should students be allowed to wear "satanic" symbols to school?

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think there are already too many rules in society outside of school. I don't think schools should have more.

Certain moderators here might not be surprised to hear that I have a very rebellious nature. I was made to drop out of school because I ignored the excessive, pointless rules. If the rules were harsher, say if there were school uniforms, I would have fared worse. Schools should lighten up in order to allow people like me to become productive members of society, not criminals.

As a principal I would allow anything until it disrupted someone else.

Nicely said. I agree with all of that. :yes:

 

[1137]

Oh you mean individualism! Like let's say a person decide they are a worshipper of Priapus and to them that means they have to wear a huge dildo on their heads...how about expulsion for them? School is for learning not your individual foibles.

It doesn't seem to occur to you that school - especially high school - helps for who we become as people. If I hadn't gone to high school I probably would be completely different spiritually. Should we suppress religious freedom in the real world then? Is that your goal?

 

[1137]

I think that is the best option.

So you want to kill individuality.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

There is two case:

Either a school allow wearing religious symbols, then everyone should be allowed, satanists included.

Or a school doesn't allow wearing religious symbol, then nobody is allowed to wear it, satanists included.

I don't know how it works for the US, do all school allow or each school can choose what they want to do regarding this ?

During all my schoolyears in France, religious symbols have always been strictly forbidden, for everyone. Including crosses, stars, head covering etc... They consider that since it's a public service, and state is secular, religion is a personal matter that should not be mixed with education. So, if you wear a clearly visible religious symbol at school, you'll be asked to remove it. But in private schools, it's different. There are christian private schools where they have religion courses and you can wear christian symbols. Same goes to muslim private schools.

 

[Badran]

Should students be allowed to wear "satanic" symbols to school?

I think schools should allow for a lot of self expression, including forms of religious expression, within some reasonably defined lines that serve the school's purpose while allowing the students the most amount of freedom possible in this context. This means that naturally satanic symbols should be allowed in my view.

At the same time though, i think that doesn't translate into their being no possible exceptions generally, and more importantly, i think that any line set might eventually contain some element of seemingly unnecessary exclusion or limit, at least from some points of view. The school's vision affects where the line will begin and end, and it might never be suitable for everyone, but some lines will be far more reasonable, inclusive and effective than others.

Is a cross necklace, or any of the symbols being spoken about obligations?

As for things mandatory, id say deserve some lax but not total. Hijabs should be kept to minimal, no niqab, and must meet other proper dress codes. Same for kippahs and the headress sikhs wear

Then perhaps it's more reasonable to have a general rule for allowing some basic forms of religious expression that can cover both such obligatory things as well as some basic things other religious followers might like to wear, so long as it doesn't go against the school's purpose.

Like let's say a person decide they are a worshipper of Priapus and to them that means they have to wear a huge dildo on their heads...

A 'huge dildo on their head' isn't any form of simple jewelry or an article of clothing, which is different to what a school might be reasonably trying to allow. It's a sex toy, so it's not something that's normally worn or taken to public places, and so it's not the same thing. In this case, the religious expression in itself is not what's not allowed, rather the specific method. The same person could be allowed to express their beliefs differently, just not in particular methods that might be outside of what a school is making an allowance for.

It's a poor example to try and make your argument with because it's unrealistic and more importantly, doesn't result in inconsistency if not allowed in the hypothetical. A general principle of allowance for religious expression can be present, but that doesn't mean that the allowance can not contain further defining factors to make it more precise and clear.

 

[Badran]

They consider that since it's a public service, and state is secular, religion is a personal matter that should not be mixed with education.

I've always considered that a poor interpretation of secularism, personally. Or an unnecessarily restrictive application of it, to put it differently.

A secular school shouldn't mean a school free from any signs of religious expression, in my opinion. Rather it should be a school that is free from any form of religious relevance and/or favoritism when it comes to authority and rules, where religion would be simply an individual matter for teachers/staff and students to express personally within this context.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

A secular school shouldn't mean a school free from any signs of religious expression, in my opinion. Rather it should be a school that is free from any form of religious relevance and/or favoritism when it comes to authority and rules, where religion would be simply an individual matter for teachers/staff and students to express personally within this context.

