Sith vs. borg

[Azakel]

I think another thing that must be established in this situation, is the Force the energy that surrounds us, and binds us, as it is in the original trilogy, or just the bacterial count in the prequels? That would also play a major role in this battle.

original trilogy. I refuse to acknowledge the whole midi-chlorian crap. I feel it was a stupid move on lucas's part and it takes a lot of the magic out of the force. As far as I'm concerned midi-chlorians never happened.

I'm sorry to disappoint you both but Midi-chlorian was an idea in Star Wars LONG before the Prequels:

"It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different; they have more midi-chlorians in their cells."
―George Lucas, establishing guidelines for the Expanded Universe in 1977

Midi-chlorians were first conceived by George Lucas as early as 1977. In this time the first Expanded Universe products were being created, including the ongoing Marvel Star Wars series and Alan Dean Foster's novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye. Lucas sat down with a member of his staff, Carol Titelman, to dictate a number of guidelines for these works, explaining various concepts of his universe. Amongst them were an explanation of midi-chlorians, which Force-sensitive beings were said to have more of in their cells. However, Lucas did not feel he had the time to introduce the concept of midi-chlorians. The idea would not appear in any Star Wars product for twenty-two years; Lucas chose 1999's Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace as the opportunity to first mention the midi-chlorians, explaining why some were sensitive to the Force while others were not, an issue that he had left unresolved since the original film Star Wars

So really he all was wanted to mention it, he just felt like he didn't know how to till Episode 1.
^_^

 

[MoonWater]

I'm sorry to disappoint you both but Midi-chlorian was an idea in Star Wars LONG before the Prequels:

"It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different; they have more midi-chlorians in their cells."
―George Lucas, establishing guidelines for the Expanded Universe in 1977

Midi-chlorians were first conceived by George Lucas as early as 1977. In this time the first Expanded Universe products were being created, including the ongoing Marvel Star Wars series and Alan Dean Foster's novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye. Lucas sat down with a member of his staff, Carol Titelman, to dictate a number of guidelines for these works, explaining various concepts of his universe. Amongst them were an explanation of midi-chlorians, which Force-sensitive beings were said to have more of in their cells. However, Lucas did not feel he had the time to introduce the concept of midi-chlorians. The idea would not appear in any Star Wars product for twenty-two years; Lucas chose 1999's Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace as the opportunity to first mention the midi-chlorians, explaining why some were sensitive to the Force while others were not, an issue that he had left unresolved since the original film Star Wars

So really he all was wanted to mention it, he just felt like he didn't know how to till Episode 1.
^_^

gah, I still refuse to acknowledge midi-chlorians. You don't need them to explain why some people are force sensitive and others aren't.

 

[methylatedghosts]

Ok, the old sith would definatelly beat the borg, with ease..

I am curious about the rule of two though..
In this case it becomes very important wich 2 sith will be in charge at the moment..
For example, Darth sidious is strong enough. He can even walk among the jedi unnoticed. He is so strong in deception and cloaking that the borg wouldn't even notice him. Put this in combination with vader for example and you got yourself a win. Put darth maul in his team though, and you added a "worthless" fighter. Don't get me wrong, maul was one of the best in fighting. But his dark side was based upon aggression and not enough on power.

However - say the Borg assimilated one of those who knew Darth Sidious was - that'd mean the borg would know.

I would suggest that due to the sheer number of Borg - their chances of assimilating one of the Sith, or even a Sith sympathiser are relatively high, and they'd be able to learn alot.

I dunno - for me it's kinda tough to call. I'm not sure if I know enough about either to make a clear decision

 

[Azakel]

gah, I still refuse to acknowledge midi-chlorians. You don't need them to explain why some people are force sensitive and others aren't.

I agree... I'm just a knowledge freak when it comes to Star Wars.

 

[BucephalusBB]

However - say the Borg assimilated one of those who knew Darth Sidious was - that'd mean the borg would know.

I would suggest that due to the sheer number of Borg - their chances of assimilating one of the Sith, or even a Sith sympathiser are relatively high, and they'd be able to learn alot.

I dunno - for me it's kinda tough to call. I'm not sure if I know enough about either to make a clear decision

Silly guy, do you really think the dark force spreads information? Only darth sidious knew about his plan, the sith work alone.
All the borg would do is assimilate useless knowledge and powers they cannot use.
In the end, it becomes the assimilation wich is worthless. And then what do the borg have?

