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Should We Follow the Majority?

Pipiripi

End Times Prophecy.
English is obviously not your native language. Oh yes, there are magicians and tricksters in all countries. In India, they produce watches, rings, necklaces or flowers, ash out of nothing. Is that what you were asking? And how many people would you be able to impress with your 'End of Time' prophecies in this 21st Century? The world has moved beyond that. You cannot turn the clock back by 2000 years.
Yes, I'm not an English man, but I can defend myself with four languages.

Dutch
Spanish
English
Papiamentu.

So it there are magicians try to find one of the greatest on earth and ask them with which power they are doing their tricks. And also go on YouTube and see. Sacred Rihanna. And let me know if there is no God.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
My brother was a classmate of P.C. Sorcar Jr., a renowned magician himself and the son of the most famous magician of India Sorcar Sr. He used various tricks. Hundreds of fake Indian Holy men show these tricks to public to impress people. I think there are even better magicians today, whose exploits are shown on Discovery channel. I doubt if Jesus could do all that. But the tricks of these magicians do not prove the existence of God.

P. C. Sorcar - Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._C._Sorcar_Jr.
(Sorcar Jr.'s signature trick is the use of light refraction to convey the impression that large scale objects have vanished. Past performances have included the "disappearance" of the Taj Mahal and the Indore – Amritsar Express Rail. On 8 November 2000, Sorcar "vanished" the Taj Mahal for two minutes in Kachhpura in Agra. He also made the Victoria Memorial disappear on the 300th anniversary of Calcutta, and vanished a train full of passengers before a large crowd at Bardhaman Rail Junction, West Bengal, India in 1992. )

 
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Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
You should follow neither. You should follow the facts.

Neither. Nor should you follow the "facts." Following facts is generally a good idea, but it depends on the time period.

You should not follow the facts in old soviet Russia for insrance because all facts were propaganda. Nor should you follow the facts in any point that they look biased. The first skill to learn is discernment and critical thinking.

But you should neither follow the many or the few.

Let's look at the few. The "experts." Many people trust the opinion of their weather forecaster, reasoning that they have a meteorology degree and know what they are talking about. Actually, it depends on the station. Some networks take people with any degree, but particularly business or telecommunications, and what they really want is someone who sounds official rather than someone actually educated. The people making a forecast for the "forecaster" just stare at projection screens and extrapolate. It's not an exact science. "This hurricane is going to head up the shore smashing the entire coastline." Ummm no actually , it's gonna hit Florida and Haiti. Like it usually does. And I'm gonna go to sleep and not worry. Like (increasingly as of late) nervous nelly mother (Mom, please just breathe). And Haiti will probably as for more money as they are a basketcase country dependent on handouts, which has stripped most of their foliage bare to build subpar housing. Then there's "climate scientists" involved in your weather, who are experts with a political axe to grind. They are right even less than your typical media presence forecaster because they will always try to sensationalize the weather. Higher predictions for floods, warmer temperatures to create a global warming bias (they fiddle with numbers, throwing out low ones, etc), or just straight push politics.

Official readings show no warming in US over last 15+ yrs.

Byt how accurate are licensed meteorology degree forecasters? 90%, 80%, and 50%. That is for five day readings, they are 90% sure, 80% sure for seven day, and beyond that, about 50%. That sounds great, except that 50% is a coin flip, 80% is a 2/10 failure rate, and even though 90% sounds like you can't lose, find some d10 dice. It isn't one in every ten, it's a random luck deal. I had some dice handy. In four rolls, I hit 7, 7, 4, and 7. In ten rolls, I got around five 7s. If 90% had a 7 every time you miss, you miss pretty often.

