Sickening footage showing Hamas interrogators torturing innocent Palestinians

[AsianActivist]

Harrowing video shows Hamas torturing innocent Palestinians

The horrifying incidents appear to have been filmed inadvertently by CCTV cameras inside a Hamas military base in northern Gaza raided by Israeli troops this year

www.dailymail.co.uk

Israel is liberating the palestinians from Hamas.

The hatred and lies that say otherwise are a major issue, but what matters most is standing up for the truth. I believe it’s important to walk the streets, attend classes, and stay aware of what Hamas is doing. Protesting is important, but so is standing firm and remaining focused when facing challenges. Please consider the hidden plans behind some of the difficult political, economic, and educational issues Palestinians are facing. These problems are easy to explain: it is there own government, Hamas, that keeps them this way.

Perhaps if so-called "palestinians" actually spent time developing there country rather than using all available energy and resources to conduct genocide against Jewish people, they'd be better off.

Hamas has been banned from entering many countries due to its history of military and human rights violations. They often spread conspiracy theories, debunked long ago towards the Jewish people —ideas that are both misleading and harmful. The only way Hamas is still able to maintain its hold on territory, using fear and manipulation to control those around them. I hope that, over time, they might change for the better, but I remain skeptical. They have pushed forward with harmful actions and lies that have only caused more conflict.

While I wish there was room for peaceful discussions, but Hamas has shown little interest in hearing alternative viewpoints.

 

[Jimmy]

Torture is disgusting.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Israel is liberating the palestinians from Hamas.

Are you talking about the more than 40K killed or the more than 2M facing famine?

Your sick, hate-fed demagoguery disgusts me.

 

[InChrist]

Are you talking about the more than 40K killed or the more than 2M facing famine?

Your sick, hate-fed demagoguery disgusts me.

Exactly what do you consider hate-fed demagoguery in the OP?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Exactly what do you consider hate-fed demagoguery in the OP?

To start with, the link and the opening line.

 

[Lyndon]

No mention of the Israeli government's torture of Palestinian prisoners, including rape, amputations etc

 

[InChrist]

To start with, the link and the opening line.

I didn’t actually look at the link. I don’t necessarily disagree with the opening line, though, since I do believe Hamas has and does use and abuse the Palestinian people terribly.

 

[Lyndon]

in no way does Hamas abuse the Palestinian people as badly as the Israeli government

 

[Debater Slayer]

Perhaps if so-called "palestinians" [...]

Like some of your other posts, this one has its fair share of shrill, strident extremism and racism. If you wanted to make a useful point, much less one where you claimed to care about Palestinians' issues, not engaging in the denial of an entire ethnic identity's existence would be a good start.

Sometimes I wonder what your goal is in occasionally dropping by to post these diatribes and then barely engaging or not engaging at all with replies to the threads.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I didn’t actually look at the link. I don’t necessarily disagree with the opening line, though, since I do believe Hamas has and does use and abuse the Palestinian people terribly.

You don't necessarily disagree? Seriously?

The opening line is:

Israel is liberating the palestinians from Hamas.

Just what sorry excuse for reason allows you to possibly agree with such obnoxious drivel?

I have made my deep hatred of Hamas very clear in numerous posts. I fully support - in fact long for - their eradication, but not eradication at any cost. Absolutely nothing about Hamas depravity justifies the outrage committed daily by the Israeli regime, and to characterize this carnage as "liberating" is ugly, sociopathic stupidity.

And I am far from the only informed Jew who thinks so.

