Should the UK and Canada trust the USA today

[Terrywoodenpic]

In the light of war plan red should can the UK and Canada trust the USA in the future.
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In the 1920's and 30's there was more US sympathy for Germany than the British Empire.
Even Hitler had a strong following.
Were it not for the German's own war effort, WW2 might have been between the USA and the UK. It was not until 1939 that the plan was shelved, but not destroyed.

 

[Storm]

Things change. Are you seriously saying we shouldn't be trusted because we thought about doing something bad nearly a hundred years ago?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't mistrust the US because of "war plan red"; I mistrust the US because of the Helms-Burton Act.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In the light of war plan red should can the UK and Canada trust the USA in the future.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Things change. Are you seriously saying we shouldn't be trusted because we thought about doing something bad nearly a hundred years ago?

That was within my life time.

 

[Storm]

That was within my life time.

That wasn't the question.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

My thought exactly. Sheesh.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You could indeed hide your face.

Is there any evidence at all, since then, that the USA has change its spots.

 

[Kathryn]

Hindsight is 20/20 - whether it's regarding Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt, or newer faces like Bin Laden and Sadam Hussein.

I'm still not sure that we made the "right trade" when it comes to Hitler vs Stalin. Which monster should the Allies have supported? Seems like an unanswerable question.

There were many leaders and citizens in the UK which supported Hitler and Germany as well. Meanwhile, the UK was definitely mishandling the "Jewish question," along with other Allies.

Strange times.

 

[Father Heathen]

Ha, ha. Fun stuff.

 

[Caladan]

every nation. even today has 'drawer plans', some of which look like they were taken out of an alternate history literature.
War Plan Red was one of several hypothetical war campaigns. the US had such plans for Germany, Japan, China, Great Britain, Mexico, South American republics and the Philippines.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

every nation. even today has 'drawer plans', some of which look like they were taken out of an alternate history literature.
War Plan Red was one of several hypothetical war campaigns. the US had such plans for Germany, Japan, China, Great Britain, Mexico, South American republics and the Philippines.

... and against King Perry in Texas.

 

[gnomon]

You could indeed hide your face.

Is there any evidence at all, since then, that the USA has change its spots.

All the nations have changed their spots. The current geopolitical structure doesn't bear much of a resemblance to that prior to WWII.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

That wasn't the question.

The answer is still probably yes. Because there is no evidence that the USA has changed the priority it gives to self interest, nor its propensity to attack those it can subdue.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You could indeed hide your face.

Is there any evidence at all, since then, that the USA has change its spots.

That the US isn't interested in invading Canada?

It'd be hard for me to come up with specific pieces of information, because this is so trivially the case that it's rarely if ever explicitly stated... like how it'd be hard for you to find clear evidence that the UK isn't planning to switch to gumdrops as its unit of currency.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The answer is still probably yes. Because there is no evidence that the USA has changed the priority it gives to self interest, nor its propensity to attack those it can subdue.

What do you think the US could possibly get out of attacking Canada? We already have free trade with them; there are pipelines running from our oilfields into their country right now... why would they invade? What could they get that they aren't getting already now?

Edit: are you also worried about the French coming up the Chunnel to kill you in your sleep?

 

[gnomon]

every nation. even today has 'drawer plans', some of which look like they were taken out of an alternate history literature.
War Plan Red was one of several hypothetical war campaigns. the US had such plans for Germany, Japan, China, Great Britain, Mexico, South American republics and the Philippines.

Canada had one for the U.S. as well.

Defense Scheme No. 1.

I'll be watching penguins on the forum a bit closer from now on.

 

[sandandfoam]

I imagine powerful neighbours often have plans to invade their neighbours. Hadn't the UK a contingency plan for invasion of Ireland during WW2?

 

[Kathryn]

The UK doesn't exactly have a sterling history when it comes to occupation and aggression.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

All the nations have changed their spots. The current geopolitical structure doesn't bear much of a resemblance to that prior to WWII.

The political stage has changed, but there is no evidence that people have in any meaningful way.

Some political trends have changed, but even the Nazis have a remaining rump.

China is in much the same stage as the USA was, vis the power of the British empire.
There are probaly other " plan Reds" on both sides leading up to the change in roles.
Lets hope that change is peaceful.