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Should the Dems replace Biden with another candidate for POTUS?
- Thread starter anotherneil
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Genocide Joe has got to go.
Do you mean in 2020? Or for 2024?
I thought it was a mistake for him to run again given his obvious frailty. Despite the debate night he has looked good in most all other appearances. He has a good cabinet and the agencies are working for the USA very well. How many remember how Trump's administration was losing people and not being replaced? They couldn;t find people who wanted to work with Trump. Once Trump lost he just didn't care.
I wanted Sanders, and there is evidence that the DNC sabotaged his efforts. That said Clinton being elected would not have led to a SCOTUS going to the extreme right, and no tax cut that helped the wealthy the most, and there would have been Obama's pandemic response team that would have dealt with Covid immediately, rather that Trump's denials and chaos. Does anyone remember that Trump disbanded the pandemic response team?
Irrelevant. It tells us that conservative voters are not making a rational choice, and still continue to back a choice that has a history of poor judgment, corruption, and criminal behavior against the United States.
Many are, and seem to me a bunch of whiny brats who aren't happy people. Are any of us ever totally happy with a candidate (based on sound reasoning, not emotions)? No. There's no perfect, and that's what we want. It'll never work if we continue to act like 5 year old wo want ice cream for dinner and will scream endlessly until we get it. Biden has problems, but in the big picture he's done a great job dealing with post pandemic issues. Trump is completely unacceptable. I've seen no rational argument for why he's a viable option.
The guy who's worked to pressure Netanyahu to stop the violence in Gaza? The guy who's worked to help deliver aid? Any other democrat would do the same, including Harris if she has to take over. But Trump, the corrupt authoritarian? Many Biden critics will eat their words if Trump gets back in, as he will not give a second thought to the Gaza situation, and will give Netanyahu everything he wants. Trump might even think eliminating Gaza and rebuilding it is a new real estate opportunity, and if he could get in on it somehow he will.
He claims to have.
Yet money, weapons, & military assistance continue to flow.
Aid that arrives late & in small amounts.
You're perhaps confused by his moniker.
Replacing him isn't about his support for Israel's
genocide of Palestinians. It's his apparent inability
to beat Trump in the election.
Audie
Veteran Member
Conspiracies go in a different section
PureX
Veteran Member
Every politician in Washington is going to support Israel 100% because they are all getting money from Israel in exchange for piles of military equipment. And the US companies making all that stuff are also paying the politicians to help that flow of weapons going. So none of them are going to do a damn thing about a Palestinian genocide by Israelis using US weapons. Biden is no different from any politician you've ever voted for, or ever will.
No, it's been reported. There are photos of the harbor the USA built where aid in being delivered. Even Netanyahu has made statemenst because Biden refused to give Israel weapons that could be used against Gaza.
With conditions they aren't used to kill people in Gaza.
So you aren't ever happy? Biden is making the effort to help those in Gaza, and you are making excuses. Biden can only do so much as Israel works to subvert the efforts. Biden is in a no win situation, as he needs to help Israel since Iran and Hezbollah is just waiting for Israel to be vulnerable, and at the same time trying to save the lives in Gaza despite Israel's intent to kill them off. Looks like Netanyahu is losing support for the killing in Gaza, and a cease fire may be in the works.
Do you really think any other democrat would be doing better? There is a lot of disinformation against democrats in general. MAGA as a movement is highly unethical and immoral, yet it is popular. Whether those voters who identify as MAGA understand they full depth of the reality of Trump and his problems is doubtful. There are full MAGA members on this forum that post serious content that is counter-factual and rampant with disinformetion that they never fact-checked. they are getting that disinformation from somewhere, and there's nothing any rational thinker can do to explain it to them. They live in an alternative universe, and democrats are Socialists, Marxists, Communists, evil, out to destroy America, and more false labels designed to manipulate the minds of otherwise sane citizens. Look how your own true and factual arguments can't convince MAGAs. They are a cult, and will not consider reality as long as Trump is alive.
Dems need someone better able to beat Trump.
Even if they too are genocidal.
By that, I'm assuming you mean figuratively. Because they're not giving up their guns.