Yup, that's right, I totally agree with that :yes:

 

[Thief]

I think that's simple enough.

Skipped the whole thread just to say ....yeah....

I believe in freedom of speech....AND expression.

We Americans are becoming a bunch cry babies.
Don't say this...don't wear that.

Pretty soon we might all be wearing gov issued politically correct shirts.....
AND hair cuts.


omg

sorry for the interruption.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

So you want to kill individuality.

I prefer unity amongst the student body. No one within the student body should feel alienated from it, if limiting certain forms of expression promotes unity then I say yes to limiting such.

 

[1137]

I prefer unity amongst the student body. No one within the student body should feel alienated from it, if limiting certain forms of expression promotes unity then I say yes to limiting such.

So you just didn't go to high school, or are you that ignorant? We could all be wearing the same clothes and have no accessories and would still have alienation. Hell, have you considered people would like to be alienated from certain groups?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

So you just didn't go to high school, or are you that ignorant? We could all be wearing the same clothes and have no accessories and would still have alienation. Hell, have you considered people would like to be alienated from certain groups?

Studies have shown that school uniformity has been effective in curbing alienation due to social and economic difference and to curb bullying and cliquishness.

 

[1137]

Studies have shown that school uniformity has been effective in curbing alienation due to social and economic difference and to curb bullying and cliquishness.

While stripping people of individuality and shielding us from the true workings of the world. I wouldn't have survived my real life crisises in high school without those tight knit groups.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

While stripping people of individuality and shielding us from the true workings of the world. I wouldn't have survived my real life crisises in high school without those tight knit groups.

I can give two ***** about your individuality. If your sense of individuality is so weak that you feel that it is necessary for you to wear a pentagram to school just so you can masturbate your ego in front of God and everyone, then maybe you should do some self-examination instead trying to boost your self-esteem. Because maybe you don't deserve any esteem that you have not merited.

Children should be awarded with esteem and praise because of what they have achieved not because of the things they wear.

And every child deserves a safe school experience, a child should neither be looked down upon by her peers just because she isn't rich enough to buy the latest bull **** that TV tells you to buy. And if want to be in a clique, fine. Do so off school ground. Clique have no rights whatsoever in schools, if a school wishes to curb them then that school has that right.

 

[1137]

I can give two ***** about your individuality. If your sense of individuality is so weak that you feel that it is necessary for you to wear a pentagram to school just so you can masturbate your ego in front of God and everyone, then maybe you should do some self-examination instead trying to boost your self-esteem. Because maybe you don't deserve any esteem that you have not merited.

Children should be awarded with esteem and praise because of what they have achieved not because of the things they wear.

And every child deserves a safe school experience, a child should neither be looked down upon by her peers just because she isn't rich enough to buy the latest bull **** that TV tells you to buy. And if want to be in a clique, fine. Do so off school ground. Clique have no rights whatsoever in schools, if a school wishes to curb them then that school has that right.

Well I hit a nerve. Have you talked to someone about whatever happened to you in high school?

 

[SoulDaemon]

I think individualism is a good thing to a point. I think same rules have to apply, if others are allowed to wear anything religious, then it shouldn't be a problem.

In some schools you have to wear a uniform, period.

By satanic do you mean pentagrams, Peter's crosses and slandering statements like: deny Christ! or God sucks! ?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Well I hit a nerve. Have you talked to someone about whatever happened to you in high school?

I doubt it. As for what happened to me in high school? I was popular and I was a bully. I used to bully all the creepy little Goth kids who wore pentagrams. And I got away with it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I doubt it. As for what happened to me in high school? I was popular and I was a bully. I used to bully all the creepy little Goth kids who wore pentagrams. And I got away with it.

Your opinion on this is safely disregarded, then.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Your opinion on this is safely disregarded, then.

Whatever for?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Whatever for?

Your little emotional outbursts show that you aren't thinking clearly.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Your little emotional outbursts show that you aren't thinking clearly.

What emotional outburst?