 

[methylatedghosts]

Silly guy, do you really think the dark force spreads information? Only darth sidious knew about his plan, the sith work alone.
All the borg would do is assimilate useless knowledge and powers they cannot use.
In the end, it becomes the assimilation wich is worthless. And then what do the borg have?

To take a quote from 7-of-9: "I will adapt"

Their adaptability and shielding may (or may not) reduce or even avoid the damage from the force abilities entirely. By assimilating Sith, they'd almost be guaranteed to adapt in this way, by gaining knowledge of how it all works, no?

 

[BucephalusBB]

To take a quote from 7-of-9: "I will adapt"

Their adaptability and shielding may (or may not) reduce or even avoid the damage from the force abilities entirely. By assimilating Sith, they'd almost be guaranteed to adapt in this way, by gaining knowledge of how it all works, no?

Ok, I won't be talking about the old days, the old days had so many forcesensitive sith, I doubt there are or will be enough borg to elliminate them. It will be so hard to assimilate only one and even then the best powers the borg can work with are those of the sith. With the difference that the sith trained from birth to become the best fighters in the world. You can have their knowledge, certainly not their moves. The body of the borg cannot cope with that. By the time one borg assimilated one sith, another sith killed them both. Numbers are unimportant for sith, if one remains, that's enough for that one.

In case of the rule of two, either one of them needs only forcepush to keep him from being assimilated. Afterall, a max of 8 borg or so can attack him at the same time, that's all day practise for a sithlord. The borg walk like zombies, the sith must have even enough time to have diner, a good night sleep and a vacation before the borg made 20 meters advantages.


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[BucephalusBB]

Their adaptability and shielding may (or may not) reduce or even avoid the damage from the force abilities entirely. By assimilating Sith, they'd almost be guaranteed to adapt in this way, by gaining knowledge of how it all works, no?

The force unleashed - youtube]Check at least first minute
Check the link, at least the first minute. That is what the sith can do. This is not some uberlord, this is merely a pupil from vader, one that didn't survive as he was not strong enough as sith. You cannot "adapt" if a sithlord can take down an entire ship with the force only.

 

[Azakel]

The force unleashed - youtube]Check at least first minute
Check the link, at least the first minute. That is what the sith can do. This is not some uberlord, this is merely a pupil from vader, one that didn't survive as he was not strong enough as sith. You cannot "adapt" if a sithlord can take down an entire ship with the force only.

Star Killer was strong as a Sith. He didn't survive because his was created after the Episodes and appears in between Eps. 3 and 4(the time line Unleashed took place). There's an expansion for the game in which if you choose to kill Vader you take he's place and everythings different(like fighting and I think killing Luke).
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Sorry I went off topic.

 

[BucephalusBB]

Star Killer was strong as a Sith. He didn't survive because his was created after the Episodes and appears in between Eps. 3 and 4(the time line Unleashed took place). There's an expansion for the game in which if you choose to kill Vader you take he's place and everythings different(like fighting and I think killing Luke).
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Sorry I went off topic.

No problem.
As jedi he was strong in the force, he was however, not so strong as a sith. Relied to much on other people. Besides, he was in training for years allready and still falls in love with his pilot.

And it's nice that you got an alternative ending, I also wanted Revan to remain evil. But that's not the real story isn't it?

Don't get me wrong, he wasn't a weakling.. But he wasn't powerfull enough to be a real part of history..

 

[Panda]

We all know I would win, nothing beats a pirate panda :yes:

 

[Azakel]

No problem.
As jedi he was strong in the force, he was however, not so strong as a sith. Relied to much on other people. Besides, he was in training for years allready and still falls in love with his pilot.

And it's nice that you got an alternative ending, I also wanted Revan to remain evil. But that's not the real story isn't it?

Don't get me wrong, he wasn't a weakling.. But he wasn't powerfull enough to be a real part of history..

Agreed. Galen Marek is one of my favorite characters though. I need to get that game again. Maybe it's a good thing he was never part of the main story, whether he was Sith or Jedi, he would be able to take out the other side if he really want to. He messed up the Balance ^_^