So Jesus is not God?

[Soapy]

So your lack of understanding equates to a trinitarian farse, how so? Not seeing a contradiction
Adam was made from the ground in God’s image and likeness but not God.
Jesus Christ is God the Son and the creator who humbled himself to become like Adam so He could redeem Adam.

See, contrary …

Jesus Christ is not ‘Creator’.

I asked earlier what ‘Father’ is defined as. ElishaElijah did not respond … because he knows that ‘Father’ means ‘Creator’, and that ‘Son’ DOES NOT!

I asked why should there a be a redeemer when there was no sin to redeem anyone from… no response.

• “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” (Galatians 3:13)

Jesus did not become ‘Christ’ until he was ANOINTED by God with God’s spirit. The very word, ‘Christ’, means ‘Anointed one’, so how was Jesus ‘Christ’ BEFORE he was anointed?

Also, the verse from Galatians shows that Jesus BECAME REDEEMER BY THE ACT OF TAKING ON SIN (becoming cursed) FOR MANKIND…. By being hung on a ‘pole’! (Some text says ‘Tree’ which I believe is more correct!)

God the Son…. Nowhere in scriptures is there any such statement… nor could there be since that would imply ANOTHER GOD who is not the Father… since we do have:

• ‘God, our Father’ and
• ‘God, the Father’

If there is a verse saying ‘God, the Son’, please share it here and now. Thanks!

But, notice that there is no mention of the trinity third person… how often is that so-called Almighty trinity God person, retired from discussions on a trinity God? The Majority of times…. Well, that’s a kick in the teeth of trinity arguments:

• ‘I and the Father are one’ (two)
• ‘I am going TO the Father’ (two)
• ‘Father,… not my way but yours’ (two)
• Stephen… in vision, saw, God seated on HIS throne, and Jesus STANDING at his right hand side’: paraphrased. (TWO!)

What happened to ‘I have come to do THEIR WILL’ or, ‘I have come to do OUR WILL’?

Ah, because the truth is that there is no three-some God who is at odds with himself about who he is…. Only Trinitarians, who cannot see the woods for threes!!, seem to not fear the very God that they claim to believe in; the God who said:

• ‘I am your ONLY GOD’

These ideologically unsound persons say, ‘No! God did not say he was only God… but he did say that… but he also said… but didn’t say… I am three ‘us and we’…. You did ask!

And, since when does ‘us’ and ‘we’ mean three persons as one thing in any scriptures…?

A committee… an Agency… a Company??

So trinity is about a Committee, agency, company, entitled, ‘GOD’, which consists of three members.

Is that corrects?

 

[ElishaElijah]

I asked earlier what ‘Father’ is defined as. ElishaElijah did not respond … because he knows that ‘Father’ means ‘Creator’, and that ‘Son’ DOES NOT!

I explained in earlier posts,
already provided the supporting Scriptures of some of the different roles the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have in the Godhead according to the Scriptures and know that illumination and revelation of God come from the Holy Spirit. So will leave you with this.

“If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬

 

[Soapy]

I explained in earlier posts,
already provided the supporting Scriptures of some of the different roles the Father, Son and Holy Spirit have in the Godhead according to the Scriptures and know that illumination and revelation of God come from the Holy Spirit. So will leave you with this.

“If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬

From the Scriptures… not from humanity:

• WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF ‘FATHER’?

• WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF ‘SON’?

 

[ElishaElijah]

From the Scriptures… not from humanity:

• WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF ‘FATHER’?

• WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF ‘SON’?

Brother we have different views and nowhere in Scripture does it say that Jesus is not God but shows He is exactly like I believe: The Word was God, the Word became flesh and dwelled among us. Many other Scriptures as well, have a good one.

 

[Soapy]

Brother we have different views and nowhere in Scripture does it say that Jesus is not God but shows He is exactly like I believe: The Word was God, the Word became flesh and dwelled among us. Many other Scriptures as well, have a good one.

I’m only asking you for the definition of the terms I gave you. This is to show that we are batting off the same wicket!

So, please, just define to me the terms:

• ‘Father’

and,

• ‘Son’

in respect of the scriptures… not of mankind (humanity).

 

[ElishaElijah]

I’m only asking you for the definition of the terms I gave you. This is to show that we are batting off the same wicket!

So, please, just define to me the terms:

• ‘Father’

and,

• ‘Son’

in respect of the scriptures… not of mankind (humanity).

Already did that and by your previous comments, you’re not the type of person I’d like to continue with because you’re reading into what I’m saying things that aren’t there. Have a nice day

 

[Soapy]

Brother we have different views and nowhere in Scripture does it say that Jesus is not God but shows He is exactly like I believe: The Word was God, the Word became flesh and dwelled among us. Many other Scriptures as well, have a good one.

Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that Jesus is not God….. BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ONE WHO THOUGHT JESUS WAS GOD…

It is TRINITARIANs of the second and third centuries calling themselves ‘Christians’ who claim that Jesus WAS GOD.

