There was no reason for the people of Noah's time being concerned either. They could "repent", and prepare for what was coming, or they could go eat, drink and be merry (marrying). (Matthew 24:38).
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Since we are at the “end times” what are the revelations of Daniel 12:10?
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There was no reason for the people of Noah's time being concerned either. They could "repent", and prepare for what was coming, or they could go eat, drink and be merry (marrying). (Matthew 24:38).
Daniel12:10 refers to the "wicked" and that they would have no understanding. Revelation is about the judgment of the "wicked", who will be those "who do wrong" versus those who are "righteous", and who will all be rewarded according to what "he has done" (Revelation 22:11-12). The rewards with respect to the day of "the son man" (Matthew 24:30) are spelled out in Matthew 24:51 & Matthew 13:42 & Revelation 14:9-10 & Matthew 22:13, etc.. But as Revelation 22:11 points out, you are to continue on in your ways.
New American Standard Bible Daniel 12:10
"Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.
The word of Paul, is not the "word of God", that is the word of the false prophet, who provides the wide way to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). One is to establish every matter by the 2 or three witnesses (Matthew 18:16 & Dt 19:15), not by Paul repeating himself 3 times (2 cor 13:1).
Faithofchristian
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The book of Revelation is about those who take the mark,number of the beast. There will be those who think they are righteous that will take the mark,number of the beast.
The only way people will be able to safeguard themselves from taking the mark,number of the beast, Is knowing how the seals in Revelation plays out. That will be People's safeguard from taking the mark, number of the beast.
Faithofchristian
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As to who do you think gave Paul the inspiration to write down what he written down. "All Scripture is given by the inspiration of God" 2nd Timothy 3:16
You really believe that Christ Jesus didn't know what he was doing to chose Paul as one of the disciples. The disciples accepted Paul.
Now why would Christ Jesus and the disciples accepted Paul, if to what you say Paul is a false prophet. You sure are not making any sense at all.
Actually you have no clue or idea who the false prophet is.
The false prophet sure is not Paul. The false prophet is the Antichrist and the Antichrist is the man of sin and the man of sin, is the son of perdition and the son of perdition is the dragon and the dragon is Satan the Devil.
If you had any understanding and knowledge about the book of Revelation, which you don't.
You would find that Satan the Devil impersonating all of them,
The false Prophet
The Antichrist
The man of sin
The son of perdition
You are little confused. Paul is the false prophet, and an antichrist, as his message is antithetical to that of Yeshua. Paul is the man of sin, as he confirmed in Romans 7:6 & 25). Paul, is the son of perdition, as he is the son of hell, but put in place by "the LORD my God" (Zechariah 11:-7), along with Judas (Zechariah 11:13). As for 2 Timothy, that was written by the false prophet Paul, and he is actually speaking about the OT. and not some unwritten NT.
And no one accepted Paul, accept his associates, such as Luke, who according to Luke 1:1-3, witnessed nothing, and the unknown author of 2 Peter. As to why the actual apostles didn't out him, well they were prevented from outing the "tares" by order of Yeshua, until the end of the age (Matthew 13:29 & 29).
The only safeguard against being deceived by the beast is to be in the "book of life" (Revelation 13:8). And yes, you do think you are righteous, based simply on believing everything that Paul says. Wrong move.
Faithofchristian
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That is like asking is "Christ" wrong in choosing Judas Iscariot (Zechariah 11:13). As the right arm of God, Yeshua was here fulfill the "Law and the prophets" (Matthew 5:17). He chose Paul to fulfill part of Zechariah 4-10. Paul was the staff "Favor" (Zechariah 11:10), in order to pasture the "flock doomed to slaughter" with both Peter and Paul. As shown in the gospels, Yeshua may have chosen Peter and Judas, but it was Satan who guided them.
Skipper
Wrong is wrong,/ Make America moral again.
Yeshua in Matthew 24:38 was comparing the day of the "son of man" with the day of Noah". You may disagree with the comparison, but that would put you in the minority, and outside the teachings of Yeshua.
1) If you don't know what God is doing and why he is doing it, how can you "keep on the watch" as Jesus said?
What do we need to be 'watching for? (Matthew 24:42-44)
2) What was Jesus waiting for whilst sitting at his Father's right hand? (Psalm 110:1-2)
3) Why did humanity have to wait thousands of years for Jesus to come the first time...and now we have waited almost another 2,000 years for his return....do you know why it has taken so long? Do you know what has been accomplished in the last 2,000 years as regards "Christianity"...and why we see its fragmentation?
The Bible tells us about all these things, but if we don't know and don't want to know, then our faith is blind.
We have to know the God we worship and we have to know his son (John 17:3) because this is what leads to everlasting life.
I don't agree with 2ndPillar most of the time, but in this he is correct. There is a direct connection because Jesus made them connect.
Concerning the end times he said at Matthew 24:36-39...."Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be."
This is why we have to know what the Bible says.....Those swept away in Noah's day had a choice to save themselves or to ignore Noah's warning. In these end times, people today have the same choice....most of them will ignore the warning, just as they did back then and for all the same reasons. Think about why they didn't believe him.
Yes, you are correct. Deeje & I both agree with this (I can speak for Deeje, and she can speak for me, on Biblical topics)....Jesus himself said as much, @ John 14:30....”I won't talk with you much longer, because the ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me.”
