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Slay them wherever ye find them "killing the infidel"

TashaN

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The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context.


There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by those trying to malign the faith, or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics.

For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression" (2:190-193).

It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants.

Another similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context.

This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them... (as quoted above).

Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them... for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous."

Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes.

The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-8):
"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just."

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You can read more about it in details in this great thread.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23727&page=6

Post # 207.


Peace and blessing,

The Truth :)
 

TashaN

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Premium Member
You are most welcome dear, Sunstone. I'm very glad that you found it interesting and i wish that this thread would help to understand the most misconception issue about specfic verses in Quran, somthing for my beloved members in RF. :)
 

niceguy

Active Member
Out of context qoutes can surely be devestating, not only in religion. In any case, there are only one remedy to this: Education!
 

Ody

Well-Known Member
Agreed, I think i'll post this on CF if you would let me, G-d! you wouldn't believe the Islamophobia there! :(
 

TashaN

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Premium Member
Anyway, as long as a place where there is Islamophobia, so it's good to enlighten people.

Thank you dear Alan. :)
 

seed757

Member
The Truth said:
What is the CF?

"CF" is another online forum (not sure if I am allowed to say the name or not).

Alan and myself, as well as many other brothers and sisters, have been confronting islamophobia for some time now.
 

Mike182

Flaming Queer
seed757 said:
"CF" is another online forum (not sure if I am allowed to say the name or not).

Alan and myself, as well as many other brothers and sisters, have been confronting islamophobia for some time now.

you are allowed to name other forums, but you are not allowed to bash other forums:

18.) Blatant adverts will not be tolerated, neither will the blatant bashing of other boards/forums.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item
 

Peace

Quran & Sunnah
Salamu 'alaikum brother the Truth,

Great post , Jazak Allah khayran!!!
Indeed Islam is the religion of peace, tolerance and justice.

Peace
 

Mujahid Mohammed

Well-Known Member
Alhumdulilah Truth, May Allah reward you for your effort in educating those who seek the truth about Islam. The same is said for many verses with poor translations and personal interpretations. People must be careful.

Our sheihk, told of of a verse in class in Surah Hujirat 49:6 "O you who believe if a fasiq comes to you, with any news verify it lest you should harm the people in ignorance. Unfortunately the translation is wrong they say a fasiq which is an evil person. This verse is talking about one of the companions who went to the a town to collect Zakat he was a new muslim. He said the people would not pay him so the Messenger sent Khalid bin Walid and the Army to verify what the companion said. How is a companion of the messenger a evil person. The root word for fasiq is fisq which means coming out. So it is when an out comer or stranger comes to you with any news verify it lest you should harm the people in ignorance.

As you said above, the reason for the revelation and who it is addressing is very important in understanding any verse. The orientalists make many errors in their understanding of the Quran in this way.

great Job Aki Your post needs to be posted everywhere.
 

Light

Member
Great post brother,

Actually, this post should be read by all those who attack Islam by taking verses out of their context.
 

egroen

Member
Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them... for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous."
I take this to mean, 'if they convert to islam" they will be shown mercy. What is your view on this passage?

-Erin
 

TashaN

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Premium Member
egroen said:
I take this to mean, 'if they convert to islam" they will be shown mercy. What is your view on this passage?

-Erin

In context please.

Because i was expecting such a question i provided in the OP the whole thing in details in this link. Try to read all the verses releated first.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...t=23727&page=6

Post # 207.

After reading it i'll answer anything you want. Thank you. :)
 

TashaN

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Premium Member
YmirGF said:
A very well done piece The Truth, however, if you are into it, I have some observations that might be interesting to get your reactions to.

Thanks, and you are most welcome dear YmirGF anytime as you know me.

I hope that you will put every verse in it's context. :)

I would also tell people that you are not brothers and sisters, the relationship is much closer than that. You are in fact, each other. By killing another, you kill yourself. By stealing from another, you steal from yourself. By being unkind to another, you are being unkind to yourself... and so on.

No dear, it's much greater than that. If someone killed another is not as if he/she killed himself but ...

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our Messengers with Clear Signs, Yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land". (Quran 5:32)

Your are very close and there are things in your mind which exist already in Quran but you havn't read it yet and i noticed that in you a couple of times. I just hope that one day you will read the whole Quran, connect it's verses with each other to reach to a fair conclusion about it after that. :)

I am sorry The Truth, allowing one's followers the provision to defend themselves WITHOUT exainming WHY they are being attacked in the first place is ludicrous. Allowing them to fight off any aggression against them simply reinforces that they are without blame to begin with. That, I am afraid, is not realistic.

We have to put things in it's context dear YmirGF, and the law of war in islam is not only this verse but there are many huge books which deal about that in details, but this is just an example of somthing happened in the time of prophet Mohammed as a lesson to us.

Islam encourage of course reasoning but when someone attack you that doesn't mean to throw a stone to us then the whole muslims get mad and invade that particular area, No of course. By defending here we mean for example if a certain people came to our land trying to invade it we have every right to defend ourselves isn't it.

If you want to expand in this we can use verses in context to see what a defence really mean because we can't build everything in a half verse, isn't it?

Peace and blessing,

The Truth :)
 

egroen

Member
Ok, thanks... I have read the entire passage. It still reads to me that anyone whom does not accept Islam (almost reads as if this is a form of treachery?) and repent is still quite the evil-doer and deserving of death... whether from Allah or his believers. The most tolerance of non-muslims seems to come from 109.

Out of curiosity, which english translation to do you recommend (I forget what translation I have at home)? Despite knowing farsi, I have difficulty reading arabic.

-Erin
 
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