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Silent Hill
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Sha'irullah
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You are reminding me of my sister now. PG13 movies with no blood can get her freaked out. So I sat her down and told her to watch a Japanese guro film with me. She did not know what guro meant but afterwards our relationship ended for 2 days when she saw a scene of a girl getting her arm deep fried in fish batter.
Best days of my youth right there.
Excessive gore in most countries is viewed as humorous and not scary at all. I hold the same viewpoint because one must always remember that seeing a girl using a "butt sword" to cut a man's head off is just ******* hilarious
Aw. I like I suspenseful scary movies, but I hate those that have humans being evil to humans just for the torture/gore factor (Hostel was perhaps the worst movie I have ever seen; it still makes my skin crawl just thinking about it.) So I guess I won't be putting this on my to-watch list.
What's considered "just for the gore" factor might vary by the person to because, my sister thinks that's ALL to the Saw movies, but I personally see a bit more to it. I rewatch the first 3 (my favorites) sometimes to feel more grateful for life
Sha'irullah
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Hostel was an Eli Roth film who much like Sam Raimi creates his "horror" films for humorous effect. Constant use of gore amplifies this. If you are expecting some scary film it won't deliver but gore has its own rightful place which is usually humor. I believe the main issue is that people are expecting horror from the wrong kind of movies and Hollywood is not helping. Slash films are not horror and films often blur this line by expecting a gory and violent movie to function as a horror film. PG13 movies like Juon remain truly scary despite their lack of violence.
Now I am craving some human flesh! Muhahaha :devil:
If anyone thinks burning out someone's eye with a blowtorch is humorous, then I think that opens a whole nother suite of issues.
Alceste
Vagabond
I agree.
I personally like the first movie. I think people generally "fanboy" too much when it comes to adaptations (as well as remakes) that they refuse to objectively give something a chance when it deviates too much from the original source.
I never saw the second one.
I never saw the second one.
Erebus
Well-Known Member
Never really played the games so can't comment how the film compares to them (never liked the Resident Evil style gameplay, just can't quite gel with it) but I was a fan of the first film. Not seen the second one, but would like to.
There's no doubt that Silent Hill is a horrific film and it can be deeply uncomfortable in places, but that's one of the things I liked about it. People do horrific things to one another all the time and generally it's not something people like to think about, but Silent Hill forces you to acknowledge it. The two scenes Alceste mentioned are good examples. After what happens to Alessa we start to loathe Christabella for her role in the town's actions. I wanted her to suffer for her crimes and thought it was only just that Alessa should have her revenge... then I saw how Alessa gets even.
Doubtless there are some people who get a kick out of these scenes, but I don't think the film was made for them. It's an exploration of how foul and evil humans can be. There are plenty of films that gush over the nobility of the human spirit, but these seem insincere when put alongside films like Silent Hill that show just how twisted we can be (yes I am a misanthrope so I'm biased).
It's that rare type of horror film that genuinely makes you unsettled rather than splashes gore and breasts across the scene like it's trying to recreate the wet dream of a teenage sociopath (not that I'm against those horror films either having once been a teenage sociopath myself).
One thing I will say against it is that here in the UK at least it has a 15 certificate. There is no way on Earth it should be anything less than an 18.
There's no doubt that Silent Hill is a horrific film and it can be deeply uncomfortable in places, but that's one of the things I liked about it. People do horrific things to one another all the time and generally it's not something people like to think about, but Silent Hill forces you to acknowledge it. The two scenes Alceste mentioned are good examples. After what happens to Alessa we start to loathe Christabella for her role in the town's actions. I wanted her to suffer for her crimes and thought it was only just that Alessa should have her revenge... then I saw how Alessa gets even.
Doubtless there are some people who get a kick out of these scenes, but I don't think the film was made for them. It's an exploration of how foul and evil humans can be. There are plenty of films that gush over the nobility of the human spirit, but these seem insincere when put alongside films like Silent Hill that show just how twisted we can be (yes I am a misanthrope so I'm biased).
It's that rare type of horror film that genuinely makes you unsettled rather than splashes gore and breasts across the scene like it's trying to recreate the wet dream of a teenage sociopath (not that I'm against those horror films either having once been a teenage sociopath myself).
One thing I will say against it is that here in the UK at least it has a 15 certificate. There is no way on Earth it should be anything less than an 18.
They definitely can, but there's also the argument that if something deviates too much, then it's unrecognizable as the series whose title it wears, and fans feel lied to.
Silent Hill is NOTHING like Resident Evil. The camera is not a problem (most of the time), and you can choose whether you want the tank controls of RE, or more standard 3D controls, which is how I play.
I was a fan of RE for quite some time. Recently playing through the SH games, from a gameplay perspective, SH is MUCH better.
For me, it's only humorous if its exaggerated to the point of ridiculous, such as Mortal Kombat characters apparently having 17 skulls and 32 rib-cages if the various explosion-based fatalities are anything to go by.