Also, when the Devil offered Jesus “all the kingdoms of the world” in exchange for worship, Jesus didn’t deny it.
So, we agree with you, on that point.
Again, I see you dodging my question......what religious denomination do you belong to? Why will you not answer?
Why have you got it in for Paul? Who told you he was a false prophet? You have the testimony of the other apostles as to his authenticity. If it was not revealed to them, why would it be revealed it to you?
Perhaps you need to read Matthew 7:21-23....? There will be many who call Jesus their "Lord" but will not be recognized by him as ever being a disciple. You do realize that if you don't have anyone who believes what you do, that you can't be correct in your interpretation? A single person can't be a denomination all by themselves.
We have the witness of the apostles.....you need someone else more qualified?
Peter said..."Therefore, beloved ones, since you are awaiting these things, do your utmost to be found finally by him spotless and unblemished and in peace. 15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."
"17 You, therefore, beloved ones, having this advance knowledge, be on your guard so that you may not be led astray with them by the error of the lawless people and fall from your own steadfastness. 18 No, but go on growing in the undeserved kindness and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen." (2 Peter 3:14-18)
Peter calls Paul "OUR beloved brother" so he was accepted by them all. The only one who was warned about was Judas....not Paul.
Peter warns about those who are "unstable" 'twisting the scriptures to their own destruction'.......are you sure that he is not talking about you....?
Why do you have such an issue with Paul?!
If he was a false prophet, why would Peter call him, “our beloved brother”? You’re either putting a slant on issues that don’t exist ....or you misunderstand what Paul says?
In light of Peter’s comment, and the fact that God included Paul’s fourteen letters in His inspired Word, I think the issue is yours.
Skipper
Wrong is wrong,/ Make America moral again.
No, they are not connected. God is in control of the end times. People are not puppets and they made their decision not to repent. We cannot force God to change any of his plans concerning the end times.
Skipper
Wrong is wrong,/ Make America moral again.
By conducting my life within his will. I do not need to understand, just obey.
We know he will be our advocate. We do not know all the details of what he has, is and will do.
The conditions have to to be right. Time is meaningless to God. God is outside of time. A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. The same with a million or billion years. Time is a concern of man, not God.
The Bible may tell, but that does not mean that your or my interpretations is correct.
Jesus connected them. Are you saying Jesus doesn't know what he's talking about?
He said that the end times would be "just like days Noah". How do you see no connection?
God was in control of the flood too. He gave the people warning in two ways....by what they heard from Noah and by what they saw him building. They chose to ridicule him and ignore the warning. I can only imagine what they felt as they saw the water rising with nowhere to go and the door of the ark firmly shut.
Who said God will change his plans about anything? We are the ones with the choices, but we have to know what it is we are actually choosing. Ignorance is not bliss in this case. Informed choice will stop us from accepting what is false. The Jews rejected Jesus because they believed what was false from their religious leaders. We must question everything in a world ruled by a master deceiver. (1 John 5:19)
The end times have been in prophesy since the days of Israel's prophets. Daniel saw all his visions of the end times over 500 years before Jesus was born. He was told to seal up his book until then because nothing would be fully understood until the end times began.
The prophets all foresaw what was coming and why....they looked forward to its blessings, as do we. (Hebrews 11:13)
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Do you obey all of Christ's teachings or only the convenient ones? I find that so many who identify as "Christians" today, will support the corrupt politics of this world and even shed innocent human blood in a war if their leaders told them to. Jesus told us to love our enemies...not kill them. (Matthew 5:43-45)
They will support SSM as if there was no biblical injunction against it, and they will marry and divorce on their own terms, not God's. (Matthew 19:3-6; Romans 1:24-27)
They were instructed by Jesus to preach about his Kingdom in all the world....how many do you see fulfilling that commission? (Matthew 24:14)
It wasn't an option, it was a command. (Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 10:11-14) It was a 'search and rescue' mission that all were to engage in.....so where are they? MIA as far as I can see.
But we do know the details of what he has, is and will do as our High Priest and King.
Revelation 21:2-4 describes Jesus and his co-rulers bringing the rulership of God's kingdom (New Jerusalem) to this earth with the result that ..."The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
What amazing blessings mankind can look forward to when Christ rules the world and he does away with pain, mourning and sadness. All the causes of those things will be gone. How good is that?!
Remember that Jesus taught us the model prayer? (The Lord's Prayer) He said that we should "hallow" (hold sacred) God's name and pray for his Kingdom to "come" so that his will can be done "on earth as it is in heaven".
Can you tell me what God's Kingdom is...and how it "comes"? How is God's will done on earth as it is in heaven?
These are important questions answered in the scripture above..
I agree, it isn't about time per se and yet all of this was prophesied to occur at a time appointed by God in advance. As the great Omniscient One, God knows the finale' from the beginning, so he knows how long everything will take without forcing anything on humanity without due warning. (Isaiah 46:10) Whatever God purposed at the beginning, he will accomplish at the end. (Isaiah 55:11) Nothing will stand in his way and he will carry out his will no matter who opposes him.
One thing is certain....the truth exists and Jesus told us to test out those who claim to be Christians. Examine their teachings and the origins of them. Look at what they do....not just what they say. (Matthew 7:21-23)
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