Shunned by a child

[Draka]

You did good Draka.

Thank you. I intend to proceed as though nothing has happened the next time we are all outside again and see how things go. See how a little time works on her mind.

 

[Renji]

Perhaps the kid doesn't think ill of you at all.
It could be that you threaten the only worldview that she's ever known.
She might just be scared about her confusion.

Same thoughts. Good point!

 

[Me Myself]

Facepalm.

Ive been in catholic groups before. All my life actually. I know how they are.

Highly passive aggressive about stuff. Some of the most damaging stuff are done in the most seemingly "harmless" way possible.

I remember we were in a high school project of helping in a public school (because here in Ecuador, non private schools TRULY suck ) and I remember the teacher of our high school talking to the kids when all in line and among other parables he asked "So how many of you love Christ?" almost all said "Meee!" then he said something like "Anyone here that doesn't like/believe/love him? " On raised his hand, kind of shy and looking at his partners. The teacher said "oh, how shameful!" . His tone was still the kind of tone used when he was talking to the kids, but his emphasis in shameful made the kid put down his hand and get a body language expression as if he wanted the earth to eat him up everyone looked at him some laughed and pointed.

It is really rough what is done to kids, and in such seemingly harmless ways. It is truly sad. Now all the others learned by my teacher it was okay to treat like that non Christians. Lovely.

 

[Me Myself]

Perhaps the kid doesn't think ill of you at all.
It could be that you threaten the only worldview that she's ever known.
She might just be scared about her confusion.

Sadly, most bible groups will tell her a lot of "facts" to replace her confusion about it. You do know how easily confusion can turn into fear, even without someone else helping you to that transition.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sadly, most bible groups will tell her a lot of "facts" to replace her confusion about it. You do know how easily confusion can turn into fear, even without someone else helping you to that transition.

Yeah....I'm just look'n on the bright side for Draka's sake.

 

[Me Myself]

Yeah....I'm just look'n on the bright side for Draka's sake.

Must show the dark side too.

One must be aware, even if it hurts.

 

[Renji]

Ive been in catholic groups before. All my life actually. I know how they are.

Highly passive aggressive about stuff. Some of the most damaging stuff are done in the most seemingly "harmless" way possible.

I remember we were in a high school project of helping in a public school (because here in Ecuador, non private schools TRULY suck ) and I remember the teacher of our high school talking to the kids when all in line and among other parables he asked "So how many of you love Christ?" almost all said "Meee!" then he said something like "Anyone here that doesn't like/believe/love him? " On raised his hand, kind of shy and looking at his partners. The teacher said "oh, how shameful!" . His tone was still the kind of tone used when he was talking to the kids, but his emphasis in shameful made the kid put down his hand and get a body language expression as if he wanted the earth to eat him up everyone looked at him some laughed and pointed.

It is really rough what is done to kids, and in such seemingly harmless ways. It is truly sad. Now all the others learned by my teacher it was okay to treat like that non Christians. Lovely.

Then the problem is that teacher of yours. Not all people do that nor have that kind of view.

And as Revy said, let's try to look on the positive side. There are a lot of angles in a single scenario.

 

[Me Myself]

Then the problem is that teacher of yours. Not all people do that nor have that kind of view.

oh that was not at all an isolated case with an isolated person. I ve been in many christian groups and also known many really religious Christians. Most of them look at a non-Christians as a person willfully deluding him/herself because of sloth/lust/greed/anger/Pride/gluttony/Envy/all-of-them-combined or even not deluding him/herself but intentionally "against" God AND spreading their sin/lies/both to everyone they meet

I am simply talking by experience. A LOT of experience.

I am not saying it is impossible that her bible group is not like that, but I would be truly surprised. It would be a VERY special bible group.

And as Revy said, let's try to look on the positive side. There are a lot of angles in a single scenario.

Lets look at ALL of them. I agree with what he said and I also saw it. I just completed the information.

