So, have you heard this one?

[Wandering Monk]

That the government created hurricane Helene: False claims about Hurricane Milton's origins spread online

This is beyond the ability of anyone on earth. My prediction is that people who want to believe this idiotic notion will claim that NOAA is lying and that they are in on the conspiracy.

One can look at the energetics of a hurricane in two ways:​

​

1. the total amount of energy released by the condensation of water droplets or …
2. the amount of kinetic energy generated to maintain the strong swirling winds of the hurricane (Emanuel 1999).

It turns out that the vast majority of the heat released in the condensation process is used to cause rising motions in the thunderstorms and only a small portion drives the storm’s horizontal winds.​

​

• Method 1) – Total energy released through cloud/rain formation:An average hurricane produces 1.5 cm/day (0.6 inches/day) of rain inside a circle of radius 665 km (360 n.mi) (Gray 1981). More rain falls in the inner portion of hurricane around the eyewall, less in the outer rainbands. Converting this to a volume of rain gives 2.1 x 1016 cm3/day. A cubic cm of rain weighs 1 gm. Using the latent heat of condensation, this amount of rain produced gives5.2 x 1019 Joules/day or
  6.0 x 1014 Watts.
  This is equivalent to 200 times the world-wide electrical generating capacity – an incredible amount of energy produced!
• Method 2) – Total kinetic energy (wind energy) generated:For a mature hurricane, the amount of kinetic energy generated is equal to that being dissipated due to friction. The dissipation rate per unit area is air density times the drag coefficient times the windspeed cubed (See Emanuel 1999 for details). One could either integrate a typical wind profile over a range of radii from the hurricane’s center to the outer radius encompassing the storm, or assume an average windspeed for the inner core of the hurricane. Doing the latter and using 40 m/s (90 mph) winds on a scale of radius 60 km (40 n.mi.), one gets a wind dissipation rate (wind generation rate) of1.3 x 1017 Joules/day or
  1.5 x 1012Watts.
  This is equivalent to about half the world-wide electrical generating capacity – also an amazing amount of energy being produced!

​

 

[Pogo]

That the government created hurricane Helene: False claims about Hurricane Milton's origins spread online

This is beyond the ability of anyone on earth. My prediction is that people who want to believe this idiotic notion will claim that NOAA is lying and that they are in on the conspiracy.

One can look at the energetics of a hurricane in two ways:​

​

1. the total amount of energy released by the condensation of water droplets or …
2. the amount of kinetic energy generated to maintain the strong swirling winds of the hurricane (Emanuel 1999).

It turns out that the vast majority of the heat released in the condensation process is used to cause rising motions in the thunderstorms and only a small portion drives the storm’s horizontal winds.​

​

• Method 1) – Total energy released through cloud/rain formation:An average hurricane produces 1.5 cm/day (0.6 inches/day) of rain inside a circle of radius 665 km (360 n.mi) (Gray 1981). More rain falls in the inner portion of hurricane around the eyewall, less in the outer rainbands. Converting this to a volume of rain gives 2.1 x 1016 cm3/day. A cubic cm of rain weighs 1 gm. Using the latent heat of condensation, this amount of rain produced gives5.2 x 1019 Joules/day or
  6.0 x 1014 Watts.
  This is equivalent to 200 times the world-wide electrical generating capacity – an incredible amount of energy produced!
• Method 2) – Total kinetic energy (wind energy) generated:For a mature hurricane, the amount of kinetic energy generated is equal to that being dissipated due to friction. The dissipation rate per unit area is air density times the drag coefficient times the windspeed cubed (See Emanuel 1999 for details). One could either integrate a typical wind profile over a range of radii from the hurricane’s center to the outer radius encompassing the storm, or assume an average windspeed for the inner core of the hurricane. Doing the latter and using 40 m/s (90 mph) winds on a scale of radius 60 km (40 n.mi.), one gets a wind dissipation rate (wind generation rate) of1.3 x 1017 Joules/day or
  1.5 x 1012Watts.
  This is equivalent to about half the world-wide electrical generating capacity – also an amazing amount of energy being produced!

​

Yah but, it is just all those egg head elites with their education that are doing it and they are all Libruls and so if we are going to Make America Greate Again, we have to stop them from building a new economy using all those ideas because it seemed so much easier when everybody knew their place.

