Slavery in the Bible: more than meets the eye?

[viole]

I believe God deals with people in the condition they are in and with the relationship He has with them. In other words there are different strokes for different folks.

Therefore, there are situations in which killing women and children, is morally acceptable? Slashing them little kids against wall, and rip pregnant women apart, is equally acceptable?

I ask, because that is what your moral giver commanded.

Ciao

- viole

 

[shunyadragon]

So He was OK with slavery before he came to us as Jesus.

And then Jesus said to love thy neighbor, and that negated the extensive writings on the codes of conduct for Hebrew slave owners in the OT?

Not sure I buy that, sorry.

Actually 'to love thy neighbor' is in the OT, but then again it depends on who you consider your neighbor.

 

[Spartan]

Ah, so that totally undoes all of the very clear Scripture condoning Slavery, and justifies the lies told by YouTube Evangelicals about how slavery was only about paying of debts?
How convenient!

Like I said, slavery in the Bible was usually one of three things:

1. Voluntary servitude as a way of existence.
2. Punishment by God on sinful men and nations for their crimes against God and humanity.
3. A sin - enslaving one's fellow man - that wasn't approved by God.

And from my studies, that's it.

So I guess you are sort of admitting that, golly, you just didn't notice LEVITICUS in your in-depth "study"?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

And oh, by the way, if God was as evil as you think, you wouldn't even be breathing. So get down on your bony knees and thank the Lord that your Christ-denying carcass isn't in the Pit.

 

[shunyadragon]

Like I said, slavery in the Bible was usually one of three things:

1. Voluntary servitude as a way of existence.
2. Punishment by God on sinful men and nations for their crimes against God and humanity.
3. A sin - enslaving one's fellow man - that wasn't approved by God.

And from my studies, that's it.

All ready cited Hebrews owned, bought and sold slaves, which you have not included in the above list.

 

[tas8831]

Like I said, slavery in the Bible was usually one of three things:

1. Voluntary servitude as a way of existence.
2. Punishment by God on sinful men and nations for their crimes against God and humanity.
3. A sin - enslaving one's fellow man - that wasn't approved by God.

And from my studies, that's it.

And I submit that you did not study much:

Leviticus 25:44
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.​

That does not describe something that is voluntary; picking slaves from non-Christians around you is not a punishment; and since these are God's laws, how can this not be God approved?

Leviticus 25:45
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.​

That does not describe something that is voluntary; picking slaves from non-Christians around you is not a punishment; and since these are God's laws, how can this not be God approved?
Buying CHILDREN as slaves? Keeping the CHILDREN of slaves?

Leviticus 25:46
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.​

That does not describe something that is voluntary; picking slaves from non-Christians around you is not a punishment; and since these are God's laws, how can this not be God approved?
Giving your slaves to your children to keep forever?

What, exactly, did you "study"???

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Really? Did you not read the verses above from Leviticus?

And if so, how on earth did you conclude that such verses indicate:

1. Voluntary servitude as a way of existence.
2. Punishment by God on sinful men and nations for their crimes against God and humanity.
3. A sin - enslaving one's fellow man - that wasn't approved by God.

In your "study", did you just ignore the obvious to reach a preconceived conclusion?

And oh, by the way, if God was as evil as you think, you wouldn't even be breathing.

I don't think your deity is evil, I don't think it ever existed.

So get down on your bony knees and thank the Lord that your Christ-denying carcass isn't in the Pit.

Why would I do something so sad and ignorance-based?

Keep up on your "studies", I'm sure you will ignore even more things.

 

[tas8831]

All ready cited Hebrews owned, bought and sold slaves, which you have not included in the above list.

He's been doing that YouTube Evangelical/Prager U/Answers in Genesis-style studyin'!

 

[tas8831]

Therefore, there are situations in which killing women and children, is morally acceptable? Slashing them little kids against wall, and rip pregnant women apart, is equally acceptable?

I ask, because that is what your moral giver commanded.

Ciao

- viole

Well, see, that was because their parents did not worship Jehovah, so slaughtering the unborn is totally OK in such circumstances...

And they want to call other people 'moral relativists'?

 

[Spartan]

And I submit that you did not study much:

Leviticus 25:44
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.​

That does not describe something that is voluntary; picking slaves from non-Christians around you is not a punishment; and since these are God's laws, how can this not be God approved?

Leviticus 25:45
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.​

That does not describe something that is voluntary; picking slaves from non-Christians around you is not a punishment; and since these are God's laws, how can this not be God approved?
Buying CHILDREN as slaves? Keeping the CHILDREN of slaves?

Leviticus 25:46
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.​

That does not describe something that is voluntary; picking slaves from non-Christians around you is not a punishment; and since these are God's laws, how can this not be God approved?
Giving your slaves to your children to keep forever?

What, exactly, did you "study"???


Really? Did you not read the verses above from Leviticus?

And if so, how on earth did you conclude that such verses indicate:

1. Voluntary servitude as a way of existence.
2. Punishment by God on sinful men and nations for their crimes against God and humanity.
3. A sin - enslaving one's fellow man - that wasn't approved by God.

In your "study", did you just ignore the obvious to reach a preconceived conclusion?


I don't think your deity is evil, I don't think it ever existed.

Why would I do something so sad and ignorance-based?

Keep up on your "studies", I'm sure you will ignore even more things.