Yesterday the paywalled Haaretz ran an article headlined

In Sign of Growing Strains, Netanyahu Not Invited​

to Biggest Jewish-American Confab of the Year​

reporting:

For the first time in his many years of serving as prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu has not been invited to address the annual conference of the Jewish Federations of North America, which will be held this week in Washington D.C.​

​

It is a sign of how divisive a figure Netanyahu has become, even among Jewish legacy organizations like the JFNA, which have typically refrained from criticizing the Israeli prime minister and his government.​

It summarizes

Although the rally is meant to be a show of Jewish unity and solidarity, several left-leaning Jewish organizations that participated in last year's event have announced that they will not show up for this one.​

​

In a statement, these organizations expressed concerns that their participation might be interpreted as support for the policies of the current Israeli government.​

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"This is a critical moment in history for Jewish unity, but unity should not be misconstrued as uniformity – as there are multiple ways to advocate for these policies," the statement said.​

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"Standing with Israel can and should include solidarity with the hundreds of thousands of Israelis who have protested in the streets over the past many months, calling for their government to end the war, to prioritize the redemption of captives, and to choose democracy over a messianic settler agenda."​

​

The statement was signed by Ameinu*, Americans for Peace Now, Habonim Dror North America, J Street*, New Israel Fund*, New York Jewish Agenda, Partners for Progressive Israel*, and T'ruah*. (asterisks added to identify organiztions which I actively support - JS)​

 

[InChrist]

You don't necessarily disagree? Seriously?

The opening line is:


Just what sorry excuse for reason allows you to possibly agree with such obnoxious drivel?

I have made my deep hatred of Hamas very clear in numerous posts. I fully support - in fact long for - their eradication, but not eradication at any cost. Absolutely nothing about Hamas depravity justifies the outrage committed daily by the Israeli regime, and to characterize this carnage as "liberating" is ugly, sociopathic stupidity.

And I am far from the only informed Jew who thinks so.

Yesterday the paywalled Haaretz ran an article headlined

In Sign of Growing Strains, Netanyahu Not Invited​

to Biggest Jewish-American Confab of the Year​

reporting:

For the first time in his many years of serving as prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu has not been invited to address the annual conference of the Jewish Federations of North America, which will be held this week in Washington D.C.​

​

It is a sign of how divisive a figure Netanyahu has become, even among Jewish legacy organizations like the JFNA, which have typically refrained from criticizing the Israeli prime minister and his government.​

It summarizes

Although the rally is meant to be a show of Jewish unity and solidarity, several left-leaning Jewish organizations that participated in last year's event have announced that they will not show up for this one.​

​

In a statement, these organizations expressed concerns that their participation might be interpreted as support for the policies of the current Israeli government.​

​

"This is a critical moment in history for Jewish unity, but unity should not be misconstrued as uniformity – as there are multiple ways to advocate for these policies," the statement said.​

​

"Standing with Israel can and should include solidarity with the hundreds of thousands of Israelis who have protested in the streets over the past many months, calling for their government to end the war, to prioritize the redemption of captives, and to choose democracy over a messianic settler agenda."​

​

The statement was signed by Ameinu*, Americans for Peace Now, Habonim Dror North America, J Street*, New Israel Fund*, New York Jewish Agenda, Partners for Progressive Israel*, and T'ruah*. (asterisks added to identify organiztions which I actively support - JS)​

Thanks for your thoughts and the linked articles and quotes. One thing I don’t quite understand is why several left-leaning Jewish organizations are not showing up to
the annual conference of the Jewish Federations of North America, if
Benjamin Netanyahu has NOT been invited?

You indicate you would like to see Hamas eradicated. I think the eradication of Hamas is imperative for the ongoing safe existence of the nation of Israel and the Israeli citizens. Besides that, I truly think the Palestinian people would be safer and freer were Hamas eliminated. I believe Netanyahu is on a mission to do this and for him to stop short would be a huge mistake and only embolden, enable and encourage the terrorists to continue. The collateral damage to human life is horrific, but sadly that is what happens in war situations. How many German and other Europeans civilians were killed or displaced in the attempt to destroy the Nazis? But what if the Nazis were not stopped? From all I have read Israel more than any other country’s military has taken extreme measures to prevent civilian casualties. It is just very complicated in Gaza where Hamas has entwined their terrorist activities in the midst of and in tunnels underneath civilian areas. So as difficult as the situation is, I think Netanyahu must finish the course.
Ultimately, I believe it will bring more safety for Israel and stability for the entire region…and freedom and more opportunity for the Palestinian people who have been brutally used and abused by Hamas.


