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Should The State Actively Let You Suicide?
- Thread starter Rival
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Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
It's your business and responsibility if you want to kill yourself. The state shouldn't have their nose in it either way.
It's much easier in the U.S. where guns are easier to obtain and simply shoot oneself. Not so in Europe.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Depends on the culture.
It's not something that can be effectively regulated anyways imo.
It's not something that can be effectively regulated anyways imo.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I guess they'll need to be a little more resourceful then. Either way, I can't imagine why it should be anything other than a personal choice and responsibility.
It's still a personal choice and one's own responsibility, but instead of jumping from a bridge and causing unnecessary suffering one could just be handed a lethal injection to inject at will.
Well you know there are many things to consider, mainly legal snafus. Lots of new legal precedents will come out of it, some really weird ones. Anyway a successful suicide cannot lead to a conviction, so this is not an issue for anyone healthy enough to kill themselves. It is only attempted suicide that can be prosecuted.
Another thing is that if suicide is legal, then life insurance companies may be coerced into paying out for people who kill themselves. It is, after all, natural to want to die; and it is after all the job of life insurance companies to pay families in the event of natural disasters.
Also threatening to kill ones-self will also be considered legal, and in fact can become a commodity. For example currently you can list 'Love' as part of a transaction (to avoid taxes etc.) If suicide were to become legal you could use "For not committing suicide" in a similar transaction as an excuse to avoid paying taxes -- until a legal precedent officially pointed out how ridiculous it was.
You can also potentially be convicted of making someone kill themselves by being rude, or being a substandard parent or something like that. It opens a new class of crime.
Another thing is that if suicide is legal, then life insurance companies may be coerced into paying out for people who kill themselves. It is, after all, natural to want to die; and it is after all the job of life insurance companies to pay families in the event of natural disasters.
Also threatening to kill ones-self will also be considered legal, and in fact can become a commodity. For example currently you can list 'Love' as part of a transaction (to avoid taxes etc.) If suicide were to become legal you could use "For not committing suicide" in a similar transaction as an excuse to avoid paying taxes -- until a legal precedent officially pointed out how ridiculous it was.
You can also potentially be convicted of making someone kill themselves by being rude, or being a substandard parent or something like that. It opens a new class of crime.
I never said it was the State's decision. It's still up to the individual to go to that facility and request death.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Suicide should involve suffering. It weeds out the people who aren't really serious.
Killing oneself is legal. At least here it is.
So a woman who requests pain meds while in labour isn't really serious about having kids?
That's how it was in Soylent Green. You could go there to die, they make you comfortable and show peaceful images in a theater while you die.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Do you somehow think that giving birth is a form of suicide? I'm sorry, you're going to have to try to make this make some kind of sense for me to give a cogent reply.
Under certain circumstances, yes. IMHO
Sounds nice.
Well goodness gracious. Is it legal to pay someone to kill themselves then?
I have come to conclude that delimiting the responsibilities involving self-termination is not a matter for the state to decide. It can be difficult to establish who should decide, and that is probably for the best.
I find it cruel that you think people who are suffering massively already for some reason need to suffer even more even as they die.
I'd rather the person have to undergo psychological evaluation and counseling first before state sponsored assisted suicide, just like you must do for any non-emergency surgery, because it should not be a snap judgement, and the patient should be made aware of treatment options. But yes, ultimately I'm for painless end of life options for people who are suffering needlessly.