Slavery and capitol punishment

[Unveiled Artist]

Something I thought of (for some weird reason).

If a prisoner is waiting for death row, should she be treated as a slave because of her crime or like a human being despite her crime?

Does one's crime justify treating someone as a slave on earth despite the final consequence of their crime?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No one should ever be treated like a slave. That's worse than death.

 

[epronovost]

In the US, forced labor is illegal unless that person is a prisonner. Some prisonner are forced to work and aren't paid to do so and it's perfectly legal.

Forced labor or "community service" as it's PC euphemism now in vogue is a legitimate form of punishment for a variety of infractions in my opinion. Of course, I would not sanction it if the work was in unsafe condition, in inhumane condition, subject to corporal punishment and for inhumane hours. A prisonner still has a right to safety and human detention conditions afterall.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In the US, forced labor is illegal unless that person is a prisonner. Some prisonner are forced to work and aren't paid to do so and it's perfectly legal.

Forced labor or "community service" as it's PC euphemism now in vogue is a legitimate form of punishment for a variety of infractions in my opinion. Of course, I would not sanction it if the work was in unsafe condition, in inhumane condition, subject to corporal punishment and for inhumane hours.

That's true.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In the US, forced labor is illegal unless that person is a prisonner. Some prisonner are forced to work and aren't paid to do so and it's perfectly legal.

Forced labor or "community service" as it's PC euphemism now in vogue is a legitimate form of punishment for a variety of infractions in my opinion. Of course, I would not sanction it if the work was in unsafe condition, in inhumane condition, subject to corporal punishment and for inhumane hours. A prisonner still has a right to safety and human detention conditions afterall.

Forced labor is different than slavery. If someone is forced to work to pay back for the hurt they caused on the city, that's fine. How they go about force can either be authoritative or inhumane.

 

[Nakosis]

Something I thought of (for some weird reason).

If a prisoner is waiting for death row, should she be treated as a slave because of her crime or like a human being despite her crime?

Does one's crime justify treating someone as a slave on earth despite the final consequence of their crime?

How are they being treated as a slave?

 

[Heyo]

Something I thought of (for some weird reason).

If a prisoner is waiting for death row, should she be treated as a slave because of her crime or like a human being despite her crime?

Does one's crime justify treating someone as a slave on earth despite the final consequence of their crime?

Nobody should be forced or even allowed to treat a fellow human like a slave. It reduces the ability for compassion and has generally negative influence on the human psyche.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How are they being treated as a slave?

It's a hypothetical that focuses on whether or not its justified to treat someone as a slave because they are on death row for the crime they committed.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Something I thought of (for some weird reason).

If a prisoner is waiting for death row, should she be treated as a slave because of her crime or like a human being despite her crime?

Does one's crime justify treating someone as a slave on earth despite the final consequence of their crime?

Setting aside the whole issue of human dignity for a moment...

Do you see any problems with creating a system where people in power have a financial incentive to put people on death row?

Any problems at all?

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

Something I thought of (for some weird reason).

If a prisoner is waiting for death row, should she be treated as a slave because of her crime or like a human being despite her crime?

Does one's crime justify treating someone as a slave on earth despite the final consequence of their crime?

Well, I don't think I am qualified enough to make that judgment. Whether they should or should not be treated as slave and/or humans depends on the righteous judgment of a justified, true judge, whether that judge is God and/or some other entity with sufficient knowledge and understanding about the prisoner in question and/or her nature. The truth is, most [if not all] of us are extremely short-sighted and ill-equipped to make such a judgment with pin-point accuracy or even sufficient, acceptable accuracy.

BUT, let's [hypothetically] assume that in the future, there comes some immeasurably, scientifically advanced, nigh-omniscient entity [someone like Dark Phoenix Jean Grey like entity] and this entity becomes a judge because she have ALL the necessary prerequisites to be a near perfect judge and immeasurably more than that as she have other complementary tools to those prerequisite [due to her advanced inherent gifts], and she decides whether to treat a prisoner of her, in her Queendom, as a slave or human being. Now, in such a scenario, I'd say it depends on the prisoner in question and/or her nature. If the prisoner is extremely, inherently evil individual with little-to-no redeeming qualities, and she committed those crimes because that is all she can and will do, because it's her nature to do such harmful things and she will continue to do so, then I won't give two hoots if our [hypothetical] judge wants to use this inherently evil prisoner as a slave for goodness. However, if this prisoner in question is not inherently, downright evil and is inherently a sensible individual who only made some mistakes due to overwhelming circumstances, emotional state at the moment when crime was committed and/or some other inner and outer pressures that impelled her to make those mistakes, and most likely won't repeat the same behavior, then I will most likely oppose the treatment of such a prisoner as a slave rather than a sensible human being who made some mistakes.