Erebus
Well-Known Member
Fair enough, it's some time ago since I played either and to my young mind they seemed to play the same way. Might give silent hill 2 a go at some point though since I only played the first game.
the braindead/dead alive approach
Utterly disgusting film and made me queasy in places (mother's ear dropping off into her dinner) but also incredibly funny.
That kinda explains it, though even then, I found they contrasted quite a lot.
But Silent Hill 2 is, as stated earlier, considered one of the greatest games of all time. Do take that with a grain of salt, as certain elements of the game haven't aged perfectly, but being about halfway through, it is one of the precious few games that blends gameplay and story beautifully.
Haven't seen Braindead, but to me, it conjures up old Warner Bros. cartoons.the braindead/dead alive approach
Utterly disgusting film and made me queasy in places (mother's ear dropping off into her dinner) but also incredibly funny.
Okay, I've finished Silent Hill 2, and now realize that every single piece of praise it gets is entirely deserved. It's probably the richest game out there right now in terms of symbolism and psychological exploration. Sure the combat sucks, but it's not a combat game, and that could also play into the story.
I've also just finished watching the first half (roughly) of the first movie, just so I could have my own informed opinion on it. While watching, I was taking notes on a netbook, which mostly consists of nitpicky criticisms that could have been forgiven if... well, read on.
I've also just finished watching the first half (roughly) of the first movie, just so I could have my own informed opinion on it. While watching, I was taking notes on a netbook, which mostly consists of nitpicky criticisms that could have been forgiven if... well, read on.
Silent Hill Movie Notes
Mother character is a moron and a bad mother
Movie should have began with the mother waking up from the accident
Blatent ripping of a music track from the game shouldn't be there
THe sirens should have been the first loud noise
THe sirens blaring as she descends the stairs is good
KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE BANG SOUNDTRACK! BE "*SILENT*" HILL!!!
Wandering the catacombs taking too long... barely
TONE THE SOUNDTRACK DOWN FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS SILENT
STOP RIPPING MUSIC FROM THE GAMES! COULD YOU NOT AFFORD TO GET YAMAOKA ON BOARD??
Why do the monsters glow?
...okay
GAH!!!!! THAT'S A JARRING TONAL SHIFT!!! Appropriate song, sure, but DON'T DO THAT!!!
So far it's just a movie-game-thing that sort of remakes the story from the first game.
I must say, the camerawork is quite good.
...baba yaga? ...okay, is baba yaga Sharon's birth-mother?
...why the shift in scene away from the town itself? Shouldn't do that in a Silent Hill story, movie.
Sean Bean is in this. Great.
Okay, so there's some kind of coal fire burning under the city, letting off fumes that'll kill, and likely cause hallucinations. DON'T EVER TRY TO EXPLAIN THE WORKINGS OF SILENT HILL LIKE THAT!!!!
Oh, hi, town map.
LOL Drive around in Silent Hill. This'll be good. ^_^
The cop sure took her time.
Shut up lady, the cop is in the right, here.
Once a Silent Hill protagonist ends up in the town, he or she DOESN'T LEAVE UNTIL THE TRIAL IS OVER!
We shouldn't be following Bean's character at all.
...now to criticize the cop. Don't chit-chat with arrestees.
Neither you NOR the cop has any idea what's going on!
Great. More game rips.
...And now does the armless monster fit into the mother's psyche? And why can the cop see it, too?
I do kinda like the blue tone instead of using white from the games. Easier on the eyes.
KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE SOUNDTRACK!!
Any relevance to the mother wandering around Midwich Elementary?
What's with the judgment quotes? We already know the mother is bad.
So far, too much like the games in terms of just wandering around looking at/for stuff.
Okay, now we already know that the mother, etc. are in the Otherworld. WRONG WRONG WRONG The Otherworld is DARK, not light.
OH NO! A BIRDCAGE!!!
What is a coal fire, anyway? (Not a criticism; I honestly don't know. It's clearly different from a regular fire if it can burn nonstop for decades.
Still too noisy.
Wait, so there's THREE worlds???
Okay, the transition to the OTHER otherworld is a nice effect, but frankly a waste. It should be she opens a door and suddenly things are just like that.
So the other people are affected by the same monsters. WRONG! Silent Hill speaks to individuals!
WHY IS PYRAMID HEAD HERE!!! This is a retelling of the FIRST game! PH wasn't IN the first game!!!
I don't think hospital facemasks would work with fumes, but I'll let it slide for acting's sake.
Okay, giving the bugs a face is kind of a nice touch in the creepy factor.
Still too loud.
WAY too loud and WHY WOULND'T SHE HEAR THAT!!!
Okay, second major problem with this movie revealed: it goes way too much for spectacle rather than fear.