That's stupid. You ignore what's going on in Leviticus 25. The Israelites are entering the lands of the enemies of God (Leviticus 25:2). So that's God's judgment on evil men and nations. Duh.

 

[Spartan]

All ready cited Hebrews owned, bought and sold slaves, which you have not included in the above list.

Scripture # ?

 

[Moz]

Therefore, there are situations in which killing women and children, is morally acceptable? Slashing them little kids against wall, and rip pregnant women apart, is equally acceptable?

I ask, because that is what your moral giver commanded.

Ciao

- viole

Oh my God Ten pages on and all you do is repeat the same thing.
Slashing them little kids against wall, and rip pregnant women apart,
Slashing them little kids against wall, and rip pregnant women apart,
Slashing them little kids against wall, and rip pregnant women apart,
Slashing them little kids against wall, and rip pregnant women apart,

The answer is YES.It was Bronze age tribal warfare where both sides were facing the same consequences. You have admitted 10 pages ago on this very subject that ......... I already know that morality is relative. And that things valid today, might not have been valid back then, and the other way round So?. #192........ If you already knew that ten pages ago why are you still banging on and on. Get into the geo-politics of the era and DEBATE why the Israelite's should have held to a higher standard than their enemies.Make a case that addresses the issues instead of the one dimensional track you follow. I tried for a couple of pages and i don't think you considered a single point made unless i demanded a straight answer like above. Of course straight definitive answers are not your style are they. You like the emotive gottcha kind of points that get you likes for style over substance.

 

[shunyadragon]

Scripture # ?

See post#345 by @tas8831

 

[shunyadragon]

That's stupid. You ignore what's going on in Leviticus 25. The Israelites are entering the lands of the enemies of God (Leviticus 25:2). So that's God's judgment on evil men and nations. Duh.

These are laws for slavery of foreigners, and nothing in the references draws the conclusions you make. A selective interpretation of scripture to justify your agenda just does not work. It is a matter of history that the ownership, buying and selling of foreign slaves is a part of jewish history.

 

[Spartan]

These are laws for slavery of foreigners, and nothing in the references draws the conclusions you make. A selective interpretation of scripture to justify your agenda just does not work. It is a matter of history that the ownership, buying and selling of foreign slaves is a part of jewish history.

You're incorrect. The context of Leviticus 25 is entering into the Promised Land (25:2) which has been inhabited by the evil nations of the Hittites, Girga****es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—seven nations - all whom God ordered to be judged in Deuteronomy chapter 7. So any slaves taken there are a judgment by God on evil nations. So nice try but no cigar.

 

[shunyadragon]

You're incorrect. The context of Leviticus 25 is entering into the Promised Land (25:2) which has been inhabited by the evil nations of the Hittites, Girga****es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—seven nations - all whom God ordered to be judged in Deuteronomy chapter 7. So any slaves taken there are a judgment by God on evil nations. So nice try but no cigar.

Slavery by any other word is slavery nonetheless and the law of the OT considers slavery moral, and the buying and selling of slaves by Hebrews.

No where in the OT nor the NT is slavery specifically prohibited.

 

[Spartan]

Slavery by any other word is slavery nonetheless and the law of the OT considers slavery moral, and the buying and selling of slaves by Hebrews.

The OT considers slavery on evil nations divine Judgment.

 

[shunyadragon]

The OT considers slavery on evil nations divine Judgment.

That is the problem with selectively interpreting scripture to justify your agenda.

Again . . . there is nothing in the OT nor the NT that condemns slavery, nor in the Quran, and Jews, Christians, and Muslims over the centuries owned, bought and sold slaves.

 

[Spartan]

That is the problem with selectively interpreting scripture to justify your agenda.

Again . . . there is nothing in the OT nor the NT that condemns slavery, nor in the Quran, and Jews, Christians, and Muslims over the centuries owned, bought and sold slaves.

Nonsense. Once again, from the Old and New Testaments: "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." - Leviticus 19 and Mark 12.

(and if you love your neighbor as yourself you won't enslave him)

 

[shunyadragon]

Nonsense. Once again, from the Old and New Testaments: "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." - Leviticus 19 and Mark 12.

(and if you love your neighbor as yourself you won't enslave him)

As hitory is a witness it is dependent on who you consider your neighbors, and in the history of Judaism and Christianity it is limited how they define who is their neighbor. In history Jews and Christians do not consider slaves their neighbors

That is the problem with selectively interpreting scripture to justify your agenda.

Again . . . there is nothing in the OT nor the NT that condemns slavery, nor in the Quran, and Jews, Christians, and Muslims over the centuries owned, bought and sold slaves.

 

[Spartan]

As hitory is a witness it is dependent on who you consider your neighbors, and in the history of Judaism and Christianity it is limited how they define who is their neighbor. In history Jews and Christians do not consider slaves their neighbors

That is the problem with selectively interpreting scripture to justify your agenda.

Again . . . there is nothing in the OT nor the NT that condemns slavery, nor in the Quran, and Jews, Christians, and Muslims over the centuries owned, bought and sold slaves.

I've already corrected you on this. You don't learn.

 

[shunyadragon]

I've already corrected you on this. You don't learn.

No you did not! You just cited your vain attempt to rewrite of history to justify the slavery of Hebrews to justify your religious agenda.

Your failure to respond to the facts of history is more than apparent.

Still waiting . . .