YmirGF said:
A very well done piece The Truth, however, if you are into it, I have some observations that might be interesting to get your reactions to.
Key action phrase is "until they stop their aggression" but what is not mentioned is what constitutes a ceasation of hostilities? In theory, a Muslim can react to ANY perceived threat or perceived aggression and rally against that force until that force ceases to upset them or capitulates or reverts to Islam.
Are you aware of what was going on at the time this verse was revealed.
The problem with this line of thinking is what if the act of aggression is a perceived threat and not a real threat? What if the Muslim goes off half cocked based on erroneous perception?
Ok, you obviously do not know what was going on at the time. It is not your fault you just have never done the research. But if you knew the historical facts about the ordeals the muslims went through to get to that point then you would see why. This is something you should look into. A good book is THe sealed nectar, or the splitting of the moon.
You see, the Qur'an presupposes that Muslims are acting in Gods stead, defenders of the faith, as it were. As such, it is inconceivable that any of THEIR actions could possibly give rise to aggressive repercussions.
you say the Quran presupposes that Muslims are acting in Gods Stead. The Quran which is Allah's(God) word tells them they are therefore Allah is telling them they are fighting in his path as long as they stay within the boundaries Allah has prescribed. Again if you knew the history then your questions and understanding would be different.
They are following the will of Allah and doing their duty by expanding the Ummah.
Wrong, again if you knew the history they were defending themselves at this point in history. The expansion did not come till later.
Therefore there is no possible blame to be ascribed to such people. They are God's representatives on Earth... how dare anyone brook their will... which is God's will.
You have neve read the quran. Allah chastised them for fighting in the sacred months but they repented and Allah forgave them.Also they are only correct if they behave in the manner Allah has prescribed and not trangress the boundaries Allah and his Messenger have set for them. Learn the rules of Jihad.
This is a psychological straightjacket.
No, That would be Lack of knowledge. I am not insulting you. But your lack of knowledge of the Quran and the History of Isam, and life of the Messenger is what is restraining you from understading why it is what it is
If I were a god, I would instead exort my followers to NOT pick up a weapon.
humans have free will so in the end Allah allows man to do what he wants he can either CHOOSE TO OBEY ALLAH or CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THEIR DESIRES. Allah says let people do what they do. They will have to come before me and be held accountable for what they have done. Are you using the blessings Allah has given you to worship him alone, and enjoining all that is good (praying, charity, defending the weak, freeing the slave) or are you causing corruption and mischief.
I would tell them to try to understand what led to their experience of adversity.
Again if you knew the history your question would be answered. Frist you need to know that some people are corrupt and there is no reasoning with them. Allah says in the Quran if he had not checked the people with another group surely all the churches masjids and synagogues where the name of Allah is mentioned would be destroyed. And there would be much corruption in the land. What caused their adversity. It is simple they worship none but Allah. this was there crime. This is what caused them to be tortured and killed. Oppressed and ridicules. Forced from their homes not once but twice. This is why the muslims fought the Meccans. The persecution only because they worshipped Allah. THAT WAS THERE ONLY CRIME. Would you torture and kill my mother and father in front of me because I am muslim. Would I not have the right to fight.
I would ask them to search their hearts, minds and deeds and try to pinpoint what exactly was drawing adversity to them in the first place.
I just told you what caused the adversity.
I would not tell people to beat their attackers until their attackers gave up. I would tell them that when they are facing adversity it is because of something they are doing that is drawing it to them like a moth to a flame.
I am sure the innocent women and children who have been murdered by some corrupt, immoral and indecent occupying force did something to provoke their destruction. Why are other groups allowed to pillage, rape, murder and destroy property of the innocent and muslims are not allowed to do that in jihad could it be that some people do no follow the laws Allah has given them and are just evil and need to be stopped. What would have happened if the Germans were allowed to continue. What about the Romans, and Inquisitions and any other genocide As I said earlier Allah is just building a case against the wicked, tyranical and disbelievers for they are to be held accountable. Believe me on the Day of Judgment many will be glad the man killed him especially when they see the punishment of their killer and their reward.
Adversity is designed as a safety check, if you will, as it is meant to demonstrate to individuals that it is time for them to re-examine their attitudes and beliefs. In effect, I would tell people to "take it on the lip" and LEARN from their experience, NOT respond with violent relish and glee. Allah akbar!
I agee to an extent. Adversity is the test of this life and it helps us remember Allah. so it is not just to re-examine but it is to also establish justice and tne worship of Allah in the land he created by the creatures he created by the laws and principles he created with the blessings he has given us. Ridding the world of the oppressers and bringing punishment to the wicked. But sometimes people had no choice but to fight. For example when Genghis Khan came, or the Conquistadors, or The Nazi's if they are not negotiating and are just killing as you are trying to reason with them they will be slaughtering. How long would that last.
I am sorry The Truth, allowing one's followers the provision to defend themselves WITHOUT exainming WHY they are being attacked in the first place is ludicrous.
Generally when someone defends themself it is because someone is being offensive so it is justifiable at that point. Also the muslim knew why they were being attacked. It was because he worshipped Allah. That is it. We only attack the attackers. If you hit me for no reason I have personally done nothing to you. I just worship something other than you and you hit me. I ask you why and you swing at me again. How many times do you think I will let you swing at me before I either leave or defend myself. How much examining of the situation do I really need inorder to know what is the safest response. THEY WERE KILLING THEM FOR NO REASON, THEY FORCED THEM OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND TOOK ALL THEIR POSSESSIONS.
Allowing them to fight off any aggression against them simply reinforces that they are without blame to begin with. That, I am afraid, is not realistic.
Wow If I hit you or shoot you for disagreeing with me. You are blameworthy. Very interesting
