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Should teaching eternal hell be a crime?

Should teaching eternal hell be a crime offense?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 36.2%
  • No

    Votes: 33 56.9%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 4 6.9%

  • Total voters
    58

839311

Well-Known Member
Preaching eternal hell has the potential to terribly frighten people. Some of these people are overcome by this fear, and so are terrorized into becoming followers of the cults that preach such evil ideas. Preachers of this evil concept are terrorizing others. They are attacking a person's sense of security. It is one thing to harrass someone in this life with threats of punishment or other forms of mistreatment. But the terror that one could feel if she is confronted by a preacher telling her that she may burn in hell forever can be far worse. Children are particularly vulnerable to such abuse, especially when they are terrorized with this teaching by their parents whom they generally trust.

I think teaching hell should be made a criminal offense. It is a form of harrassment of a very intense kind. People should be protected by law from this type of harrassment. The preachers of this terrifying concept should be prosecuted as criminals.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Preachers could see teaching the non-existence of Heaven as criminal too.
We should be very reluctant to criminalize talking about things which don't exist.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
If parents taught their kids about eternal hell, what sanctions against the parents would you have a government apply?

Ideally, a gradation, beginning with some sort of duty to interact with other people who lack such a belief in eternal hell. The best cure for fear is allowing trust to be born.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ideally, a gradation, beginning with some sort of duty to interact with other people who lack such a belief in eternal hell. The best cure for fear is allowing trust to be born.
But if such interaction doesn't cure the parents of teaching their kids their faith, ultimately
some extreme coercion must be used. Government imposed trust seems scarier than eternal hell.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
No. I don't.
I don't believe in Hell, neither does my wife. We will not bring our children up to believe in it.


If you criminalise the teaching of Hell, you're going to make a lot of Christians think the anti-Christ is already here.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
But if such interaction doesn't cure the parents of teaching their kids their faith, ultimately
some extreme coercion must be used.

Such as loss of parental powers and giving their children to a guardian family, yes.


Government imposed trust seems scarier than eternal hell.

Apparently not so to many people.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
If you criminalise the teaching of Hell, you're going to make a lot of Christians think the anti-Christ is already here.

At some point we will have to face that belief, either way. For some decades now people are already voting in order to "avoid electing the Anti-Christ". It is past time to address that issue.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
True Luis. It's a sorry state of affairs.

However, only with education and the encouragement of freethinking and scepticism in schools can such views be eroded. Making it criminal will just make people more paranoid. We should giving ammunition to those who are paranoid by sticking our noses in their own beliefs.


Something I plan on doing is teaching my kids [when they are older] about the falsehood of the idea of eternal Hell, and how it is not something they need to be afraid of, because such a thing is not real. :)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Such as loss of parental powers and giving their children to a guardian family, yes.
So if parents believe in a religion with eternal Hell, & insist on teaching their faith to their children, you favor the government
taking the kids away & placing them in an orphanage or foster care, eh? I smell violent resistance if you ever had your way here.
Perhaps heathens shouldn't ever come to power...we just can't be trusted with it.
 

Jacksnyte

Reverend
I think restricting free speech in the US would be counter to the ideals this country was founded on. I think a huge push for education, and against ignorance would be a healthier response.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I see teaching of hell as teaching that if you do wrong you will be punished. All parents try to teach there kids the second. Is it true? No you can do wrong and get away with it and never be punished. Even though you can get away with doing wrong should we teach this to our children.
 

839311

Well-Known Member
Preachers could see teaching the non-existence of Heaven as criminal too. We should be very reluctant to criminalize talking about things which don't exist.

I disagree. Historically, religious fanatiscism has often led to violence. Christianity, and certainly Islam, were both in large part spread by the sword. Mohammed slaughtered and terrorized countless people, spreading his faith by the sword, forcing it on people with the threat of death. I wouldn't be suprised if something like this happened again, although I think its less likely in today's times. If such extremism isn't criminalized, then the opposite might happen, and normal rational thinking may be criminalized by religious fanatics. In the muslim world the penalty for apostasy is death. Religious fanatiscism needs to be taken very seriously, or it will overwhelm a society with fear and evil to the point where even declaring to no longer believe in that religion is punishable by death.

Actions which harrass others are already against the law.

"Q: What, if any, are the laws concerning verbal abuse when threatening words and profanity are used?
A: The answer comes from King County Sheriff's Sgt. John Urquhart:
Profanity, generally no law against that, but depending on the circumstances and setting, the use of profanity could evolve into Disorderly Conduct.

Threats are a different matter, and the statute is Harassment. In fact, threats to kill can be a felony. Otherwise "threats" are a gross misdemeanor. Illegal threats include threats to do bodily harm, threaten to destroy property, or threats to do anything "which is maliciously intended to substantially harm the person threatened or another with respect to his or her physical or mental health or safety." Either immediately or in the future." (When are threatening words or profanity illegal?).


Threatening someone with eternal punishment is clearly breaking the law. It can potentially damage a person's mental health in this life and destroy their sense of safety, and it threatens a person with eternal bodily harm. If a person is made to believe that they are going to hell, their sense of safety is shattered. That person will then most likely become a brainwashed follower of the same cult that is preaching this evil concept. Basically, that person has been terrorized into becoming a member of that cult. It's evil. The law that is already in place should protect people from these preachers, who should be charged with harrassment.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
But if such interaction doesn't cure the parents of teaching their kids their faith, ultimately
some extreme coercion must be used. Government imposed trust seems scarier than eternal hell.
That's pretty much my thought as well.

I'd personally prefer that parents not teach their kids about Hell, but an unenforceable law is a bad law. And this idea is like trying to kill a fly with a sledgehammer.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I don't think that there are large groups of people afraid of hell these days.

I was raised in a conservative Baptist home - the preachers taught about hell regularly, but my parents never talked about it at home.

What did freak me out as a kid was the songs we sang in church about fountains of blood, washing in the blood, the sweet blood. I was thinking, "Where the heck have my parents brought me??" And I was looking for the exits.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
So if parents believe in a religion with eternal Hell, & insist on teaching their faith to their children, you favor the government
taking the kids away & placing them in an orphanage or foster care, eh?

Definitely. It takes a lot less than that, in fact. IMO guardianship for natural parents is given far too often and questioned way less often than it should.


I smell violent resistance if you ever had your way here.

So do I.


Perhaps heathens shouldn't ever come to power...we just can't be trusted with it.

Why so?
 
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