How Reliable Are Weather Forecasts? | NOAA SciJinks – All About Weather

And why shouldn't you trust the many? Well, let's look at climate science again. Suppose you heard this statistic. "There is a consensus among climate scientists that climate is probably changing." Name things wrong with this! First, we have the weasel word probably, which makes the entire thing worthless. But consensus is not science. Nor should you trust the masses. They may be hysterical. Even back in the 17th century, you could still find tribes of people who had witch doctors and stuff. Much of this today is sanitized to be Politically Correct, and these witch doctors are now called regional faith experts. But the native residents know they're witch doctors. Likewise, phone psychics aren't much different from what used to happen. And just because many people believe in superstition, doesn't make it real.

In the end, you should trust yourself. You can decide for yourself what to trust, and it will usually be more accurate than the opinions of experts or a bunch of people. And you should try to be able to trust your friends. When you can't have friends anymore, life is really hard. In the time of Jesus, Jesus's followers trusted Jesus. In the time of Noah, everyone followed the weather predictions of their day, except for Noah's family.
 
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Pipiripi

End Times Prophecy.
My brother was a classmate of P.C. Sorcar Jr., a renowned magician himself and the son of the most famous magician of India Sorcar Sr. He used various tricks. Hundreds of fake Indian Holy men show these tricks to public to impress people. I think there are even better magicians today, whose exploits are shown on Discovery channel. I doubt if Jesus could do all that. But the tricks of these magicians do not prove the existence of God.

P. C. Sorcar - Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._C._Sorcar_Jr.
(Sorcar Jr.'s signature trick is the use of light refraction to convey the impression that large scale objects have vanished. Past performances have included the "disappearance" of the Taj Mahal and the Indore – Amritsar Express Rail. On 8 November 2000, Sorcar "vanished" the Taj Mahal for two minutes in Kachhpura in Agra. He also made the Victoria Memorial disappear on the 300th anniversary of Calcutta, and vanished a train full of passengers before a large crowd at Bardhaman Rail Junction, West Bengal, India in 1992. )

Okay, than you are telling me that this magician exists and the power they used also exist. You see what they do with some power that you don't see. What about Sacred Riana?
Go on YouTube and let me know. But see it completely.
 

McBell

Unbound
Yes, I also know that, the problem is that if you can proof Biblical what the Bible teaches, and if the opposite of what you are saying they don't like it, because it is against theirs teachings. And they know that you are right. They tried to banner you because you are letting people go against their teachings. An example: Jesus Christ says think not or don't think...... Matthew 5:17-18. But why the majority think that the Law is done with? And when they defend themselves with Jesus dead on the cross...... I ask them does this earth and heaven has past away? Then SILENT. Non of them ask me more questions and also ask me why I am following only the Bible. Bless
As I have already stated and you apparently ignore:

As can even be said about your beliefs from those who take a different perspective of the Bible than you.
When your own argument is just as valid when used against your argument...
 

Pipiripi

End Times Prophecy.
As I have already stated and you apparently ignore:
As can even be said about your beliefs from those who take a different perspective of the Bible than you.
When your own argument is just as valid when used against your argument...
I don't ignore what you have say, maybe my bad English is the problem. If you are BIBLICAL with what God said, we don't have to argue with each other. You know that the Bible interpreted itself. Bless.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Neither. Nor should you follow the "facts." Following facts is generally a good idea, but it depends on the time period.

You should not follow the facts in old soviet Russia for insrance because all facts were propaganda. Nor should you follow the facts in any point that they look biased. The first skill to learn is discernment and critical thinking.

But you should neither follow the many or the few.

Let's look at the few. The "experts." Many people trust the opinion of their weather forecaster, reasoning that they have a meteorology degree and know what they are talking about. Actually, it depends on the station. Some networks take people with any degree, but particularly business or telecommunications, and what they really want is someone who sounds official rather than someone actually educated. The people making a forecast for the "forecaster" just stare at projection screens and extrapolate. It's not an exact science. "This hurricane is going to head up the shore smashing the entire coastline." Ummm no actually , it's gonna hit Florida and Haiti. Like it usually does. And I'm gonna go to sleep and not worry. Like (increasingly as of late) nervous nelly mother (Mom, please just breathe). And Haiti will probably as for more money as they are a basketcase country dependent on handouts, which has stripped most of their foliage bare to build subpar housing. Then there's "climate scientists" involved in your weather, who are experts with a political axe to grind. They are right even less than your typical media presence forecaster because they will always try to sensationalize the weather. Higher predictions for floods, warmer temperatures to create a global warming bias (they fiddle with numbers, throwing out low ones, etc), or just straight push politics.