 

[Revoltingest]

Must show the dark side too.
One must be aware, even if it hurts.

In the absence of info suggesting pessimism, I'll stick with optimism.

 

[Me Myself]

In the absence of info suggesting pessimism, I'll stick with optimism.

"Prepare for the worst hope for the best"

Also, which do you truly think is the most likely scenario?

 

[Renji]

I know Me Myself. But the case is that not all people have experience like that of yours. Remember that the case here is the mindset of an 11 y/o girl who might see things differently than we (as "adults") do, in relation to her action.

 

[Me Myself]

I know Me Myself. But the case is that not all people have experience like that of yours. Remember that the case here is the mindset of an 11 y/o girl in who might see things differently than we (as "adults") do, in relation to her action.

11 year olds are more likely t think on black and white than adults.

It is also more likely that they will be taught about morality in black and white ways.

That in Un-religious subjects BTW. In religious subjects multiply that by a hundred.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Prepare for the worst hope for the best"

Agreed...but in Draka's case, there's nothing to prepare for.

Also, which do you truly think is the most likely scenario?

I've no idea.

 

[Renji]

One things for sure. I won't blame the kid for it, even if your (Me Myself's)propositions were true. I say, let's wait for the kido to mature (in terms of thinking).

 

[Me Myself]

Agreed...but in Draka's case, there's nothing to prepare for.

Depends. If this was another scenario and I thought confusion itself was the problem I would just explain a bit better to the child next time we meet. If I am aware that what I could say about the subject can be further interpreted and distorted by a lot of NICE people as horrible on my part then I know I must avoid the subject.

Information is good, even when it is just of what is more likely.

 

[Me Myself]

One things for sure. I won't blame the kid for it, even if your propositions were true. I say, let's wait for the kido to mature (in terms of thinking).

Idk, I ve never seen much productivity in "blaming" anyone.

We can only pray she beats the odds and grows up well and with a good refined view on that subject.

 

[Renji]

Idk, I ve never seen much productivity in "blaming" anyone.

We can only pray she beats the odds and grows up well and with a good refined view on that subject.

Just a question, are you trying to immitate my "open and close quote" responses (and my phrases being enclosed in the parenthesis)? I've been doing that when I started posting in the forum.

 

[Me Myself]

Just a question, are you trying to immitate my "open and close quote" responses (and my phrases being enclosed in the parenthesis)? I've been doing that when I started posting in the forum.

Open and close quotes? I dont even know what you mean by that xD.

About the parenthesis, I ve been doing that all my life xD.

edit: Ah! that! no I do it a lot too. Since always

 

[ChristineES]

When I was a child, I was in a family that had no religion. I never told anyone that because I was afraid to- almost everyone I knew was a Christian of some kind. Maybe I was afraid that people would do to me what this child did to you. It's pretty sad.

 

[Wirey]

There is an 11y/o girl who lives next door that I have chatted with from time to time while my kids and her younger brother and sister have played outside. Quite talkative and bubbly and nice, I have never had issue with her wanting to chat with me while the others have played. Today, she started asking about exactly what ages my kids were because she thought they would be a good fit for her brother and sister's youth bible group. She talked up the group for a bit and I smiled and told her while it sounded nice it wasn't something we would be interested in. She tried again, saying how fun it was, and I told her it did sound fun, that wasn't the issue, I just wouldn't be comfortable with the bible study itself. She gave me a weird look and I stated in an almost apologetic way that we weren't Christian. She turned around and walked away and went back to sitting on her back porch steps with her brother and hasn't spoken a word to me since. Shunned,...by an 11y/o...for not being a Christian. Wow. Up until then I was interesting and nice and whenever she saw me outside she made a direct line to me to chat with me. Suddenly...I have the plague. Imagine that.

Are all you heathens this whiny?

Seriously, she's 11. Hopefully she gets a little wiser later in life.