Liz Hirsh Naftali, a hostage-release advocate and humanitarian ambassador, knows this suffering all too well. She lost her niece to the terrorists on October 7; and her great-niece, 4-year-old Abigail, was taken hostage. Although Abigail was released in November 2023, Naftali’s commitment to advocacy has not wavered.

“If Hamas freed all the hostages tomorrow,” she said, “the fighting would stop; and the Palestinian people in Gaza, who suffer gravely under Hamas, would also be free.”


“Approximately 1.9 million Palestinians have been displaced in Gaza as the IDF works to dismantle years of Hamas rule that have been characterized by extensive military infrastructure built beneath Gaza’s neighborhoods—more than 350 miles of terrorist tunnels, far exceeding analysts’ expectations.

For nearly 20 years, Hamas has failed the Palestinian people. Its leaders do not seek to improve lives in Gaza but instead are consumed with destroying Israel. Hamas values death over life.”

https://harbingersdaily.com/let-my-people-go-hamas-is-following-in-pharaohs-disasterous-footsteps-and-it-wont-end-well/

 

[dybmh]

40K killed or the more than 2M facing famine?

The consequences of caching weapons all over Gaza then attacking Israel in the manner which they did.

Western civilian criticism of the IDF is arguing from ignorance. "I don't know the reasons for the death toll, but they must be wrong."

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The consequences of caching weapons all over Gaza then attacking Israel in the manner which they did.

It is the consequences of caching weapons all over Gaza then attacking Israel in the manner which they did, knowing that (a) the Netanyahu will react with utter and depraved indifference to the displacement and slaughter of inncent civilians, an indifference matched by your own.

Western civilian criticism of the IDF is arguing from ignorance.

No, it is not.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Yeah I don't think I want to look at that, no thanks. I don't understand the psychology behind people engaging in torture, but I'll try to think about it for a second: I think maybe it comes down to a skewed sense of resentment, power, or power and resentment combined. One might contrast the slave owners of the American south to the attackers on October 7th: the former engaged in slave-owning out of a false sense of power, and the latter engaged in the attacks (which may have included copious torture) out of a sense of resentment. But I don't think that an unachievable want of power, and the existence of resentment, always lead to the abuse of others. I don't know, maybe I'm not making sense, but I'm trying to

I think that with power and resentment, there is a pivot point, where the individual or groups that are failing, either externalize their failures into the abuse of other humans, or they use failure as a fuel to try and improve themselves, and improve their relations with others. The leadership of Gaza did not take the high road with the resentment they seemed to experience, and so they planned an attack that may have emphasized torture, and built their tunnel systems etc.

Then again, I think maybe that there are aspects of this that escape easy social control, and this involves perhaps the bottom up influences in the societies in question. Namely, all societies seem to want to grow, and all individuals want somewhere to live. But everywhere in the world, these modes seem to have limitations that not many are willing to accept. My assumption, is that the resource of 'living space' is low in the middle-east, for whatever reason. But if both societies want to have a high birthrate, then there will be a simple quantitative conflict, more than there will be an ideological, or political one. It really might be that simple. All people like space, and all people like property. These are simply limited resources the world over

 

[Eddi]

sick, hate-fed demagoguery disgusts me.

The OP had a link to The Daily Mail

Which is renowned for hate filled demagoguery

If you don't know already:

Working Class History

stories.workingclasshistory.com

 

[icehorse]

It is the consequences of caching weapons all over Gaza then attacking Israel in the manner which they did, knowing that (a) the Netanyahu will react with utter and depraved indifference to the displacement and slaughter of inncent civilians, an indifference matched by your own.


No, it is not.

yes it is.