And all your numbers are fake because Kellyanne Conway told us about alternate facts and so my research found a video.

Conservatives used to be the people who believed the "experts" unquestioningly whether they were right or not, they have morphed to those who disbelieve any educated authority and follow those who promise a turnaround where they are important in understanding how the world works.

 

[We Never Know]

That the government created hurricane Helene: False claims about Hurricane Milton's origins spread online

This is beyond the ability of anyone on earth. My prediction is that people who want to believe this idiotic notion will claim that NOAA is lying and that they are in on the conspiracy.

One can look at the energetics of a hurricane in two ways:​

​

1. the total amount of energy released by the condensation of water droplets or …
2. the amount of kinetic energy generated to maintain the strong swirling winds of the hurricane (Emanuel 1999).

It turns out that the vast majority of the heat released in the condensation process is used to cause rising motions in the thunderstorms and only a small portion drives the storm’s horizontal winds.​

​

• Method 1) – Total energy released through cloud/rain formation:An average hurricane produces 1.5 cm/day (0.6 inches/day) of rain inside a circle of radius 665 km (360 n.mi) (Gray 1981). More rain falls in the inner portion of hurricane around the eyewall, less in the outer rainbands. Converting this to a volume of rain gives 2.1 x 1016 cm3/day. A cubic cm of rain weighs 1 gm. Using the latent heat of condensation, this amount of rain produced gives5.2 x 1019 Joules/day or
  6.0 x 1014 Watts.
  This is equivalent to 200 times the world-wide electrical generating capacity – an incredible amount of energy produced!
• Method 2) – Total kinetic energy (wind energy) generated:For a mature hurricane, the amount of kinetic energy generated is equal to that being dissipated due to friction. The dissipation rate per unit area is air density times the drag coefficient times the windspeed cubed (See Emanuel 1999 for details). One could either integrate a typical wind profile over a range of radii from the hurricane’s center to the outer radius encompassing the storm, or assume an average windspeed for the inner core of the hurricane. Doing the latter and using 40 m/s (90 mph) winds on a scale of radius 60 km (40 n.mi.), one gets a wind dissipation rate (wind generation rate) of1.3 x 1017 Joules/day or
  1.5 x 1012Watts.
  This is equivalent to about half the world-wide electrical generating capacity – also an amazing amount of energy being produced!

​

Interesting 2018 article from your same source, BBC

Will we ever have satellites that can control the weather?

What if a hurricane could be defused by weather-controlling satellites? Peter Ray Allison investigates why this sci-fi staple is such a tall task.

www.bbc.com

 

[Pogo]

Interesting 2018 article from your same source, BBC

Will we ever have satellites that can control the weather?

What if a hurricane could be defused by weather-controlling satellites? Peter Ray Allison investigates why this sci-fi staple is such a tall task.

www.bbc.com

Did you have a point other than posting an article that agrees with the absurdity of the premise?.

However, the problem, as with cloud seeding, is a question of scale. “We do not have the right laser and scale of lasers to do something dramatic in the atmosphere – we can create small cloud formations, but you would not see the clouds we produce,” admits Wolf. “There is a problem of scaling, such as creating a cumulous cloud, which is a kilometre long and spans over tens of kilometres. Then the question is whether it makes sense in terms of the energy you put into the system.”.
.

 

[We Never Know]

Did you have a point other than posting an article that agrees with the absurdity of the premise?.

However, the problem, as with cloud seeding, is a question of scale. “We do not have the right laser and scale of lasers to do something dramatic in the atmosphere – we can create small cloud formations, but you would not see the clouds we produce,” admits Wolf. “There is a problem of scaling, such as creating a cumulous cloud, which is a kilometre long and spans over tens of kilometres. Then the question is whether it makes sense in terms of the energy you put into the system.”.
.

Maybe you should have kept reading...this was roughly 55 years ago

"Concerns have been previously raised that controlling the weather could be used as a form of economic warfare, as well. During the Vietnam War, a top-secret project called Operation Popeye was used by the Americans to disrupt Vietnamese military supplies by increasing rainfall in the Laotian region through cloud seeding. Following the revelation, there has been an international ban against weaponising the weather under the Environmental Modification Convention."

 

[The Hammer]

That the government created hurricane Helene: False claims about Hurricane Milton's origins spread online

This is beyond the ability of anyone on earth. My prediction is that people who want to believe this idiotic notion will claim that NOAA is lying and that they are in on the conspiracy.