It all depends on factors like --- The prisoner in question and/or her nature, the severity of her crimes, variables that played role in making that crime happen, and other important factors.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Forced labor is different than slavery. If someone is forced to work to pay back for the hurt they caused on the city, that's fine. How they go about force can either be authoritative or inhumane.

There is literally an exemption in the 13th amendment, which banned slavery, for prisoners. Enslaving prisoners as punishment is legal in all but a few states which have repealed that exemption in their state's constitution.
I look forward to the day when slavery is actually federally illegal.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There is literally an exceptiom in the 13th amendment which banned slavery for prisoners. Enslaving prisoners as punishment is legal in all but a few states which have repealed that exemption in their state's constitution.
I look forward to the day when slavery is actually federally illegal.

Hmm. Interesting. How do they define slavery?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Hmm. Interesting. How do they define slavery?

Ownership of someone by the state or private entity (private prisons) without any constitutional rights of free persons. Involuntary servitude is also outlawed except for criminals.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Setting aside the whole issue of human dignity for a moment...

Do you see any problems with creating a system where people in power have a financial incentive to put people on death row?

Any problems at all?

Do I have a problem with putting people on death row as a financial incentive?

Yes. Not because of the finance part but the immoral issue of the government taking the life of someone else.

Not sure the connection between that and how people are treated based on their crimes. I don't agree with capitol punishment, so the incentives makes me no nevermind.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ownership of someone by the state or private entity (private prisons) without any constitutional rights of free persons. Involuntary servitude is also outlawed except for criminals.

Maybe slavery is the wrong word I'm using. More so how hurtful ways they are mistreated because of their crimes instead of just forced labor. How one treats the person doing the labor rather than the labor itself.

 

[viole]

Something I thought of (for some weird reason).

If a prisoner is waiting for death row, should she be treated as a slave because of her crime or like a human being despite her crime?

Does one's crime justify treating someone as a slave on earth despite the final consequence of their crime?

Death row? You mean in places like Iran and Uganda?

Once they have that, why should they care if they have slavery and such?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It all depends on factors like --- The prisoner in question and/or her nature, the severity of her crimes, variables that played role in making that crime happen, and other important factors.

I'm not sure about how religion and entities play a role, but it's more how prisoners are treated-for example, if an authority hits just because of her crime and her being a prisoner when the convicted did nothing wrong to receive that punishment, it would be wrong making the prisoner the victim. However, there are many people who do find it right to punish (say hit) a criminal "because" she is a criminal and that's the only reasoning they go by (others are based on it).

So, if you were convicted to prison and I was an officer, ideally, the only time I'd exercise my authority is if you got out of line. However, if you did not, and I still hit and punished you, people would justify that because you are convicted and nothing more. Does your crime justify my allowance to hit you or is there a boundary between my authority to punish you as per law but not insofar it would considered cruel and unwarranted behavior-just-because you're a convicted?

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

If you ask me, some things are worse than death. Waiting for your death in death row can be just as agonizing overall as execution itself, if not more. Maybe by making a deal of uplifting the burden of this agonizing process in death and execution itself in return of voluntary devotion to a particular good cause, is relatively a better treatment.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Do I have a problem with putting people on death row as a financial incentive?

Yes. Not because of the finance part but the immoral issue of the government taking the life of someone else.

Not sure the connection between that and how people are treated based on their crimes. I don't agree with capitol punishment, so the incentives makes me no nevermind.

Enslaving someone involves making them work involuntarily.

That work can generate profit for whoever controls the slave.

This means that whoever is in power would have a financial incentive to put people on death row.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Here we go... my point:

So, if you (the reader) were convicted to prison and I was an officer, ideally, the only time I'd exercise my authority is if you got out of line. However, if you did not, and I still hit and punished you, people would justify that because you are convicted and nothing more. Does your crime justify my allowance to hit you or is there a boundary between my authority to punish you as per law but not insofar it would considered cruel and unwarranted behavior-just-because you're a convicted?

Death row? You mean in places like Iran and Uganda?

Once they have that, why should they care if they have slavery and such?

Ciao

- viole

The question is does one's crime justify how we treat the convicted (as one would a slave) despite the legal consequence they have already for their crimes.

Whether they should care or not is irrelevant.