On the other hand, if someone has a gun and they're kind of shaky and mentally unstable, then a police negotiator might try to sweet talk them out of it, using a calm voice and soft, soothing words, demonstrating compassion and understanding. That might help defuse a potentially explosive situation.
Other Dems have a better chance to beat Trump.
As for your defense of Biden as humanitarian &
peacemaker on behalf of Palestinians, his record
(not his public words) of inaction speaks for itself .
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What human rights has Trump taken away?
I think there's a certain predatory nature to capitalism which has seriously undermined and diminished the level of social capital in society. Many speak of the decline in civility and how politics has degenerated and descended into the gutter. In previous times, rival political factions might have sought out common ground and tried to compromise, but the gradual erosion of social capital in these past decades has made that all but impossible.
How about Jimmy Carter? He will be 100 years old this October.
RestlessSoul
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PureX
Veteran Member
Capitalism makes us all compete with each other for everything we need to survive and thrive. This destroys social unity and mutual cooperation in favor of selfishness and indifference toward the suffering of others.
And that is exactly where are are, now.
Yet we will not allow ourselves to see it, because to see it means we will have to see that we are complicit in it. That we are now the selfish and greedy ones that really just don't care about the suffering of others. We'd much rather live with the struggle and lies and let the losers die under a bridge somewhere, out of sight and out of mind.
Reproduction rights. Trump brags about being responsible for the Dobbs decision, he is proud of the fact that women are being denied bodily autonomy.
Now I know you well enough that you are going to say Trump is not responsible for this, but Trump says he is responsible for this. And on this point he is correct.
But elections are not only about what a candidate has done. What they have done is only an indication of what they will do.
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Both, actually.
I wanted Sanders as well. I also favored Ralph Nader when he ran, as well as Jerry Brown - only to see them get torpedoed by the Democratic machine. I supported Jesse Jackson back in 1984, but the tendency of Democrats is to shy away from candidates like that in favor of milquetoast candidates who come across more as news anchors than statesmen.
I do agree with you that the Democrats would have handled things better than Trump. But that's not really saying much. And the sad thing is, with people who were rejected by the Democrats (i.e. Brown, Nader, Sanders), they could have really pushed a positive and progressive message which might have resonated with the people. They could have changed the direction of the party for the better, instead of the quagmire they're stuck in now.
How can you say it's irrelevant? Part of the problem I've noticed in the political rhetoric is there is this perception of large segments of the voting public as stupid or irrational, but I find that to be a gross oversimplification of what's actually happening.
I'm mean, it's not as if we're talking about people who strum their lips, drool, or can't spell their own names with alphabet blocks. It's not the Beverly Hillbillies or the inhabitants of Mayberry RFD we're talking about here. It runs quite a bit deeper than that, but most people (least of all Democrats) don't really care enough to delve much deeper than that. It's easier to just dismiss them as "deplorables" and leave it at that, but that's precisely what the Democrats must not do.
I'm not sure if I agree with the analogy of a 5-year-old wanting ice cream for dinner. I don't think that's an accurate characterization of what's happening, as I can see this as a confluence of multiple factors which have been brewing for quite some time - even long before Trump really came on the scene at all. I agree with the bottom that Trump is completely unacceptable, for all the aforementioned reasons.
But I think it's foolish to deny that the country, at present, is in a rather salty mood. I mentioned in another post about the diminishing of social capital these past decades, and this, along with various other maladies affecting the country, both currently and in the recent past - not to mention terror and instability elsewhere in the world - it's causing people to get a bit uncertain and impatient.
I don't know if Biden himself has "done a great job," or if he's merely a figurehead and the Administration is following a plan conceived and implemented by others. Whatever it may be, things still seem to be getting done. I kind of thought the same way about the Reagan Administration. He didn't strike me as all that bright, so it seemed he may have been a puppet of his advisors, while Reagan was more just a figurehead who played golf much of the time and took a lot of vacations on his ranch.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
With Trumps negative approval ratings, we unfortunately may be back in the position as with Hillary, the only person he can beat is Biden.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
And we saw how well that was received.