First one is too much noise.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE HAVE A TRAILER LINE!! "they said this place was haunted i think they were right"
Hey, it's baba yaga. And a new character.
Good job revealing that it's all occult activity before the halfway point of the movie. FAIL
My patience is being tested here. Bean's scenes are just padding in an attempt to figure out the town's secrets, which should NEVER BE REVEALED!
That's wise, keep the gibbering, unpredictable madwoman around.
Lose the knife right after it was put to use. Bad story telling.
MAN am I bored. The movie is BARELY able to keep me interested in the overall mystery.
Is this a Silent Hill movie, or just a movie with an anti-witch-burning message?
NOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DEFINED WHAT THE SIRENS ARE!!!! I'M DONE!! THAT'S IT!!! THIS IS NOT SILENT HILL!!!!!
Mother character is a moron and a bad mother
Movie should have began with the mother waking up from the accident
Blatent ripping of a music track from the game shouldn't be there
THe sirens should have been the first loud noise
THe sirens blaring as she descends the stairs is good
KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE BANG SOUNDTRACK! BE "*SILENT*" HILL!!!
Wandering the catacombs taking too long... barely
TONE THE SOUNDTRACK DOWN FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS SILENT
STOP RIPPING MUSIC FROM THE GAMES! COULD YOU NOT AFFORD TO GET YAMAOKA ON BOARD??
Why do the monsters glow?
...okay
GAH!!!!! THAT'S A JARRING TONAL SHIFT!!! Appropriate song, sure, but DON'T DO THAT!!!
So far it's just a movie-game-thing that sort of remakes the story from the first game.
I must say, the camerawork is quite good.
...baba yaga? ...okay, is baba yaga Sharon's birth-mother?
...why the shift in scene away from the town itself? Shouldn't do that in a Silent Hill story, movie.
Sean Bean is in this. Great.
Okay, so there's some kind of coal fire burning under the city, letting off fumes that'll kill, and likely cause hallucinations. DON'T EVER TRY TO EXPLAIN THE WORKINGS OF SILENT HILL LIKE THAT!!!!
Oh, hi, town map.
LOL Drive around in Silent Hill. This'll be good. ^_^
The cop sure took her time.
Shut up lady, the cop is in the right, here.
Once a Silent Hill protagonist ends up in the town, he or she DOESN'T LEAVE UNTIL THE TRIAL IS OVER!
We shouldn't be following Bean's character at all.
...now to criticize the cop. Don't chit-chat with arrestees.
Neither you NOR the cop has any idea what's going on!
Great. More game rips.
...And now does the armless monster fit into the mother's psyche? And why can the cop see it, too?
I do kinda like the blue tone instead of using white from the games. Easier on the eyes.
KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE SOUNDTRACK!!
Any relevance to the mother wandering around Midwich Elementary?
What's with the judgment quotes? We already know the mother is bad.
So far, too much like the games in terms of just wandering around looking at/for stuff.
Okay, now we already know that the mother, etc. are in the Otherworld. WRONG WRONG WRONG The Otherworld is DARK, not light.
OH NO! A BIRDCAGE!!!
What is a coal fire, anyway? (Not a criticism; I honestly don't know. It's clearly different from a regular fire if it can burn nonstop for decades.
Still too noisy.
Wait, so there's THREE worlds???
Okay, the transition to the OTHER otherworld is a nice effect, but frankly a waste. It should be she opens a door and suddenly things are just like that.
So the other people are affected by the same monsters. WRONG! Silent Hill speaks to individuals!
WHY IS PYRAMID HEAD HERE!!! This is a retelling of the FIRST game! PH wasn't IN the first game!!!
I don't think hospital facemasks would work with fumes, but I'll let it slide for acting's sake.
Okay, giving the bugs a face is kind of a nice touch in the creepy factor.
Still too loud.
WAY too loud and WHY WOULND'T SHE HEAR THAT!!!
Okay, second major problem with this movie revealed: it goes way too much for spectacle rather than fear.
First one is too much noise.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE HAVE A TRAILER LINE!! "they said this place was haunted i think they were right"
Hey, it's baba yaga. And a new character.
Good job revealing that it's all occult activity before the halfway point of the movie. FAIL
My patience is being tested here. Bean's scenes are just padding in an attempt to figure out the town's secrets, which should NEVER BE REVEALED!
That's wise, keep the gibbering, unpredictable madwoman around.
Lose the knife right after it was put to use. Bad story telling.
MAN am I bored. The movie is BARELY able to keep me interested in the overall mystery.
Is this a Silent Hill movie, or just a movie with an anti-witch-burning message?
NOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DEFINED WHAT THE SIRENS ARE!!!! I'M DONE!! THAT'S IT!!! THIS IS NOT SILENT HILL!!!!!
I did not like Silent Hill 2, I did end up watching it, and it was horrible
How so? (Though watching something like that game naturally causes something to be lost.)
