Should there be liberty for the intolerant?

[Azrael Antilla]

Unlike Eurostan, we don't have a big problem with
people calling for gassing of Roma...or anyone else.
So I prefer to avoid unnecessary censorship that
could be mis-used by politicians. As you've seen,
we've had leaders who don't deserve such power.

No I guess the KKK et al are more likely to advocate the noose for non Aryans.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Your advocacy for socialism implies oppression, economic woe and starvation

Nonsensical demonisation. Rather rich coming from a citizen of one of the most unequal and deprived nations on Earth. A nation that imprisons it's population rather than operate a proper welfare infrastructure and health care system.

 

[Revoltingest]

Socialism is a broard church without a centralised orthodoxy. At its heart lies the simple premise that workers ougt to have ownership of the means of production. Everything else that is said about socialism, is debatable.

It's not the workers owning the means of production;
it's the people owning it. (That's the definition of
"socialism"). Historically, this has always been in
the form of government controlling all, with the
result being authoritarianism & economic woe.
Capitalism has yield several effective vaccines
for Ameristan. Private ownership of the means
of production, & the profit motive are useful.

 

[Revoltingest]

No I guess the KKK et al are more likely to advocate the noose for non Aryans.

Indeed the American Nazi Party has a program
for non-Aryan allies. And about the KKK...as you
saw in the link about Daryl Davis, its members
have become friends with a black jazz musician.
Tolerance is his greatest weapon in calming &
reforming the savage bigot.

I see vile bigots as tolerant progressives who just
haven't realized their potential to be decent human
beings yet.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

It's not the workers owning the means of production;
it's the people owning it. (That's the definition of
"socialism"). Historically, this has always been in
the form of government controlling all, with the
result being authoritarianism & economic woe.
Capitalism has yield several effective vaccines
for Ameristan. Private ownership of the means
of production, & the profit motive are useful.

Nope. It's workers as espoused by Marx. State communism advocates public ownership of the means of production on behalf of the workers.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nonsensical demonisation.

Oh, boy...did you ever make the wrong inference.
Consider this...
Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia

After spending more time on RF, you'll spot such things.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Indeed the American Nazi Party has a program
for non-Aryan allies. And about the KKK...as you
saw in the link about Daryl Davis, its members
have become friends with a black jazz musician.
Tolerance is his greatest weapon in calming &
reforming the savage bigot.

I see vile bigots as tolerant progressives who just
haven't realized their potential to be decent human
beings yet.

I cannot tolerate Nazi filth. However, I accept they have a right to their opinions. Just don't spout them in public. Otherwise others will respond, with extreme prejudice.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Oh, boy...did you ever make the wrong inference.
Consider this...
Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia

After spending more time on RF, you'll spot such things.

I am very literal minded.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nope. It's workers as espoused by Marx. State communism advocates public ownership of the means of production on behalf of the workers.

Marx is long dead. And language evolves.
Modern dictionaries define the word as used today.
Definition of socialism | Dictionary.com
https://www.wordnik.com/words/socialism
Definition of SOCIALISM

His dreams were mere illusions, & not based upon
how his system would actually unfold in the real world.
The emergent properties of ditching capitalism, &
replacing it with the command economy of socialism
have an empirical record:
- Social oppression
- Political oppression
- Authoritarian single party government
- Economic stagnation
- Famine

 

[Twilight Hue]

"Nazi scum" also advocate many things that appeal
to Ameristanian liberals, Antifas, & socialists.
Ref...
What We Stand For – American Nazi Party
Excerpted....
We also demand public control of all banking and credit institutions as well as all utilities and all monopolies, confiscation of all conglomerate holdings, cancellation of all usurious debt, comprehensive profit sharing in all basic industries, and the institution of a national program of interest-free loans for families, farmers, and small businessmen.
:
It is our goal that the Aryan republic be totally self-sufficient in energy, and that the types of energy it employs be non-polluting. Towards these ends, we demand a phasing out of all forms of energy which befoul the environment, such as coal, petroleum, and nuclear fission. To replace them, we demand an immediate and massive program to develop new, CLEAN energy sources.

It's stunning how fascist sites like Nazi-ism are so inline with left-wing ideology that is being aggressively pushed on the public. Eerie even.

Eco Nazi-ism an environmentalism term, even in the 70s has barely lost its 'freshness'.

 

[Revoltingest]

I cannot tolerate Nazi filth. However, I accept they have a right to their opinions. Just don't spout them in public. Otherwise others will respond, with extreme prejudice.

I prefer to change minds by civil discussion rather than violence.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Marx is long dead. And language evolves.
Modern dictionaries define the word as used today.
Definition of socialism | Dictionary.com
https://www.wordnik.com/words/socialism
Definition of SOCIALISM

His dreams were mere illusions, & not based upon
how his system would actually unfold in the real world.
The emergent properties of ditching capitalism, &
replacing it with the command economy of socialism
have an empirical record:
- Social oppression
- Political oppression
- Authoritarian single party government
- Economic stagnation
- Famine

Democratic socialism. Is what I would advocate not communism.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's stunning how fascist sites like Nazi ism are so inline with left-wing ideology that being pushed on the public. Eerie even.

Perhaps the left rails against nazis because
they're uncomfortable with hating them, yet
having so very much in common?
The left is ostensibly tolerant, but here they
are advocating intolerance & violence against
others over political disagreement.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

It's stunning how fascist sites like Nazi-ism are so inline with left-wing ideology that is being aggressively pushed on the public. Eerie even.

Your demonisation is aggressively ignorant. The left are not Nazis. Nazis are fascists and the only thing they notably have in common is the advocacy of a mixed economy of private and public ownership. Capitalism, on the other hand is dangerous because the free market is indifferent to human suffering. All capitalists care about, is their own self interest.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Perhaps the left rails against nazis because
they're uncomfortable with hating them, yet
having so very much in common?
The left is ostensibly tolerant, but here they
are advocating intolerance & violence against
others over political disagreement.

I think the means to an end, left or right wing for that matter, is identical as far as the end goal is concerned.

Roads to tyranny and totalitarianism.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Perhaps the left rails against nazis because
they're uncomfortable with hating them, yet
having so very much in common?
The left is ostensibly tolerant, but here they
are advocating intolerance & violence against
others over political disagreement.

Your opinion. Not factual information.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Your demonisation is aggressively ignorant. The left are not Nazis. Nazis are fascists and the only thing they notably have in common is the advocacy of a mixed economy of private and public ownership. Capitalism, on the othe hand is dangerous because the free market is indifferent to human suffering. All capitalists care about, is their own self interest.

No. Nazis were essentially socialist.

It's in the historical record.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am very literal minded.

Were you so, you'd have taken the post literally,
without adding inferences. I did not demonize
socialism. Rather, I gave my opinion of it, &
used the other posters reasoning for reductio
ad absurdum to argue against it.
I was quite explicit about that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your opinion. Not factual information.

Back at ya, bub.
It's not like anyone here proffers The Truth from on high.
But I have dictionaries on my side regarding what the
word "socialism" means. And history comports with
my description of the emergent properties of socialism.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

No. Nazis were essentially socialist.

It's in the historical record.

No they were facists. You are a typical alt right mouth piece.