So apparently this happened...

[Krok]

ding ding ding ding ding ding ding Ladies and gentlemen...we have a winner!

Thank you! Actually it's very basic general knowledge. Should I try "The weakest Link"? I'd love to meet Anne Robinson. She's one of the most gorgeous persons I've ever seen on television. Ever.

 

[Man of Faith]

Because creationism is not science.

Creationism isn't science? Then how come the creation model allows for apes and humans to have 96% similar DNA? Doesn't the evolution model also allow that? So the evolution model isn't science either?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Creationism isn't science? Then how come the creation model allows for apes and humans to have 96% similar DNA? Doesn't the evolution model also allow that? So the evolution model isn't science either?

Please stop. You're going to break logic beyond the point of repair.

 

[Me Myself]

Creationism isn't science? Then how come the creation model allows for apes and humans to have 96% similar DNA? Doesn't the evolution model also allow that? So the evolution model isn't science either?

So your reasoning is that because your unfounded hipothesis takes a couple of facts from science then all the hipothesis that is still completely unfounded magicaly becomes either reality or the unmaker of actual already proven science?

Let me give you a more sensical argument:

Goblins because himalayans 1957 and the power rangers why TROZ! unless creatrionism is false

 

[shawn001]

Creationism isn't science? Then how come the creation model allows for apes and humans to have 96% similar DNA? Doesn't the evolution model also allow that? So the evolution model isn't science either?

What Creationism model? And what allows? You have "allows" because creationism is bias to start off with and that is NOT good.


We have mapped the entire human genome.

We have also figured out " apes and humans" connections, both through fossils and through moleclur DNA and the human genome.

Ken Miller Human Chromosome 2 Genome

The phases through which chromosomes replicate, divide, shuffle, and recombine are imperfect, as DNA is subject to random mutations. Mutations do not always produce harmful outcomes. In fact, many mutations are thought to be neutral, and some even give rise to beneficial traits. To corroborate Darwin's theory, scientists would need to find a valid explanation for why a chromosome pair is missing in humans that is present in apes.


[youtube]8FGYzZOZxMw[/youtube]
Ken Miller Human Chromosome 2 Genome - YouTube


Human Chromosome 2:

Since the mid-1800s, biologists have generally shared the belief that all living things descended from a single common ancestor. Based on fossil evidence and comparative anatomy, Charles Darwin proposed that humans and great apes–which include chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans–share a common ancestor that lived several million years ago. More recent research has propped up Darwin's theory of common descent (also called common ancestry): genome analysis reveals the genetic difference between humans and chimps to be less than 2 percent. In other words, humans and chimps have DNA sequences that are greater than 98 percent similar.

While the genetic similarity between human and ape strengthened Darwin's theory, a significant, unexplained discrepancy remained. While great apes all have 48 chromosomes (24 pairs), humans have only 46 (23 pairs). If humans and apes shared a common ancestor, shouldn't both have the same number of chromosomes in their cells?

The phases through which chromosomes replicate, divide, shuffle, and recombine are imperfect, as DNA is subject to random mutations. Mutations do not always produce harmful outcomes. In fact, many mutations are thought to be neutral, and some even give rise to beneficial traits. To corroborate Darwin's theory, scientists would need to find a valid explanation for why a chromosome pair is missing in humans that is present in apes.

A fundamental part of the process by which science is done involves developing a testable prediction, also known as a hypothesis. Scientists offered two possible explanations for the discrepancy: Either the common ancestor had 24 pairs, and humans carry a fused chromosome; or the ancestor had 23 pairs, and apes carry a split chromosome. Their focused research led them to find a mutation on one human chromosome that explained what had happened.

In 2005, a peer-reviewed scientific journal published results of the tests. It turns out that chromosome 2, which is unique to the human lineage of evolution, emerged as a result of the head-to-head fusion of two ancestral chromosomes that remain separate in other primates. Three genetic indicators provide strong, if not conclusive, evidence of fusion. First, the banding (or dye pattern) of human chromosome 2 closely matches that of two separate chromosomes found in apes (chimp chromosome 2 and an extra chromosome that does not match any other human chromosome). Second, a chromosome normally has one centromere, or central point at which a chromosome's two identical strands are joined. Yet remnants of a second, presumably inactive centromere can be found on human chromosome 2. And third, whereas a normal chromosome has readily identifiable, repeating DNA sequences called telomeres at both ends, chromosome 2 also has telomere sequences not only at both ends but also in the middle.


Human [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chromosome 2[/FONT]

Evolution: Library: Human Chromosome 2

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Chromosome 2[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The chromosome image below is the online version of chromosome 2 depicted on the Human Genome Landmarks poster. [/FONT]

http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/
posters/chromosome/chromo02.shtml
​

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What I demand to know is if humans have eyes, and spiders have eyes, then why can't we spin webs out of our butts? This has logically led me to conclude that evolution is nothing but a lie told to children to make them think they're little monkeys.

 

[Man of Faith]

What Creationism model? And what allows? You have "allows" because creationism is bias to start off with and that is NOT good.


We have mapped the entire human genome.

We have also figured out " apes and humans" connections, both through fossils and through moleclur DNA and the human genome.

Ken Miller Human Chromosome 2 Genome

The phases through which chromosomes replicate, divide, shuffle, and recombine are imperfect, as DNA is subject to random mutations. Mutations do not always produce harmful outcomes. In fact, many mutations are thought to be neutral, and some even give rise to beneficial traits. To corroborate Darwin's theory, scientists would need to find a valid explanation for why a chromosome pair is missing in humans that is present in apes.


