We Never Know
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It meets the criteria of a mass shooting.
An employee seeks vengeance, targets and shoots 6 co-workers. Its a mass shooting.
Only thing I can figure is possibly because drugs are involved.
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Six dead in California home shooting, including 6-month-old baby and her mother
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It meets the criteria of a mass shooting.
An employee seeks vengeance, targets and shoots 6 co-workers. Its a mass shooting.
Only thing I can figure is possibly because drugs are involved.
We Never Know
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And it still won't be a mass shooting. When it should be IMO.
We Never Know
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Speed limits stop(mostly stop) people who obey the law from driving at high speed.
Key phrase "people who obey the law"
Father Heathen
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So they still serve a purpose even though some ignore them, right?
We Never Know
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Just like current gun laws. They still serve a purpose even though some ignore them.
All laws serve a purpose for those who follow them.
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Shadow Wolf
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Here lots of people either drive way above or way below. Neither is safe.
We Never Know
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That happens on a lot interstates/freeways in many states
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And this one is along a North/South freeway, an East/West freeway, and also going North-South major county road, and the general area it would be very easy to get away and be gone fast (especially if you know the roads well), and go North and less than hour is Fresno (crime is bad there).
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yea. So?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What were your answers to the questions?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's interesting to note the fact that, according to Statista, California alone has the most mass shootings in its borders than any other state in the entire nation.
Mass shootings in the U.S. by state 1982-2023 | Statista
I wonder why that is?
Mass shootings in the U.S. by state 1982-2023 | Statista
I wonder why that is?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Did you stop to consider the population of California? When it comes to gun deaths in general they are in 7th place from the lowest on a per capita basis. Hawaii is at the very bottom:
Gun Deaths per Capita by State 2023
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
JDMS
Academic Workhorse
I hope you're aware of how many people live in California...
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
More than two?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Intentional shootings, or just general shootings including suicides?
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
Or so begins more of the political mismatched jigsaw puzzle frustration that characterizes most of modern politics. But the leftist approach to this issue I find possibly less correct, in that unlike other issues it looks at, this one seem totally reactive to effects, as opposed to looking deeper into systematic causes. Frustratingly, the leftists do this more correctly for other issues, like homelessness for example, where they analyze housing deficiencies rather than other things that happen downstream of that.
I am not a leftist or conservative. I am a social constructionist. And I think that the misuse of the 2nd amendment is clearly, to me, the fruit of a much larger, sicker plant. It could be violence that is caused by mobs or drug overlords. Or people that do not have the psychological constitution to have guns. Or ill-trained authorities. But before that pile of errors, there is such a thing as the responsible and sovereign citizen, that does have the responsibility, to not misuse what others would.
Now it could be that the 2nd amendment right should be put on hiatus, until the more systematic issues can be solved. That might be worth a thought
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Subduction Zone
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That included suicides. But this link has the rate of mass shootings and California is below average in the rate. A big state like California is obviously going to have a higher number of shootings than a small population state like Wyoming. What counts is the rate:
Mass Shootings in California
The truth is, is that this is America. It's relatively easy to get whatever you want if you know where to look - drugs, guns, illegal sex, etc. These gang shootings, all these shootings in the cities where it's teens killing people (which is the number one cause of gun violence now in multiple cities), many of the mass shootings, are committed with illegal guns. They either buy them on the street for a few hundred bucks or they slip through the cracks because people don't pay much attention, even when this person shouldn't legally be allowed to own a gun with the laws we currently have.
An example of the latter was Cho, the Virginia Tech killer, who killed over 30 people with a couple of handguns even though he wasn't supposed to legally have them because of his obvious severe mental disturbances. And then before that, most school shootings were committed by minors who aren't legally allowed to have the weapons in the first place, or were illegally acquired and modified, like with Columbine. I don't really see what gun control could've done to stop them. Street gangs in America have fully automatic weapons like AK-47s and other illegal weaponry, nevermind the petty AR-15s.
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