Should the Senate go into a voluntary recess to allow Trump to appoint cabinet officials without due process?

[Clizby Wampuscat]

If it was just a political hustle, whatever. But the AG may be a pedophile who paid underaged girls for sex while he did drugs with them seems like maybe not the one you should use a shortcut on. Let the report come out, or find someone, you know, who won't drip poisonous slime all over the office. I hear the Q-Anon shaman is available. That's a step up.

The DOJ elected not to prosecute these allegations which meets the definition of exoneration. I am ok with the report coming out, but if it is just he said she said then we will never know the truth.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The DOJ elected not to prosecute these allegations which meets the definition of exoneration. I am ok with the report coming out, but if it is just he said she said then we will never know the truth.

Actually, it doesn't quite meet the definition of exoneration, because the reason could be the difficulty in the credibility of two key witnesses or a lack of direct evidence implicating Gaetz. And yet, if the House Ethics Committee has found information that speaks to the ethical character of the nominee for Attorney General -- the chief Lawyer for the United States -- then the Senate, and the people, ought to hear about it.

If he has no ethical problems, why would anyone be worried about what the Committee could say?

 

[Shaul]

If the Senate has business to attend to it should go into session. If it doesn't, it shouldn't. If they don't, and Trump makes any recess appointments, those recess appointments will still face a confirmation hearing. It just occurs later. Recess appointments were made by past Presidents. They didn't become nefarious just because Trump might use them. This imbroglio is silly.

 

[Revoltingest]

The DOJ elected not to prosecute these allegations which meets the definition of exoneration.

No, it simply means declining to prosecute.
Exoneration is stronger, ie, about innocence / exculpation / vindication.

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Dropping charges can result from a case being not worth pursuing.

 

[Wirey]

The DOJ elected not to prosecute these allegations which meets the definition of exoneration. I am ok with the report coming out, but if it is just he said she said then we will never know the truth.

DOJ deciding not to prosecute and that report are two things. Release the report to the Senators. It's their call after that.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Actually, it doesn't quite meet the definition of exoneration, because the reason could be the difficulty in the credibility of two key witnesses or a lack of direct evidence implicating Gaetz. And yet, if the House Ethics Committee has found information that speaks to the ethical character of the nominee for Attorney General -- the chief Lawyer for the United States -- then the Senate, and the people, ought to hear about it.

If he has no ethical problems, why would anyone be worried about what the Committee could say?

That is why I said it should be made public and lets see the evidence.

 

[F1fan]

If the Senate has business to attend to it should go into session. If it doesn't, it shouldn't. If they don't, and Trump makes any recess appointments, those recess appointments will still face a confirmation hearing. It just occurs later. Recess appointments were made by past Presidents. They didn't become nefarious just because Trump might use them. This imbroglio is silly.

Do you NOT think it's important that the senate vet any nominations, and is a priority?

I consider it their duty, and not just some task that they do if they have time for it.

 

[Shaul]

Do you NOT think it's important that the senate vet any nominations, and is a priority?

I consider it their duty, and not just some task that they do if they have time for it.

They will vet them with or without them being recess appointments, as I have already written and explained. So your question is based an a straw man and is also moot.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That is why I said it should be made public and lets see the evidence.

And I agree!

 

[F1fan]

They will vet them with or without them being recess appointments,

Recess appointments were intended to allow a president to appoint a cabinet member if the senate happened to not be in session. At the time this rule was set the senate was not in session very much since the horse was the only means of transportation. It was a convenience, not a way to get around the rules as Trump intends. What do you think Trump is afraid of? Do you think he's worried that his picks won't make the cut?

as I have already written and explained. So your question is based an a straw man and is also moot.

You don't seem terribly excited that the senate will vet Trump's picks.

One thing that I think Trump's picks could backfire is that few of them seem to know anting about the job they will have. And how long wll it take thm to learn what the heck they are supposed to do, and then start making decisions? Months. Lacking experience might prevent them from doing too much damage as they would be like babes lost in the woods. I would worry about experienced people who knew exactly how to cause damae to the institutions they will lead. Trump's picks seem to just be people he saw on TV that day.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Why couldn't Biden order FBI background investigations of Trump's appointees? I mean, it would be an official act since he is the Chief Executive.

 

[Stevicus]

Speaking of the Senate, I came across this article about outgoing Senators Manchin and Sinema:

Will Democrats apologize to Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema now?