[youtube]8FGYzZOZxMw[/youtube]
Ken Miller Human Chromosome 2 Genome - YouTube


Human Chromosome 2:

Since the mid-1800s, biologists have generally shared the belief that all living things descended from a single common ancestor. Based on fossil evidence and comparative anatomy, Charles Darwin proposed that humans and great apes–which include chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans–share a common ancestor that lived several million years ago. More recent research has propped up Darwin's theory of common descent (also called common ancestry): genome analysis reveals the genetic difference between humans and chimps to be less than 2 percent. In other words, humans and chimps have DNA sequences that are greater than 98 percent similar.

While the genetic similarity between human and ape strengthened Darwin's theory, a significant, unexplained discrepancy remained. While great apes all have 48 chromosomes (24 pairs), humans have only 46 (23 pairs). If humans and apes shared a common ancestor, shouldn't both have the same number of chromosomes in their cells?

The phases through which chromosomes replicate, divide, shuffle, and recombine are imperfect, as DNA is subject to random mutations. Mutations do not always produce harmful outcomes. In fact, many mutations are thought to be neutral, and some even give rise to beneficial traits. To corroborate Darwin's theory, scientists would need to find a valid explanation for why a chromosome pair is missing in humans that is present in apes.

A fundamental part of the process by which science is done involves developing a testable prediction, also known as a hypothesis. Scientists offered two possible explanations for the discrepancy: Either the common ancestor had 24 pairs, and humans carry a fused chromosome; or the ancestor had 23 pairs, and apes carry a split chromosome. Their focused research led them to find a mutation on one human chromosome that explained what had happened.

In 2005, a peer-reviewed scientific journal published results of the tests. It turns out that chromosome 2, which is unique to the human lineage of evolution, emerged as a result of the head-to-head fusion of two ancestral chromosomes that remain separate in other primates. Three genetic indicators provide strong, if not conclusive, evidence of fusion. First, the banding (or dye pattern) of human chromosome 2 closely matches that of two separate chromosomes found in apes (chimp chromosome 2 and an extra chromosome that does not match any other human chromosome). Second, a chromosome normally has one centromere, or central point at which a chromosome's two identical strands are joined. Yet remnants of a second, presumably inactive centromere can be found on human chromosome 2. And third, whereas a normal chromosome has readily identifiable, repeating DNA sequences called telomeres at both ends, chromosome 2 also has telomere sequences not only at both ends but also in the middle.


Human [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chromosome 2[/FONT]

Evolution: Library: Human Chromosome 2

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Chromosome 2[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The chromosome image below is the online version of chromosome 2 depicted on the Human Genome Landmarks poster. [/FONT]​

http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/
posters/chromosome/chromo02.shtml​

The creation model allows for all that also, so if it isn't science, then neither is the evolution model.

 

[shawn001]

The creation model allows for all that also, so if it isn't science, then neither is the evolution model.

Again, what creation model?

So your "creation model allows" for evolution from the ancestors of the great apes to modern humans? Is that what your saying?

 

[shawn001]

Again, what creation model?

So your "creation model allows" for evolution from the ancestors of the great apes to modern humans? Is that what your saying?

By the way the theory of evolution isn't a model its a scientific theory.

Creation is NOT a scientific theory.

Big difference.

 

[Me Myself]

The creation model allows for all that also, so if it isn't science, then neither is the evolution model.

I just made scientific theory that says that Zeus the all mighty created vampires and it also includes all that.

Do you see how scientific I am?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

The Flat Earth model allows for mountains to exist, so it must be as scientific as the "spherical earth" theory.

 

[Me Myself]

Me being allmighty and knowledgeable doesn´t contradict the science behind the flat Earth science, so my allmightiness and omniscience must be science too.

OMG Science is advancing so fast in this thread!

 

[Man of Faith]

Again, what creation model?

So your "creation model allows" for evolution from the ancestors of the great apes to modern humans? Is that what your saying?

The orchid model is the creation model.

The creation model allows for the same scientific data that is interpreted to show apes to man to be interpreted to not show apes to man.

 

[Man of Faith]

By the way the theory of evolution isn't a model its a scientific theory.

Creation is NOT a scientific theory.

Big difference.

That is where you are wrong. The ToE is touted as a theory but that is not true, it really is a model. It is called a theory to trick people into thinking that the evidence is stronger than it is and apparently it works.

 

[Man of Faith]

I just made scientific theory that says that Zeus the all mighty created vampires and it also includes all that.

Do you see how scientific I am?

Now all you have to do is get it in the science textbooks and not allow the other model that says that vampires evolved from gods and then you have a scientific theory and the other model isn't science at all, it's just imagination.

 

[Me Myself]

Now all you have to do is get it in the science textbooks and not allow the other model that says that vampires evolved from gods and then you have a scientific theory and the other model isn't science at all, it's just imagination.

Was that you giving up? it would be wise

 

[Man of Faith]

The Flat Earth model allows for mountains to exist, so it must be as scientific as the "spherical earth" theory.

That's probably a different forum. I saw that on the forum where they debate whether computers really work or not, or if man really landed on the moon.

 

[Me Myself]

That's probably a different forum. I saw that on the forum where they debate whether computers really work or not, or if star trek is real.

You do understand that the allegations made by us with the same lo9gic you use to say creatonism is science doesn´t work because your logic was very flawed right?

I mean just because you take something that is true and then you add some lie to it doesn´t mean the true part will cease to be real. So just because a wrong allegation, like creationism or vampires being real says "this other x part of science is true too" doesn´t mean that either creationism happen nor that vampires are real.

 

[Man of Faith]

Was that you giving up? it would be wise

By now, you should know better than that.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

That's probably a different forum. I saw that on the forum where they debate whether computers really work or not, or if man really landed on the moon.

You should visit the forum where they explain how analogies work.