Official readings show no warming in US over last 15+ yrs.

Byt how accurate are licensed meteorology degree forecasters? 90%, 80%, and 50%. That is for five day readings, they are 90% sure, 80% sure for seven day, and beyond that, about 50%. That sounds great, except that 50% is a coin flip, 80% is a 2/10 failure rate, and even though 90% sounds like you can't lose, find some d10 dice. It isn't one in every ten, it's a random luck deal. I had some dice handy. In four rolls, I hit 7, 7, 4, and 7. In ten rolls, I got around five 7s. If 90% had a 7 every time you miss, you miss pretty often.

How Reliable Are Weather Forecasts? | NOAA SciJinks – All About Weather

And why shouldn't you trust the many? Well, let's look at climate science again. Suppose you heard this statistic. "There is a consensus among climate scientists that climate is probably changing." Name things wrong with this! First, we have the weasel word probably, which makes the entire thing worthless. But consensus is not science. Nor should you trust the masses. They may be hysterical. Even back in the 17th century, you could still find tribes of people who had witch doctors and stuff. Much of this today is sanitized to be Politically Correct, and these witch doctors are now called regional faith experts. But the native residents know they're witch doctors. Likewise, phone psychics aren't much different from what used to happen. And just because many people believe in superstition, doesn't make it real.

In the end, you should trust yourself. You can decide for yourself what to trust, and it will usually be more accurate than the opinions of experts or a bunch of people. And you should try to be able to trust your friends. When you can't have friends anymore, life is really hard. In the time of Jesus, Jesus's followers trusted Jesus. In the time of Noah, everyone followed the weather predictions of their day, except for Noah's family.

Propaganda is not facts. There may be facts within propaganda, of course. But you would need to strip away the propaganda and then be left with the facts. Propaganda may be presented as fact, but that does not make it a fact. Propaganda is ever present even today...from governments, political parties, corporations, etc.

Yes, whether many or few, the number of people who believe something does not speak to it's truthfulness.
 

tayla

My dog's name is Tayla
"Well, this has been the belief of the majority for centuries, so it must be right. I'm not going to go along with just a few who believe differently. It's the majority that have the truth".
I prefer to follow truth. Even if only a minority agree with me.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
MAJORITY OR FEW?

During the time of Jesus Christ, who had the truth? The majority or the few?
Before you answered read Matthew 7:13-14.
During the time of Jesus Christ, only the few had the truth.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

It says that few find the small gate and the narrow road that leads to life.
But 2.4 billion people have found Jesus because that is how many Christians there are in the world.

I believe that those verses applied to Christians of 2,000 years ago when few had found Jesus but those verses are do not apply to Christians of today. Given 29% of people in the world are Christians many have entered through that gate so it must be a wide gate and a broad road, not the narrow gate that few find.

In short, the narrow gate was Christianity thousands of years ago when Jesus uttered those words, because few had found it Jesus, but Christianity is no longer the narrow gate because Christians are not few anymore.

Christianity is the world's most practiced religion in 2019, and experts estimate that it will remain as the largest religion in the world for many years to come. Mar 21, 2020
Largest Religions in the World (2020) - Swedish Nomad

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I believe that whenever a new Messenger of God appears, He is the narrow gate by which we can attain eternal life.

I believe that in every new age, the religion at the narrow gate is the new religion God wants us to find and follow, because it has the message and the teachings and laws that are pertinent to the present age.