The two most controversial Democrats in Congress saw what was coming a mile off, writes Eric Garcia

www.independent.co.uk

“What’s the one tool that requires the Senate to work in a bipartisan way?” she said on X/Twitter. “Oh look, the filibuster.”

The same could be said for the filibuster. Democrats have come to hate the 60-vote threshold that Republicans have routinely used to obstruct legislation. According to the Brennan Center, about half of the filibusters used in the past century came in the past 12 years.

This has compelled Democrats to support creating carve-outs for voting rights or, as Harris discussed, to codify abortion rights after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade. Sinema famously put the kibosh on the former and Manchin on the latter.

But two weeks ago, Republicans clobbered Democrats and not only flipped Manchin’s seat, but also seats in Ohio and Montana. Pennsylvania’s tight Senate race triggered a recount, but if Republican Dave McCormick wins, that will give Republicans 53 seats.

That’s enough for a majority but not enough to break a filibuster, meaning it will be one of the last tools Democrats have in the shed to stop Trump.

It's a good thing they still have the option of a filibuster. They almost threw that away, and now they're going to need it.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think that the assassins of RFK Senior don't want his son to become an important figure of the Trump administration.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Recess appointments were intended to allow a president to appoint a cabinet member if the senate happened to not be in session. At the time this rule was set the senate was not in session very much since the horse was the only means of transportation. It was a convenience, not a way to get around the rules as Trump intends. What do you think Trump is afraid of? Do you think he's worried that his picks won't make the cut?

You don't seem terribly excited that the senate will vet Trump's picks.

One thing that I think Trump's picks could backfire is that few of them seem to know anting about the job they will have. And how long wll it take thm to learn what the heck they are supposed to do, and then start making decisions? Months. Lacking experience might prevent them from doing too much damage as they would be like babes lost in the woods. I would worry about experienced people who knew exactly how to cause damae to the institutions they will lead. Trump's picks seem to just be people he saw on TV that day.

Most of them will probably be fired, one by one, in some embarrassing fashion over Truth Social, over the course of the next year or so.

You know, like last time he was President and thought he was running a reality TV show.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think that the assassins of RFK Senior don't want his son to become an important figure of the Trump administration.

Are they even still alive?

 

[Estro Felino]

Are they even still alive?

I meant the elitist circle of power.
There are the heirs, now.

 

[F1fan]

Most of them will probably be fired, one by one, in some embarrassing fashion over Truth Social, over the course of the next year or so.

You know, like last time he was President and thought he was running a reality TV show.

Like his first trm it will be a daily episode of ineptitude. I will be curious how transparent they will be this time. Remember last time they had a mole in the administration who leaked insider stories and news. My guess it will be a small inner circle of people, and they will be overwhelmed with managing the federal government. And the more criminal and unethical things they do the more leaks by federal workers. Trump will try to get all federal employees to sign confidential agreements, but seriously, how will that work in the law? I can predict a lot of people getting fired, and not many who are qualified taking over the jobs. How will they get anything done?

 

[F1fan]

I think that the assassins of RFK Senior don't want his son to become an important figure of the Trump administration.

Another conspiracy theory. There was one killer. He was caught. He was jailed. End of story.

I meant the elitist circle of power.
There are the heirs, now.

Must be all the bankers you hate.

Is there evidence? Of course not, who needs evidence to invent nonsense?

And yet again, another attempt to derail a topic.

 

[Estro Felino]

Another conspiracy theory. There was one killer. He was caught. He was jailed. End of story.

How could Sirhan know that he would go through the pantry area?
He has no magic power.
The recordings show that he could never possibly reach the pantry area of the hotel before RFK could.

But yeah...I presume he has the gift of divination.
doesn't he?

Must be all the bankers you hate.

Is there evidence? Of course not, who needs evidence to invent nonsense?

And yet again, another attempt to derail a topic.

 

[F1fan]

With more criticism of Gaetz being reported I think it is kless likely that the Senate will agree to recess via Trump's request. There is still two months before the inaguration, and plenty of time for the news about Gaetz to come out. We can't expect Trump to pull any of his picks, so it will up to Gaetz to withdraw to help the senate agree to recess. Note that they have no reason to recess except to allow Trump appointments without any scrutiny. It may have been a mistake for Trump to name so many controversial people.

Stephan Miller told Sean Hanitty that he intends to push hard for recess appointments, and do so "within the law'. I imagine Miller considers threats to senators as legal.