One can look at the energetics of a hurricane in two ways:​

​

1. the total amount of energy released by the condensation of water droplets or …
2. the amount of kinetic energy generated to maintain the strong swirling winds of the hurricane (Emanuel 1999).

It turns out that the vast majority of the heat released in the condensation process is used to cause rising motions in the thunderstorms and only a small portion drives the storm’s horizontal winds.​

​

• Method 1) – Total energy released through cloud/rain formation:An average hurricane produces 1.5 cm/day (0.6 inches/day) of rain inside a circle of radius 665 km (360 n.mi) (Gray 1981). More rain falls in the inner portion of hurricane around the eyewall, less in the outer rainbands. Converting this to a volume of rain gives 2.1 x 1016 cm3/day. A cubic cm of rain weighs 1 gm. Using the latent heat of condensation, this amount of rain produced gives5.2 x 1019 Joules/day or
  6.0 x 1014 Watts.
  This is equivalent to 200 times the world-wide electrical generating capacity – an incredible amount of energy produced!
• Method 2) – Total kinetic energy (wind energy) generated:For a mature hurricane, the amount of kinetic energy generated is equal to that being dissipated due to friction. The dissipation rate per unit area is air density times the drag coefficient times the windspeed cubed (See Emanuel 1999 for details). One could either integrate a typical wind profile over a range of radii from the hurricane’s center to the outer radius encompassing the storm, or assume an average windspeed for the inner core of the hurricane. Doing the latter and using 40 m/s (90 mph) winds on a scale of radius 60 km (40 n.mi.), one gets a wind dissipation rate (wind generation rate) of1.3 x 1017 Joules/day or
  1.5 x 1012Watts.
  This is equivalent to about half the world-wide electrical generating capacity – also an amazing amount of energy being produced!

​

Russia amplified hurricane disinformation to drive Americans apart, researchers find

New research shows Russia has worked to amplify false and misleading claims about the U.S. government's response to Hurricanes Helene and Milton as part of the Kremlin's efforts to manipulate Americans before the Nov. 5 election.

apnews.com

"The content, spread by Russian state media and networks of social media accounts and websites, criticizes the federal response to Hurricanes Helene and Milton, exploiting legitimate concerns about the recovery effort in an attempt to paint American leaders as incompetent and corrupt, according to research from the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. The London-based organization tracks disinformation and online extremism.

In some cases, the claims about the storms include fake images created using artificial intelligence, such as a photo depicting scenes of devastating flooding at Disney World that never happened, researchers say."

 

[Wandering Monk]

Maybe you should have kept reading...this was roughly 55 years ago

"Concerns have been previously raised that controlling the weather could be used as a form of economic warfare, as well. During the Vietnam War, a top-secret project called Operation Popeye was used by the Americans to disrupt Vietnamese military supplies by increasing rainfall in the Laotian region through cloud seeding. Following the revelation, there has been an international ban against weaponising the weather under the Environmental Modification Convention."

So do you have evidence that the government has the ability to produce hurricanes despite the energy requirement to do so?

 

[We Never Know]

So do you have evidence that the government has the ability to produce hurricanes?

Never claimed they could. Just posted what I thought was an interesting article.

 

[an anarchist]

Oh I’m gonna play devils advocate. I just hopped onto a conspiracy site that I trust and am watching their hurricane helene video.

Let me start by asking: If the governments didn’t have manipulate the weather, why would they sign a treaty promising they wouldn’t manipulate the weather?

The U.S. signed the “Environmental Modification Convention” (ENMOD) in 1977, which is related to weather manipulation. This treaty, officially known as the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques, was an agreement that prohibited the use of environmental modification techniques for hostile purposes. The convention was adopted by the United Nations in 1976 and entered into force in 1978.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/4783.htm

 

[We Never Know]

Oh I’m gonna play devils advocate. I just hopped onto a conspiracy site that I trust and am watching their hurricane helene video.

Let me start by asking: If the governments didn’t have manipulate the weather, why would they sign a treaty promising they wouldn’t manipulate the weather?