Why should there be a denial of something that is never claimed. The nearest is the verse where Jesus says that God is his Father. The verse claims that the Jews claimed Jesus was blaspheming by this. Jesus retorted that he was not claiming to be God but had merely stated that ‘God is my Father’.

Unless you are a dimwit or a outright mental retard, or a trinitarian (or all three… which is usually the way) there is no way that anyone could mistake Jesus DENYING that he called himself ‘God’. In fact Jesus then went on to state exactly why he is the son of God, saying that he was doing the works of God… and, if he wasn’t doing the works of God then do not believe him!

 

[Soapy]

Already did that and by your previous comments, you’re not the type of person I’d like to continue with because you’re reading into what I’m saying things that aren’t there. Have a nice day

Please just show me which post you defined it in.

 

[moorea944]

Who is God? Is He The Father and Creator? Yes but not just the Father. Is He the Son, Jesus Christ, Creator, Redeemer? Yes but God is not just the Son. Is He the Holy Spirit, the Breath of God, Indwelling believers, dynamite power of God? Yes
To get a complete picture and understanding of God He is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Your kidding me, right??......

 

[ElishaElijah]

Your kidding me, right??......

No, what don’t you understand?

 

[ElishaElijah]

@moorea944
This is a piece from another believer and what I believe the Bible teaches and what God has revealed to me as well:
Who is the one true God? | GotQuestions.org

 

[moorea944]

No, what don’t you understand?

Your version.....

 

[ElishaElijah]

Your version.....

Hope post #1371 clears that up.

 

[Soapy]

Your version.....

He’s too scared to answer. See, he has run away when I ask him for the definition of ‘Father’ and ‘Son’ from the scriptures because he’s realised that:

• ‘Father’, means ‘Him who creates (creator), bringer into being, and life giver.

and that:

• ‘Son’ means, ‘He who carries out the commands of the Father… he who does the works of God, led by the spirit of the Father: the spirit of God’

He now knows the truth and is so scared he can’t even respond to simple requests anymore.

Moorea944, that’s what I find with EVERY TRINITARIAN I have ever debated or tried to discuss scriptures with.

And ElishaElijah has shown that the truth frightens those who do not know, nor desire to know, the truth.

 

[Muffled]

This is an important and exciting bit of this thread.

It CLEARLY shows how deluded Trinitarians are concerning their fallacious ideology. ElishaElijah is so confused about what he thinks that he consistently expresses absolute contrary arguments.

However, I understand that every exposure of a trinity farce gives Trinitarians the opportunity to create a defence against their faux par for the next encounter….!!

And so trinity remains until Jesus Christ, Son of man, returns with his powerful angels!

I believe there is nothing false about the Trinity. I believe your belief is the false one. For every one that is confused at least they are honestly confused. I am not confused.

 

[Soapy]

I believe there is nothing false about the Trinity. I believe your belief is the false one. For every one that is confused at least they are honestly confused. I am not confused.

I fully understand that you ‘believe’ there is nothing wrong with the trinity… it shows in your naive interpretations of scriptures and your tireless adherence to a false doctrine that isn’t even a theology but only an ideology.

Trinity would be the first to deny pagan beliefs yet upholds and perpetuates pagan beliefs.

Do you believe in the Greek man-God, Hercules?

What about the Norse Man-God, Thor?

And how about the Egyptian Son of-God, Horus?

Are those abhorrent beliefs to you?

 

[Soapy]

Yahweh...Jehovah God...the Father who sent Jesus...the Creator...the One Jesus called “the only True God”...the One that King David, Moses, Abraham, Jesus, etc., worshipped....the God of the Bible...the Almighty.

Hope that’s clear enough.

No!!!

What is the meaning of the WORD, ‘God’.

Not ‘WHO’ are we to call ‘God’, as Jews and Christians.

I mean like, what is the meaning of the word ‘Ruler’, (in this case, in regard to spiritual matters)?

 

[Soapy]

No they are 'Modalists '

So, no answer, then!

 

[Soapy]

Be honest with your self . You did not arrive at your conclusion from scripture.

SCRIPTURES did not reveal to me that Trinitarians do this or do that or say this or say that …. because there were no Trinitarians before the scriptures were written!

 

[Muffled]

I fully understand that you ‘believe’ there is nothing wrong with the trinity… it shows in your naive interpretations of scriptures and your tireless adherence to a false doctrine that isn’t even a theology but only an ideology.

Trinity would be the first to deny pagan beliefs yet upholds and perpetuates pagan beliefs.

Do you believe in the Greek man-God, Hercules?

What about the Norse Man-God, Thor?

And how about the Egyptian Son of-God, Horus?

Are those abhorrent beliefs to you?

I believe it is possible the gods may have existed. The Bible intimates that they did. However there is no evidence that they did and if they did they are dead now.