Snowflakes....designed or accidents of nature?

[`mud]

You have Jesus... reading from Moses' writing.... coming from the blooms of mushrooms.
OH YA.....Genesis and the rest of the scriptures.... the real book of truth....BAH !
Add Saul(Paul)'s interpretations and inventive additions.....and another BAH !
~
'mud

 

[`mud]

How in the hell did all the Genesis crap come from snowflakes ?
I'm truly lost here....as usual.
OH....another frozen miracle floating in front of my eyes.
~
'mud

 

[Looncall]

Amazing macro-photography of individual snowflakes [10 Pictures]

Please take a look at these amazing photographs. Do you see design in these beautifully crafted snowflakes?

No two are alike and there is no way to appreciate them with the naked eye. There is only this very special kind of photography that allows us to see what amazing things the Creator has made, just because he can.

Blows me away.

Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That you find snowflake beautiful (as do I) tells us something about you, not about the snowflake.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Shattered glass is a random pattern, not a design that is repeated. It is repeated patterning that gives evidence of a designer who purposefully intended for the repetition to be demonstrated in each instance.

Snowfwlakes aren't designs that are repeated...They aren't even all that unique. I assume you're talking about the pretty, fully-developed, 6-sided snowflake that kids like to color in grade school. But what about the other 7 types of flakes? What about the plain-Jane rods? What about the basic hexagon, with virtually no features? Does the "Designer" just not like those snowflakes as much as the really pretty ones?

They are random in formation, based on the dust particle that their water droplet attached to and the shape of the H20 moelcule...

 

[jonathan180iq]

Humans are clearly incapable of producing what most of us desire......good health, happiness and security, living in a world with no war or conflict.

Denmark
Switzerland
Finland
Netherlands
New Zealand
Canada
Belgium
Sweden

All of these countries are consistently ranked among the world's happiest, most egalitarian, prosperous, and least religious.

 

[outhouse]

A more careful reading of the Genesis account will identify creation of the heavens and the earth as the very beginning of it all.

You mean a completely biased reading requiring massive amounts of imagination?

 

[averageJOE]

Do you know what kind of life God purposed for man in the beginning? He placed humans in a garden of pleasure and gave them the opportunity to live forever in perfect health and happiness. All he asked for was obedience to one simple command. It caused them no deprivation whatsoever to obey their Creator, but disobedience would introduce sin and death.
The life we live at present is very far removed from that because of what they did.

Man chose this life. He chose to pull away from his Creator and rule himself independently. He not only sentenced himself to death but also sentenced his children to the consequences of his choice. This is why God allows humans to do what they will. It isn't God who causes man's inhumanity....it is humans doing that to each other. Free will is the issue and free will wrongly exercised leads to what we see in every part of the world down through the centuries.

In all his history, man has tried every form of self-rule and failed....miserably. Doing his own will leads him nowhere. Doing the will of the Creator is what would have prevented the present situation but God has promised to fix all the problems on planet earth....after a very educational object lesson. Man wanted self rule so God allowed them to experience it first hand. Here we are in 2015 and what have we learned? Absolutely nothing!

God has given all an opportunity to get to know him, and to obey him as rightful sovereign, but those who only want to do their own thing (like Adam) will not get to experience the life to come....the real life. (Isa 55:11; 65:17; Rev 21:2-5)

What people forget is that God has the power over life and death. He also has the power to erase the memory of all past traumatic events so that there will be nothing to spoil the life we can look forward to......everlasting life in paradise will be given back to those who remained faithful.

When humans are done trying out all their schemes, God plans to bring his own rulership back to this earth and those who do not want his rulership will not have it forced upon them. He has already appointed his king and his assistants, so it is just a matter of time before he brings mankind to an accounting. Those who reject God's king will not get to enjoy life on their own terms any longer. Legal precedents will have been set so that no rebel, either in heaven or on earth will ever get an opportunity to oppose the Creator or his purpose again.



If God intervened in the affairs of men, the lessons would not be so compelling. Wouldn't we all then assume that self rule is not so bad if we were shielded from the full consequences of our choices? But this way we get the full impact of what rejecting the Creator's rulership means. In every area of life, obeying the laws of God would always result in peace and harmony, but divisions, based on the abuse of free will, cause dissent and dissent leads to conflict and violence. World Wars have resulted. How many millions have died at the hands of their fellow man? How many starving children would there be if all mankind shared their resources and loved one another? Put the blame where it lies.

God designed the mechanisms for snowflakes long before humans were created. He is not bored, nor is he stupid, nor is he human. He is not hampered by limited knowledge or thinking. He knows "the end from the beginning" so when humans brought sin into the world, he knew at once the best way to handle this rebellion which began in the spirit realm.

Dealing with it the way he has, settles the issues once and for all time, never to be raised again. That way, God can get on with the business of being God. There is a vast universe out there that I am sure he has wonderful plans for.

Personally, I think his handling of matters is brilliant.

 

[JayJayDee]

How in the hell did all the Genesis crap come from snowflakes ?
I'm truly lost here....as usual.

I have a suspicion that it has to do with the "creation" aspect of the thread...... Whadda ya reckon?

OH....another frozen miracle floating in front of my eyes.

I have a feeling that lots of people are blind to the many miracles that happen around them every day....unnoticed and unappreciated.

 

[JayJayDee]

Remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That you find snowflake beautiful (as do I) tells us something about you, not about the snowflake.

That is actually a very good point.