The U.S. signed the “Environmental Modification Convention” (ENMOD) in 1977, which is related to weather manipulation. This treaty, officially known as the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques, was an agreement that prohibited the use of environmental modification techniques for hostile purposes. The convention was adopted by the United Nations in 1976 and entered into force in 1978.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/4783.htm

See post #5. Vietnam is what brought forth that bill/treaty

 

[Pogo]

Maybe you should have kept reading...this was roughly 55 years ago

"Concerns have been previously raised that controlling the weather could be used as a form of economic warfare, as well. During the Vietnam War, a top-secret project called Operation Popeye was used by the Americans to disrupt Vietnamese military supplies by increasing rainfall in the Laotian region through cloud seeding. Following the revelation, there has been an international ban against weaponising the weather under the Environmental Modification Convention."

no, I am not ignorant of physics which is what the OP was about, We do Know.

 

[Revoltingest]

no, I am not ignorant of physics which is what the OP was about, We do Know.

I once read a post by a fundie...
"God said it. Nuff said."

Now it's....
"Trump said it. Nuff said."

 

[Pogo]

So do you have evidence that the government has the ability to produce hurricanes despite the energy requirement to do so?

Well he doesn't know and so it might be possible and so in spite of what those liberal educated people might say about hurricanes, Haitians might be eating pets too.
I fear I may be joining you in wandering some wilderness soon.

 

[We Never Know]

no, I am not ignorant of physics which is what the OP was about, We do Know.

You must live under a rock.

From 2014
Scientists think they can control weather with lasers. Development of the technology was funded by the Department of Defense.

Scientists think they can control weather with lasers

A group of researchers in Florida may have found a way to control the weather, through the use of dual lasers

www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org

From 2010.
Rain-making lasers could trigger showers on demand

Rain-making lasers could trigger showers on demand - Nature

Lasers that stimulate condensation may help to induce rain artificially.

www.nature.com

 

[Wandering Monk]

Oh I’m gonna play devils advocate. I just hopped onto a conspiracy site that I trust and am watching their hurricane helene video.

Let me start by asking: If the governments didn’t have manipulate the weather, why would they sign a treaty promising they wouldn’t manipulate the weather?

The U.S. signed the “Environmental Modification Convention” (ENMOD) in 1977, which is related to weather manipulation. This treaty, officially known as the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques, was an agreement that prohibited the use of environmental modification techniques for hostile purposes. The convention was adopted by the United Nations in 1976 and entered into force in 1978.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/4783.htm

We are talking about hurricanes here. The physics make it impossible for government to create a hurricane. BTW, that treaty is 50 years old. Are you suggesting that we had the technology 50 years ago to create hurricanes when we can't even do it today?

 

[We Never Know]

We are talking about hurricanes here. The physics make it impossible for government to create a hurricane. BTW, that treaty is 50 years old. Are you suggesting that we had the technology 50 years ago to create hurricanes when we can't even do it today?

For a hurricane to form, the key conditions are the presence of warm ocean water(we have)and moist, humid air(we can create) this combination allows for the necessary heat energy to fuel the storm's development.

 

[Secret Chief]

Yah but, it is just all those egg head elites with their education that are doing it and they are all Libruls and so if we are going to Make America Greate Again, we have to stop them from building a new economy using all those ideas because it seemed so much easier when everybody knew their place.

And all your numbers are fake because Kellyanne Conway told us about alternate facts and so my research found a video.

Conservatives used to be the people who believed the "experts" unquestioningly whether they were right or not, they have morphed to those who disbelieve any educated authority and follow those who promise a turnaround where they are important in understanding how the world works.

Exactly.

 

[Secret Chief]

Oh I’m gonna play devils advocate. I just hopped onto a conspiracy site that I trust and am watching their hurricane helene video.

Let me start by asking: If the governments didn’t have manipulate the weather, why would they sign a treaty promising they wouldn’t manipulate the weather?

The U.S. signed the “Environmental Modification Convention” (ENMOD) in 1977, which is related to weather manipulation. This treaty, officially known as the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques, was an agreement that prohibited the use of environmental modification techniques for hostile purposes. The convention was adopted by the United Nations in 1976 and entered into force in 1978.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/4783.htm

So glad you don't vote.

 

[Revoltingest]

There are degrees to which weather can be controlled.
Cutting down rainforests alters rainfall.
Buildings & pavements create "heat islands".
But steering hurricanes, as Magas claim, is a whole
different thing. They offer no evidence. But Trump's
cult laps it up because it feeds belief in him, & hatred
of the other tribe.