I believe that in this new age, the narrow gate is the Baha’i Faith and it is narrow because only a few people recognize God’s new religion in the beginning. That is why the Baha’i Faith is still relatively small.

“The Book of God is wide open, and His Word is summoning mankind unto Him. No more than a mere handful, however, hath been found willing to cleave to His Cause, or to become the instruments for its promotion. These few have been endued with the Divine Elixir that can, alone, transmute into purest gold the dross of the world, and have been empowered to administer the infallible remedy for all the ills that afflict the children of men. No man can obtain everlasting life, unless he embraceth the truth of this inestimable, this wondrous, and sublime Revelation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 183

The religion at the narrow gate is the gate that leads to eternal life. But it is not that easy for most people to find this gate because most people are steeped in religious tradition or attached to what they already believe. If they do not have a religion, most people are suspicious of the new religion and the new messenger. If they are atheists they do not like the idea of messengers of God or they think they are all phonies.

Jesus told us to enter through the narrow gate, the gate that leads to eternal life, and He said few people would find that gate... It is narrow, so it is difficult to get through... It is difficult to get through because one has to be willing to give up all their preconceived ideas, have an open mind, and think for themselves. Most people do not normally embark upon such a journey. They go through the wide gate, the easy one to get through – their own religious tradition or their own preconceived ideas about God or no god. They follow that broad road that is easiest for them to travel. That is human nature.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I mean looksie at all the cults, sects, etc. that are even more "in the few" than yours...
Christianity was "in the few" back in the days of Jesus but Christianity is not in the few now since it is the largest religion in the world. :rolleyes:

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

In short, the narrow gate by which we could attain eternal life was Christianity thousands of years ago when Jesus uttered those words, because few had found it Jesus, but Christianity is no longer the narrow gate because Christians are not few anymore.

Christianity is the world's most practiced religion in 2019, and experts estimate that it will remain as the largest religion in the world for many years to come. Mar 21, 2020
Largest Religions in the World (2020) - Swedish Nomad

I believe that Jesus knew something about human nature when He uttered those words above (see my post above).
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
God Himself say that He have a remnant people to sent into the world. Read Revelation 12:1-17 and 14:6-12. I hope that you have understand what God said there.
Many Christians believe they are the remnant people, but obviously they cannot all be the remnant people because 29% of people in the world are Christians, and that is more than a remnant.

So who is to say who the remnant people are?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Understand this, the Few that I'm talking about is what God Himself says. Read Revelation 12:17 and 14:12.
These people are the Few that was from the beginning till Jesus return. The majority of Christians never have see the Three Angels Messages. Why? Because no one have preached it. (I can, can ...?)
All Christians believe they are the Few but logically speaking all Christians cannot be the Few because Christians are many.

Christianity is the world's most practiced religion in 2019, and experts estimate that it will remain as the largest religion in the world for many years to come. Mar 21, 2020
Largest Religions in the World (2020) - Swedish Nomad
 

McBell

Unbound
Christianity was "in the few" back in the days of Jesus but Christianity is not in the few now since it is the largest religion in the world. :rolleyes:

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

In short, the narrow gate by which we could attain eternal life was Christianity thousands of years ago when Jesus uttered those words, because few had found it Jesus, but Christianity is no longer the narrow gate because Christians are not few anymore.

Christianity is the world's most practiced religion in 2019, and experts estimate that it will remain as the largest religion in the world for many years to come. Mar 21, 2020
Largest Religions in the World (2020) - Swedish Nomad

I believe that Jesus knew something about human nature when He uttered those words above (see my post above).
So which one is the "narrow gate" now?
 

Pipiripi

End Times Prophecy.
All Christians believe they are the Few but logically speaking all Christians cannot be the Few because Christians are many.

Christianity is the world's most practiced religion in 2019, and experts estimate that it will remain as the largest religion in the world for many years to come. Mar 21, 2020
Largest Religions in the World (2020) - Swedish Nomad
Read again my statement, it is in the Bible which person that have the truth BIBLICAL.
 
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