All beauty would be wasted if not for the ability to appreciate it. Can evolution explain that?
Can it explain the very human need for the arts, when there is no survival advantage in art, music theatre or literature?

I don't see animals appreciating anything that is not food, comfort or procreation related....do you?

 

[JayJayDee]

@jonathan180iq

The point was that all snowflakes exhibit patterns. They are mostly perfect symmetrical designs that appeal to the human eye. We are designed to appreciate symmetry. The fact that they are not visible to the naked eye means that the Creator also finds these patterns appealing....like the Fibonacci patterns in flowers. Perfect reflections of a creative mathematician.

Look at the original link and tell me that all those amazing works of art are just an a series of infinite accidents.
You must be blind?

 

[JayJayDee]

Denmark
Switzerland
Finland
Netherlands
New Zealand
Canada
Belgium
Sweden

All of these countries are consistently ranked among the world's happiest, most egalitarian, prosperous, and least religious.

You again miss the point.

None of these countries are crime free, poverty free or illness free. Tragedy still causes pain and suffering. No amount of lifestyle can take the sting out of those things. Part of being secure is the vulnerable members of society also being protected from the things in life that cause distress. In all those countries you cite, no one has accomplished a perfectly functioning government with good health and happiness for all, (not just the privileged few.) Ask the disadvantaged in those nations how happy 'they' are?

The measure of any nation's government is how well they take care of their most vulnerable citizens. How many people on the streets are the victims of mental illness? Most are left to their own devices.

 

[JayJayDee]

You mean a completely biased reading requiring massive amounts of imagination?

Actually it requires no more bias or imagination than belief in macro evolution. You have no more "proof" of your beliefs than I do.....you just won't admit it.

 

[JayJayDee]

@averageJOE.....sorry, your video won't play on my iPad. I'm sure it was hilarious. (2 Pet 3:2-7)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All of these countries are consistently ranked among the world's happiest, most egalitarian, prosperous, and least religious.

I didn't know Canada was one of the least religious. That makes me even more excited to go there.

Ask the disadvantaged in those nations how happy 'they' are?

On average, people in those nations are much happier than in other nations, especially the Scandinavian countries, which rate as generally the happiest, wealthiest, lowest crime rates, highest literacy and education rates, and the disadvantaged are provided far more opportunities than what just about any other country offers. The Scandinavian countries are also some of the most atheist nations on the planet. Not that there isn't anyone who falls through the cracks, but those countries are heading in the right direction.

 

[Looncall]

That is actually a very good point.

All beauty would be wasted if not for the ability to appreciated it. Can evolution explain that?
Can it explain the very human need for the arts, when there is no survival advantage in art, music theatre or literature?

I don't see animals appreciating anything that is not food, comfort or procreation related....do you?

You have obviously never lived with a Labrador retriever dog!
Why do you suppose that there is no advantage from the arts?

 

[JayJayDee]

I didn't know Canada was one of the least religious. That makes me even more excited to go there.

You'd love Australia then. We are very secular and most do not profess a religion.

On average, people in those nations are much happier than in other nations, especially the Scandinavian countries, which rate as generally the happiest, wealthiest, lowest crime rates, highest literacy and education rates, and the disadvantaged are provided far more opportunities than what just about any other country offers. The Scandinavian countries are also some of the most atheist nations on the planet. Not that there isn't anyone who falls through the cracks, but those countries are heading in the right direction.

Some nations which are producing better results than others hardly addresses the vast populations of all the other nations not on that list....most notably the richest and most powerful. How are the disadvantaged treated in those powerful and influential countries?

The divide between the rich and poor...the advantaged and disadvantaged, has never been greater. Do the disadvantaged in any nation really have a voice? If they do, who is listening? Who on earth is living the dream?

We all know it could be so much better if only there was a change in people's attitude.
Even if we were to implement the old "golden rule".....imagine the changes that we could see....but it will never happen.

 

[Looncall]

@jonathan180iq

The point was that all snowflakes exhibit patterns. They are mostly perfect symmetrical designs that appeal to the human eye. We are designed to appreciate symmetry. The fact that they are not visible to the naked eye means that the Creator also finds these patterns appealing....like the Fibonacci patterns in flowers. Perfect reflections of a creative mathematician.

Look at the original link and tell me that all those amazing works of art are just an a series of infinite accidents.
You must be blind?

Cart before horse. The symmetries are automatic results of the properties of the universe. The human mind likes symmetry for some reason. No big deal, not mystical.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Do the disadvantaged in any nation really have a voice?

In Germany it was decided that even cheap college is cost prohibitive, so they made it "free."

We all know it could be so much better if only there was a change in people's attitude.

Yup. If we all adopted models of Communism so each would be taken care of, material prosperity made obsolete, attitutes that it's all about me done away with, and having no one who contributes going without would do a lot of good for human societies.

 

[JayJayDee]

You have obviously never lived with a Labrador retriever dog!

I have been involved with dog breeding for most of my life. I don't remember a time when dogs were not part of my life.....What is special about Labs?

Why do you suppose that there is no advantage from the arts?

I didn't just say "advantage"....I said "survival advantage" which is the foundation of evolutionary "survival of the fittest". This is the premise behind evolution, is it not? How do the arts facilitate survival?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn't just say "advantage"....I said "survival advantage" which is the foundation of evolutionary "survival of the fittest". This is the premise behind evolution, is it not? How do the arts facilitate survival?

Because art is so diverse, and is a form of communication, it provides us with many survival advantages.